Why Don't They?

[BeeTee]

Back in the early 1990s I wrote a letter to Nosler describing the terminal results from using a BT at long range on elk. The shot was an insta-kill, and I was not criticizing the bullet for a jacket separation, but Nosler's response simply stated that I shouldn't use a BT on elk.

They missed the point of my letter...

The second half of my letter included a question that went unanswered, and was the whole reason for my writing. I asked why they didn't produce a Partition with a poly tip and a swaged boat tail...

After owning a 300 mag for some 20 years by the time the first BTs arrived, I refused to shoot bullets with an exposed lead tip if I didn't have to. The tips get battered in the magazine in ways that have to spoil accuracy and further erode BC, besides looking bad. My bullets of choice all had minimal exposed lead tips (Speer Grand Slam or Remington PSPCL) till the arrival of the brilliant Nosler BT.

Why don't they? Anyone else think about battered tips?

 

[JD338]

The PT is the flagship line for Nosler and they are not going to change a proven winner.

The AB line is a very robust bullet, capable of smashing big bone and penetrating deep. If you want a poly-carbonate tip bullet that will hold together and penetrate, the AccuBond is the bullet you want.

JD338

 

[sask boy]

I would second that especially for large game like the ELK and Moose.
The AB is in good standing with a large following

Blessings,
Dan

 

[onesonek]

Back in the early 1990s I wrote a letter to Nosler describing the terminal results from using a BT at long range on elk. The shot was an insta-kill, and I was not criticizing the bullet for a jacket separation, but Nosler's response simply stated that I shouldn't use a BT on elk.

They missed the point of my letter...

Maybe, maybe not

The second half of my letter included a question that went unanswered, and was the whole reason for my writing. I asked why they didn't produce a Partition with a poly tip and a swaged boat tail...

What JD said,,,,,, I still have the belief, the NP's are still how all others are judged. Still my favorite hunting bullet of all, including the 100% weight retention types of the mono's.

After owning a 300 mag for some 20 years by the time the first BTs arrived, I refused to shoot bullets with an exposed lead tip if I didn't have to. The tips get battered in the magazine in ways that have to spoil accuracy and further erode BC, besides looking bad. My bullets of choice all had minimal exposed lead tips (Speer Grand Slam or Remington PSPCL) till the arrival of the brilliant Nosler BT.

Why don't they? Anyone else think about battered tips?

I seen some test results, and then did the test myself to see if it was true.
You can do just about anything you wish to the tip, and POI and or MOA won't change much. I bent the nose nearly to 90 degrees, and lost .1 MOA , and POI changed none.
On the other hand, put a file nick in the base,,, and the story is completely different.

High BC's sell bullets, but they aren't as important as you think,,,,,,not until way beyond normal hunting range.

 

[Guy Miner]

BeeTee - following the introduction of the Ballistic Tip, many hunters asked the same question: Why not a plastic tip Partition?

Nosler's answer was the AccuBond. A bonded version of the Ballistic Tip, engineered to emulate the performance of our much respected Partition. I'm a recent convert, and have found the AccuBond to perform very well on game and in the penetration tests to which I've subjected it. They work, very well.

Also, if you're shooting a .300 Win mag, Nosler has made The Partition for you for a long time; the 180 gr Protected Point Partition. It isn't as sleek, but the point is protected and won't deform in the magazine under recoil. That particular bullet was specifically built for the .300 Win mag, and works GREAT.

Also, the heavier Ballistic Tips have been made a LOT stronger than they were in years past. I've seen some game taken with recent B-Tips, and the bullets do very well. A buddy took all sorts of African game with a .300 mag and 180 gr Ballistic Tip bullets. He and his professional hunter both agreed that the Ballistic Tip bullets were producing quicker kills than the Partitions. Go figure.

Regards, Guy

 

[SJB358]

I just loaded up a bunch of 180gr PP PTs for my buddy headed to Wyoming for elk and deer. He is using my old Ruger 300WM I had for a long time. 75grs of RL22 is running about 2950 and MOA out to 300. I can't see anything that load won't handle up to 500. Great bullet as Guy said and tailor made for the 300. Scotty

 

[BeeTee]

I'm a huge fan of Nosler, and have been since I shot the first BT (see my user name). Nosler produces scary accurate and streamlined beauties that were then and are now technological marvels, at a price the average shooter can afford.

I appreciate the responses here, but I don't think my question has been answered. Based on what has been posted, I assume that the reason for not taking the PT to the next level is because the PT is Nosler's "legacy" bullet. It's a classic. I can appreciate that. That answer would satisfy me.

Another possible answer might be that the PT is a premium bullet that allows Nosler to meet a specific price-point with its current design. Adding features, that may or may not add value for the majority of shooters, might move the price-point beyond what many would appreciate. That answer would satisfy me as well.

Thanks,
BT

 

[Guest]

The Partition has a very thin front jacket section. I suspect it's not necessary or desirable for big game use to have it open any more rapidly, and thus the continued use of the lead tip. There are periodic questions about this and why Nosler doesn't make a bonded core Partition, and the bottom line is, I guess, they don't because it's not necessary. People buy the crap out of the Partition the way it is, and changes cost money - and tick people off. Just my thoughts.

 

[efw]

Based upon what I've seen here and in other places, they basically gave you what you wanted in the NAB, which essentially functions in the way a tipped/boat-tailed NPT would.

 

[russ808]

I don't think you can have a swaged boat tail and have a Partition at the same time. If you think about the design of the Partition it would be very hard and costly to do it, if at all.
Russ

 

[Guy Miner]

BT - I think the Very Simple Answer, is that Nosler introduced the AccuBond instead of changing the Partition.

On the other hand, you likely won't accept that.

I can accept your non acceptance! :grin:

Sorry for the puns. It's been a day.

Regards, Guy

 

[BeeTee]

BT - I think the Very Simple Answer, is that Nosler introduced the AccuBond instead of changing the Partition.

On the other hand, you likely won't accept that.

I can accept your non acceptance!

Sorry for the puns. It's been a day.

Regards, Guy

That's cool... I eventually stop beating a dead horse. :wink: Besides, I've got a couple hundred BTs on the shelf that need to get acquainted with the new Nosler brass.... BT

 

[onesonek]

That's cool... I eventually stop beating a dead horse. :wink: Besides, I've got a couple hundred BTs on the shelf that need to get acquainted with the new Nosler brass.... BT

FWIW, I did wonder the same, as why Nosler hasn't made the PT slightly more aerodynamic witha plastic tip. But as stated, the is where or how the AB came about. Besides that,,,,after looking closely at the numbers, it just don't make that much difference. Not enough that I can hold in the field anyhow.