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For those who choose to use 185gr loads for carry in the 45 ACP, what is your favorite and why. Lighter recoil or whatever. Dan.
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This was my thought concerning shorter barrel carry pistols. I have been using 230gr Federal and Speer HP in a Kimber compact stainless. Commander barrel-slide with officer grip. Me getting older, developing some arthritis, it's starting to be a handful and I'm starting to change to the 185gr bullets. Still shoot those 230's in my full size. Just don't carry it much. Re-read Ken Waters articles on the 45 ACP and he was in favor of using the 185gr. Picked some Sierra 185s the other day. Big hole. Haven't tried any jug tests but function ok. A comparison of Winchester, Sierra, Hornady and Speer 185s would be interesting to see side by side. Has anyone done this? Dan.Winchester Silvertip in 185. I've also used Rem GS 185, though I cannot remember if those were +P or not. Why? Shorter barrels produce lower velocities, which is something the 45 ACP is already not really well known for. The lighter bullets give just a bit of an edge in speed, and are more likely to perform as designed than the heavier 230s. Though, that is simply my assumption, and I have not experimented on it.
Could be the reason Police only carry factory ammo. I don't carry reload for self-defense for that same reason.I carry factory loaded Remington 230 grain JHP ammo .
I seem to remember reading that reloaded ammo could be a bad thing if you were to shoot someone . the attorneys could say that factory ammo wasn't good enough for you , that you had to make your own more deadly ammo . does anybody know if this is true ?
They can say anything they want. Claims are easy, getting a jury to believe a claim is another matter. Where that might be an argument that would resonate, is if you loaded up, say, above book maximum. I cold see a jury in that case accepting that you wanted to kill someone. Of course, there are all manner of things that a prosecutor can claim; for a good example of that, do some reading on Harold Fish; here is one link to get you started: https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=4266I carry factory loaded Remington 230 grain JHP ammo .
I seem to remember reading that reloaded ammo could be a bad thing if you were to shoot someone . the attorneys could say that factory ammo wasn't good enough for you , that you had to make your own more deadly ammo . does anybody know if this is true ?
Just for the record Atlanta arms loads Starline brass with 185gr Nosler JHPs for the military pistol teams and it is available for civilian purchase. It is a stiff load that is very accurate. There are several companies that use other manufacture's bullets in factory loads.I didn't mention anything about reloads. The Serria load I was referring to is their factory load using their 185gr bullet. I've heard pro and con on using reloads for self-defense. Could go either way depending on the prosecutor and jury. Had a law enforcement office once tell me that they couldn't recognize what load was used in a shooting. After describing the brass markings, it was Starline. Therefore, a reload. I personally have been carrying factory loads. Dan.
I was told the same when I took my CPL class. It was also mentioned that a jury could use it against you but the instructor was unaware of this ever happening in MI.I carry factory loaded Remington 230 grain JHP ammo .
I seem to remember reading that reloaded ammo could be a bad thing if you were to shoot someone . the attorneys could say that factory ammo wasn't good enough for you , that you had to make your own more deadly ammo . does anybody know if this is true ?
Not positive but believe this was pre-Atlanta Arms loads. I agree with you, just passing on what was told to me. Appreciate your impute. Dan.Just for the record Atlanta arms loads Starline brass with 185gr Nosler JHPs for the military pistol teams and it is available for civilian purchase. It is a stiff load that is very accurate. There are several companies that use other manufacture's bullets in factory loads.
Zero loads used brass that is returned by police departments to get reduced prices on ammo or they at least did
when the 38spl was carried.
Once fired factory brass is easy to trace where reloaded range brass has markings from all guns it has been fired in so trying to pick out which gun fired the brass is almost impossible.
I was told the same when I took my CPL class. It was also mentioned that a jury could use it against you but the instructor was unaware of this ever happening in MI.
To simplify this, I have always carried factory LE loads.
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