Who has worked with Re16 already? What about QL??

[RiverRider]

I laid in an 8-pounder the other day thinking I'd like to see how it does in my .35 Whelen shooting 225 Accubonds. It seems as though there's just not a lot of data out there.

I'm thinking that since it is a slower burning number than Re15 is, and I'm shooting a lightly compressed load of Re15 already, I should be able to stuff the case chock full of all the Re16 I can get in there and be safe. To be safe I'd start a little lighter, though...no sense taking unnecssary chances.

I have not bought a QL update for quite some time, and I was wondering if Re16 or any of the newer IMRs are in the database yet. Can anyone verify one way or the other?

 

[kraky1]

Here you go..... this site has some pretty top-notch people....

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/thread ... 6.3905416/

 

[RiverRider]

Thanks Kraky. I think I'll definitely try it in .30-06 with 180 Partitions, but I'll think more on the 225s in .35 Whelen---unless another Whelen shooter has already figured it out. Don't wanna reinvent the wheel!

 

[Dwh7271]

The IMRs are not in the latest QL
RL16 is :grin:

 

[RiverRider]

Perfect. Thanks dwh!

 

[Dwh7271]

RR,
From QL, I don't think you can get enough in it to work....

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.585 grain H2O = 3.739 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-16

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0  103    53.05   2302    2648   33804   6587     90.2    1.422
-09.0  104    53.64   2331    2714   34963   6680     90.8    1.403
-08.0  105    54.22   2359    2781   36165   6770     91.5    1.383
-07.0  106    54.81   2388    2849   37416   6859     92.1    1.363
-06.0  107    55.40   2417    2918   38716   6945     92.7    1.342
-05.0  108    55.99   2445    2987   40068   7028     93.3    1.320
-04.0  109    56.58   2474    3058   41474   7109     93.8    1.300
-03.0  111    57.17   2503    3130   42938   7187     94.4    1.280
-02.0  112    57.76   2532    3202   44462   7262     94.9    1.260
-01.0  113    58.35   2561    3276   46051   7334     95.4    1.240
+00.0  114    58.94   2590    3351   47706   7403     95.8    1.220
+01.0  115    59.53   2619    3426   49433   7469     96.3    1.201  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  116    60.12   2648    3503   51232   7531     96.7    1.182  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  117    60.71   2677    3580   53113   7590     97.1    1.164  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  119    61.30   2706    3659   55075   7645     97.5    1.146  ! Near Maximum !
+05.0  120    61.89   2735    3738   57127   7697     97.8    1.128  ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    114    58.94   2747    3770   58272   7341     99.8    1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    114    58.94   2383    2838   38655   6960     86.8    1.348

