***UPDATE....Calling any Winchester expert...

[300WSM]

I'm looking for someone that has extensive model 70 experience or to get contact info of someone who does.

I am looking into how to convert a model 70 super shadow into a model 70 ultimate shadow or featherweight tyoe sans the bolt itself. The ultimate, whether SS or camo and featherweight all gor the pre-64 crf bolt but the big thing is the drop floor plate!!

The super shadow is a CRPF bolt with an internal mag.

Basically the only thing I'm interested with this is the magazine area. I want to convert this to a drop floor plate like the pre-64 guns have.

I know a new stock will be required.

Trying to find out the following if.....
#1,
this conversion is even possible.
#2,
If so, what components are needed to obtain for this to work.

Thx for any and all replies, insight, etc

 

[JD338]

Pre 64 Winchester Model 70 Bottom Metal

Pre 64 Winchester Model 70 trigger guards, floor plates, and related parts

pre64win.com

JD338

 

[TexasLife]

so, it's NOT a pre64? if not, the above won't work

 

[TexasLife]

there are post64 bottom metals out there. screw spacing being the biggest deal. also 1 has 2 screws and the other uses 3. i think pt&g makes a bottom metal for the use of dbm's, but haven't found out for which model. i've been trying to find out as to convert my post64 264wm to dbm and which mag length it uses.

 

[300WSM]

so, it's NOT a pre64? if not, the above won't work

Pre 64 Winchester Model 70 Bottom Metal

Pre 64 Winchester Model 70 trigger guards, floor plates, and related parts

pre64win.com

JD338

Thanks for the response but that won't work.

This gun is a super shadow with the CRPF..
(controlled round push feed gun)

The pre64 guns are controlled round feed.

Perhaps some of the parts from the link you provided "might" work but they would only work under heavy modification if at all.

I am ok with modifications but I want to make the correct ones.

I have seen some chatter about the very conversion I am trying to do but....it's a lot of jibber jabber with no concrete A to B to C plans for completion.

 

[TexasLife]

Thanks for the response but that won't work.

This gun is a super shadow with the CRPF..
(controlled round push feed gun)

The pre64 guns are controlled round feed.

Perhaps some of the parts from the link you provided "might" work but they would only work under heavy modification if at all.

I am ok with modifications but I want to make the correct ones.

I have seen some chatter about the very conversion I am trying to do but....it's a lot of jibber jabber with no concrete A to B to C plans for completion.

kinda the reasoning i haven't ordered anything as of yet. nothing concrete!

so, what you're saying is , it's a post64 (push feed)?

i've been trying for nearly 2 years to find the correct parts and the only parts i can find are the post64 stocks and post64 triggers for my post64 264wm. hoping to find the correct bottom metal for a dbm.

 

[300WSM]

kinda the reasoning i haven't ordered anything as of yet. nothing concrete!

so, what you're saying is , it's a post64 (push feed)?

i've been trying for nearly 2 years to find the correct parts and the only parts i can find are the post64 stocks and post64 triggers for my post64 264wm. hoping to find the correct bottom metal for a dbm.

yes it is a post 64

there are two post 64 actions
a regular push feed with that ejector button...

then the controlled round push feed with the mini claw "KINDA" like the pre 64 with the huge claw but much smaller.
That is the gun I am trying to convert.

regardless....
I want to convert this to a floor plate gun.
The bolt is the bolt and I am not trying to convert the bolt to the pre 64 style...
just the floor plate.
Getting rid of the blind magazine for a drop floor plate.

Nothing concrete of this conversion as of yet that I have come across....

 

[TexasLife]

yes it is a post 64

there are two post 64 actions
a regular push feed with that ejector button...

then the controlled round push feed with the mini claw "KINDA" like the pre 64 with the huge claw but much smaller.
That is the gun I am trying to convert.

regardless....
I want to convert this to a floor plate gun.
The bolt is the bolt and I am not trying to convert the bolt to the pre 64 style...
just the floor plate.
Getting rid of the blind magazine for a drop floor plate.

Nothing concrete of this conversion as of yet that I have come across....

for awhile they stopped making the crf, but did see where they offered it again. do you know what the screw spacing is? and does it have 2 screws? from pics of the pt&g i haven't been able to find out? are you converting the stock to accept the bottom metal or just getting another?

Winchester® 70 Post-64 One Piece Custom Drop In Triggerguard / Hinged Floorplate Upgrade - Traditional - Steel & Aluminum

Winchester 70 Post 64 One Piece Drop in Hinged Floorplates available in brushed or black aluminum, blued steel, or unfinished stainless steel. Top quality floor plates at a discounted price. In stock now at Stocky's Stocks.

stockysstocks.com

something like this?^^^^^^^

 

[Guy Miner]

300 WSM - I'm a bit familiar with Winchester's CRPF rifles. For several years I owned a very accurate 300 WSM "Coyote."

Here's a link to Numrich. They show a parts diagram for the Winchester CRPF and seem to have the floorplate you need in stock:

Winchester Model 70 Post 64 Control Round Push Feed Schematic

Shop for Winchester Model 70 Post 64 Control Round Push Feed Schematics with Numrich Gun Parts.

www.gunpartscorp.com

Hope this helps, Guy

 

[TexasLife]

300 WSM - I'm a bit familiar with Winchester's CRPF rifles. For several years I owned a very accurate 300 WSM "Coyote."
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Here's a link to Numrich. They show a parts diagram for the Winchester CRPF and seem to have the floorplate you need in stock:

Winchester Model 70 Post 64 Control Round Push Feed Schematic

Shop for Winchester Model 70 Post 64 Control Round Push Feed Schematics with Numrich Gun Parts.

www.gunpartscorp.com

View attachment 24894

Hope this helps, Guy

So. It's back to 3 screws? Is the spacing the same as pre64 per action lengths?

 

[Guy Miner]

So. It's back to 3 screws? Is the spacing the same as pre64 per action lengths?

I sold the rifle a few years ago so I can't go measure it. The "Controlled Round Push Feed" wasn't made for very many years. Seems to me it was developed specifically for the Winchester Short Magnums. They worked really well and had a good reputation for being accurate rifles.

Current Winchester Model 70's are back to the old pre-64 style with the big claw extractor and controlled round feed. Very well made, but I'm not sure if they're the exact same length as the old pre-64 actions. I think so?

Guy

 

[flyingagg]

All my Winchesters M70 are the Classic Stainless model, all CRF and I am not sure how they compare to others. They are CRF.

 

[TexasLife]

Are they still built in Portugal

 

[flyingagg]

Are they still built in Portugal

Mine are in New Haven, except for one 375H&H which was S. Carolina.

 

[300WSM]

Are they still built in Portugal

All model 70's are now imported which utterly pisses me off.
My favorite bolt rifle is a USA made model 70 pre-64 action.
That action...no other weapon has an action that feels like a pre64 model 70.
The rifleman's rifle? Absolutely positively damn straight!

I have 4 300 wsm's
One is a USRAC gun...
That gun had the worst synthetic stock ever. Almost as bad as ruger synthetic. (Not the boat paddle stock which was very good. The one after that was like Mattel toys made it.
That ruger stock is the worst ever.

Anyways...

One USRAC (employed in the industry we called it YOU'S RACK) made in New Haven
model 70, pre64 action drop floor plate, that now wears a Hogue stock. Much better than the factory synthetic which was bad. Second bad to that ruger toy.


One FN made extreme weather SS fluted made in UTAH or Carolina (I'll have to look)
Pre64, ss fluted, McMillan stock, drop floor plate

One Remimgton 700 XCR II
O.D. green stock with rubber inserts,
black stainless finish. Drop floor plate

One Remington 700 SPS.
Simple black on rough black finish
drop floor plate .

Also have one model 70 ultimate shadow in 25 wssm
Pre64, drop floor plate
Synthetic stock with rubber gray inserts.

And the bastard of the bunch...
a super shadow model 70 CRPF
25 WSSM gun with a blind mag.
Post 64 CRPF gun...
Synthetic stock without rubber inserts. It's a copy of the above ultimate shadow synthetic stock minus the rubber inserts. It's just all plastic. Blind fixed magazine.

On a side note....
The fact they are imported now has given me a new #1
Weatherby!!!
Made in Wyoming...fit and finish is absolutely spot on.
Tremendous rifle!!

 

[Slimfinn]

Is this the piece you're looking for?

Winchester Model 70 1-Piece Aluminum Trigger Guard, WSSM Matte (03)

Check out the deal on Winchester Model 70 1-Piece Aluminum Trigger Guard, WSSM Matte (03) at MGW

www.midwestgunworks.com

 

[300WSM]

Is this the piece you're looking for?

Winchester Model 70 1-Piece Aluminum Trigger Guard, WSSM Matte (03)

Check out the deal on Winchester Model 70 1-Piece Aluminum Trigger Guard, WSSM Matte (03) at MGW

www.midwestgunworks.com

Well...
Thank you sir....
that's what I need
And I've seen these parts available

But..
BUT....

What i need even more is concrete information on what all is entailed to do this.
I need to know if this is plug and play provided I aquire the correct stock.

This is the conundrum. Concrete info on getting this swap to work if even possible in lieu...or rather addition to the stock needing to change.

 

[Guy Miner]

Looks like that's for the WSSM, Winchester Super Short Magnum...

 

[Bruce Mc]

What cartridge is the rifle you are wanting to convert. You'll likely need a different magazine box and a follower spring in addition to the trigger guard assembly.

 

[Slimfinn]

Okay, let me get this straight....
You have 2, m70 25wssm's 1 ultimate and 1 super. You want to make the super an ultimate (or other with a drop floor plate)
Why dont you just swap the stocks and see if it works? Use the internal parts from the super to be sure the work with the ultimate stock and bottom metal you have. If the internal box doesn't work, try with the ultimate. The screw spacing should be the same for both wssm's @ 6-3/8", not sure you could get more concrete than that.
Then you just need to search Midwest or Numrich's to find a wssm stock (and internals if needed)