Cartridge          : .35 Whelen
Bullet             : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.585 grain H2O = 3.739 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     61.2     3.97    2716    98.2    55127    7808   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           110.0     61.2     3.97    2716    98.2    55127    7808   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      109.6     58.8     3.81    2716    99.3    60000    7225   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         109.6     58.8     3.81    2716    99.3    60000    7225   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  110.0     61.2     3.97    2707    98.8    53793    7909   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      110.0     57.1     3.70    2703   100.0    59679    6816   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      101.8     57.0     3.69    2696   100.0    60000    6804   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       104.1     57.0     3.69    2696   100.0    60000    6804   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      103.9     53.9     3.49    2691   100.0    60000    6523   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       108.1     58.6     3.80    2688    96.8    60000    7245   1.134  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       110.0     61.8     4.00    2687    93.4    56959    7558   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.0     61.8     4.00    2687    93.4    56959    7558   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       110.0     57.1     3.70    2657    98.6    57062    7053   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.0     57.8     3.74    2656    98.6    56019    7062   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   101.8     58.0     3.76    2654    96.6    60000    6946   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        97.1     55.3     3.58    2652    99.8    60000    6598   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       96.8     55.3     3.58    2652    99.8    60000    6598   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      102.3     51.6     3.34    2643   100.0    60000    6474   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       108.9     58.6     3.80    2630    93.2    60000    6975   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    110.0     59.7     3.87    2627    95.5    51447    7444   1.191
PB Clermont PCL 511                110.0     62.2     4.03    2625    93.2    52545    7477   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         110.0     57.3     3.71    2570    92.2    55446    6827   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      110.0     57.3     3.71    2570    92.2    55446    6827   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  110.0     61.2     3.96    2559    93.7    46271    7376   1.240
Lovex S065                         110.0     57.1     3.70    2544    94.1    51980    6802   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     57.8     3.74    2540    94.2    46517    7149   1.242
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         110.0     57.8     3.74    2539    94.2    46472    7144   1.242
Accurate 4350                      110.0     58.4     3.78    2534    94.2    44999    7190   1.262
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     60.3     3.91    2528    91.4    46760    7201   1.240
Norma 204                          110.0     60.3     3.91    2525    87.9    50212    6957   1.211
Lovex S070                         110.0     57.8     3.74    2514    91.7    49027    6856   1.241
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       110.0     59.3     3.84    2492    90.0    47087    6833   1.246
Alliant Reloder-16                 110.0     56.9     3.69    2488    94.1    42179    7147   1.290
Somchem S365                       110.0     58.1     3.76    2485    96.5    41217    7168   1.300
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  110.0     62.2     4.03    2460    87.0    44294    7269   1.274
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     56.5     3.66    2444    95.2    42784    6607   1.290
Raufoss RA4                        110.0     58.4     3.78    2432    85.8    44726    6676   1.275
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          110.0     58.4     3.78    2432    85.8    44726    6676   1.275
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     58.1     3.76    2401    84.5    43114    6652   1.295
Rottweil R904                      110.0     57.6     3.73    2389    84.2    44170    6353   1.290
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     58.4     3.78    2389    84.6    41296    6688   1.318
IMR 4831                           110.0     55.9     3.62    2387    91.8    38594    6665   1.354
Somchem S361                       110.0     62.2     4.03    2384    83.2    45399    6244   1.284
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     61.6     3.99    2373    84.5    43424    6411   1.298
Alliant Reloder-26                 110.0     62.8     4.07    2366    86.3    36494    7453   1.380
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     58.4     3.78    2363    84.0    40375    6567   1.333
Norma MRP                          110.0     60.9     3.95    2349    83.2    36999    7068   1.376
Somchem S385                       110.0     59.0     3.82    2344    85.7    38395    6496   1.364
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     59.0     3.82    2313    79.8    40514    6212   1.340
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     60.0     3.89    2312    78.1    39158    6517   1.356
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     59.0     3.82    2295    78.0    38728    6392   1.364
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     59.7     3.87    2290    77.0    36073    6616   1.398
Raufoss RA15                       110.0     59.0     3.82    2286    80.4    35290    6610   1.408
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.0     59.0     3.82    2286    80.4    35290    6610   1.408
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.0     59.0     3.82    2286    80.4    35290    6610   1.408
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     62.1     4.02    2239    73.3    34653    6403   1.429
Alliant Reloder-23                 110.0     57.1     3.70    2230    87.4    31560    6538   1.467
Rottweil R905                      110.0     57.9     3.75    2221    76.7    34385    6112   1.431
Accurate 3100                      110.0     58.4     3.78    2217    84.6    31659    6205   1.481
Winchester WXR                     110.0     57.8     3.74    2212    78.2    32361    6323   1.460
Bofors RP15                        110.0     57.8     3.74    2212    78.2    32361    6323   1.460
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     63.6     4.12    2207    77.9    35784    6186   1.421
Hodgdon H4831                      110.0     56.7     3.68    2205    76.9    35354    5843   1.422
Vihtavuori N160                    110.0     56.0     3.63    2199    79.4    35475    5663   1.425
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     57.8     3.74    2184    80.8    33500    5797   1.451
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.0     59.5     3.86    2183    72.7    35158    5791   1.431
IMR 7828                           110.0     56.7     3.68    2156    73.6    32347    5915   1.471
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     62.3     4.04    2129    71.6    32653    5970   1.481
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     58.1     3.76    2129    78.5    29570    6170   1.519
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     62.3     4.04    2123    71.2    32493    5942   1.485
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     60.6     3.93    2120    71.3    33581    5645   1.471
Lovex S071                         110.0     55.2     3.58    2066    80.4    26148    5699   1.591
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     58.4     3.78    2013    68.8    25914    5654   1.626
Bofors RP30                        110.0     58.4     3.78    2013    68.8    25914    5654   1.626
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     57.8     3.74    1984    66.7    28163    5064   1.575
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     57.8     3.74    1984    66.7    28163    5064   1.575
Vihtavuori N570                    110.0     61.6     3.99    1938    57.1    25616    5198   1.647
Lovex D100                         110.0     62.8     4.07    1902    57.2    27541    4513   1.625
ADI AR 2225                        110.0     58.7     3.80    1899    63.4    23976    4948   1.702
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     58.7     3.80    1899    63.4    23976    4948   1.702
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     57.8     3.74    1888    61.3    23925    4719   1.704
Vihtavuori 24N41                   110.0     62.2     4.03    1859    52.0    26120    4348   1.663
Alliant Reloder-33                 110.0     63.3     4.10    1858    54.1    23946    4799   1.705
ADI AR 2218                        110.0     62.2     4.03    1804    47.6    24404    4150   1.712
ReloadSwiss RS 80                  110.0     63.3     4.10    1804    51.5    22950    4478   1.744
Norma 217                          110.0     57.5     3.73    1780    58.2    19960    4628   1.831
Hodgdon H870                       110.0     60.3     3.91    1763    52.4    20738    4362   1.813
Hodgdon 50BMG                      110.0     59.3     3.84    1720    45.4    21182    3871   1.812
Hodgdon US 869                     110.0     62.2     4.03    1703    46.9    20858    3826   1.832
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0     61.8     4.00    1689    46.2    18137    4185   1.901
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  110.0     59.7     3.87    1657    49.5    18636    3795   1.912
Alliant Reloder-50                 110.0     63.2     4.09    1652    45.6    18076    4034   1.920
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       110.0     59.7     3.87    1611    46.3    17776    3540   1.957
Accurate 8700                      110.0     60.9     3.95    1611    44.9    18873    3391   1.923
Vihtavuori 20N29                   110.0     62.8     4.07    1570    42.0    17581    3349   1.976
NC A3502 ,test only                110.0     57.1     3.70    1540    33.2    18591    2613   1.957
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           110.0     57.1     3.70    1511    34.7    17058    2694   2.019
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       110.0     57.1     3.70    1106    16.4    10480    1266   2.666

 

[truck driver]

I get higher velocity out of CFE223 and good accuracy to boot in my 35 Whelen/AI. I think it falls between RL16 and RL15 in the burn rate charts.

 

[RiverRider]

Thanks, Dwh.

I notice that Re15 is not showing up in that powder profile, which is disappointing. I was hoping to make a direct comparison.

Truck driver, was it you who had played with Re17 in the Whelen some time back? Or was that someone else?

 

[truck driver]

Yep I played with it but you can't get enough in a case to get the velocity out of it. so far CFE223 has been very impressive out of the 35 Whelen /AI though I haven't tried it in the standard yet I think it would work better than RL15 JMO of course but I have found IMR8208 to work well with the 200gr ABs in the 35 Whelen.
I must admit that most of my experimenting has been in the AI case which seems to impress me. If my M700 classic had a longer barrel than 22" I would have already had it rechambered to the AI version.

 

[RiverRider]

That's what I was thinking about Re17...so I never tried it. I'm not keen on 17 anyway, too much variation with temperature. I'm thinking I won't be able to get enough Re16 in the case either since I can barely get enough Re15 in the case to approach maximum pressure and velocity.

I may go ahead and try Re16 in the Whelen, but I think my best prospect is the .30-06 with 180 Partitions. It might work well in .280 with 150 Partitions also, but I'm not finished playing with Re26 in that combination as of yet. I haven't even begun to think about Re23 for the .280...there are just too many new powders out there right now!

 

[RiverRider]

The IMRs are not in the latest QL
RL16 is :grin:

Dwh, are you speaking of the latest update disc, or a new QL v3.9 installation? I've never been real sure just exactly what I've been getting as I update my original installation, which is 3.6. My last update was a 2015 update disc.

 

[SJB358]

My buddy runs RL17 in his Whelen and gets incredible speed and milder PSI than what I see with 15. It didn't look possible with QL but it works.

I'd be very interested in seeing what 16 does. 15 has always been perfect with 225-250's in my Whelen.

I might have a 350 Rem Mag to try it in as well...

 

[Dwh7271]

Dwh, are you speaking of the latest update disc, or a new QL v3.9 installation? I've never been real sure just exactly what I've been getting as I update my original installation, which is 3.6. My last update was a 2015 update disc.

Mine says 3.8 in the "about" portion.
I just updated, or received a disk, about a month ago.



And Scotty....350 Rem Mag????? Now I'm interested :grin: :grin: