nvbroncrider
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2011
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Need some info on this 180 and 200 running in a modern action. Thanks.
QL 8X57 Mauser
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DrMike
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- Nov 8, 2006
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Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 180, Nosler BalTip 32180
Useable Case Capaci: 57.122 grain H2O = 3.709 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55600 psi, or 383 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 103.9 57.4 3.72 2931 99.8 55600 8168 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 108.4 57.1 3.70 2880 98.7 55600 7914 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 108.8 59.2 3.83 2880 97.1 55600 8108 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 108.6 56.6 3.67 2878 98.7 55600 7907 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 105.4 56.7 3.67 2876 98.5 55600 7997 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 102.9 57.3 3.71 2873 96.2 55600 8048 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 102.9 57.3 3.71 2873 96.2 55600 8048 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 100.5 53.5 3.47 2836 99.9 55600 7418 1.227 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 107.0 58.2 3.77 2825 93.5 55600 7829 1.203 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 99.5 53.5 3.47 2818 98.2 55600 7537 1.224 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 100.5 51.7 3.35 2813 100.0 55600 6933 1.250 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 93.1 51.7 3.35 2809 100.0 55600 6931 1.233 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 56.0 3.63 2807 99.5 52984 7298 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 94.6 48.7 3.16 2792 100.0 55600 6643 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 100.7 53.8 3.48 2771 95.3 55600 7354 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 57.9 3.75 2767 92.4 50403 7857 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 61.1 3.96 2762 92.7 53635 7534 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 55.5 3.59 2755 97.7 48689 7552 1.280 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 58.6 3.79 2692 88.5 49360 7428 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Code:
Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54374
Useable Case Capaci: 54.846 grain H2O = 3.561 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55600 psi, or 383 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 102.6 54.4 3.52 2772 100.0 55600 7773 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 102.6 54.4 3.52 2772 100.0 55600 7773 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 107.4 56.1 3.63 2726 97.9 55600 7804 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 106.8 54.0 3.50 2720 99.3 55600 7564 1.277 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 107.1 53.6 3.47 2719 99.2 55600 7565 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 101.5 54.3 3.52 2718 97.2 55600 7744 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 101.5 54.3 3.52 2718 97.2 55600 7744 1.262 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 103.9 53.7 3.48 2717 99.1 55600 7659 1.271 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 53.8 3.49 2686 99.9 55585 6990 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 105.7 55.2 3.58 2677 94.8 55600 7581 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 99.0 50.6 3.28 2675 100.0 55600 7043 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 110.0 58.0 3.76 2667 95.0 48153 8289 1.326 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 98.1 50.7 3.28 2662 98.9 55600 7214 1.287 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 55.6 3.60 2660 94.4 52642 7716 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 109.7 58.5 3.79 2649 94.5 55600 7381 1.267 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 98.9 48.9 3.17 2647 100.0 55600 6559 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 91.7 48.9 3.17 2645 100.0 55600 6560 1.298 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 53.3 3.45 2642 98.8 51323 7308 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 93.0 46.0 2.98 2623 100.0 55600 6280 1.325 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 57.1 3.70 2622 90.8 50062 7841 1.313 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 99.4 50.9 3.30 2621 96.3 55600 7085 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 56.2 3.64 2590 90.8 51517 7338 1.309 ! Near Maximum !Rigbymauser
Handloader
- Nov 3, 2012
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I have shot a reloaded a lot for the 8x57. A 23" barrel would do just fine for a 200grain bullet to reach 2650 ft/sec. One might benefit with a longer barrel but it won´t be much since the 8x57 uses medium fast/slow burning powders.
I see the QL suggest a 58 grain Norma MRP powder. I don´t see how that would ever get stuffed into the case?. That powder is no good for that caliber. It won´t work well enough to ever be considered. I can barely get 53grain N150 without compress very hard using Norma or RWS cases. I once tried 56grain N160 and a bullet seated way out to barely be in the brass, and already velocity dropped so much(2394 ft/sec) that I couldn´t see if I had a hotloaded .30-30 or a whimpy .308whimpy.
If one wants to get the best out of a 8x57 Vithavouri N150, 550 or Norma URP(or similar American powder) is the only way to go.
I see the QL suggest a 58 grain Norma MRP powder. I don´t see how that would ever get stuffed into the case?. That powder is no good for that caliber. It won´t work well enough to ever be considered. I can barely get 53grain N150 without compress very hard using Norma or RWS cases. I once tried 56grain N160 and a bullet seated way out to barely be in the brass, and already velocity dropped so much(2394 ft/sec) that I couldn´t see if I had a hotloaded .30-30 or a whimpy .308whimpy.
If one wants to get the best out of a 8x57 Vithavouri N150, 550 or Norma URP(or similar American powder) is the only way to go.
gerry
Ammo Smith
- Mar 1, 2007
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Looks to be an excellent cartridge, a lot of power without burning a lot of powder. One day..........
6mm Remington
Ammo Smith
- Feb 27, 2006
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I have an 8x57 Mauser 98 my grandfather brought home from Germany in WWII! My dad killed his first deer with that rifle. It's still original military. It would be a great action to do a build on but I hate to take it from original. It has the bayonet and everything. I should post up a picture.nvbroncrider":r2g6f6bf said:
That would be a cool rifle for sure David. Those old Mauser's are pretty cool battle rifles. I'd probably cringe at cutting one up too..
I thought this was pretty interesting. If you were to use a little more modern 60/62K numbers in a modern rifle, it is really putting the heavier bullets out quite quick..
Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 220, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 64G
Useable Case Capaci: 55.844 grain H2O = 3.626 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 81 44.00 2153 2265 30894 7355 95.9 1.603
-18.0 84 45.10 2207 2378 32999 7550 96.8 1.560
-16.0 86 46.20 2260 2495 35251 7732 97.7 1.519
-14.0 88 47.30 2313 2613 37665 7899 98.4 1.478
-12.0 90 48.40 2366 2734 40250 8050 98.9 1.432
-10.0 92 49.50 2418 2857 43029 8185 99.4 1.388
-08.0 94 50.60 2470 2981 46010 8302 99.7 1.347
-06.0 96 51.70 2522 3108 49216 8401 99.9 1.306
-04.0 98 52.80 2574 3236 52665 8481 100.0 1.268
-02.0 100 53.90 2624 3365 56381 8549 100.0 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 55.00 2675 3495 60389 8614 100.0 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 56.10 2725 3627 64721 8676 100.0 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 57.20 2775 3761 69409 8735 100.0 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 58.30 2824 3896 74489 8790 100.0 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 59.40 2873 4033 80012 8842 100.0 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 60.50 2922 4172 86016 8890 100.0 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 55.00 2772 3754 73783 8232 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 55.00 2524 3112 48843 8930 98.2 1.307
I thought this was pretty interesting. If you were to use a little more modern 60/62K numbers in a modern rifle, it is really putting the heavier bullets out quite quick..
Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 220, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 64G
Useable Case Capaci: 55.844 grain H2O = 3.626 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 81 44.00 2153 2265 30894 7355 95.9 1.603
-18.0 84 45.10 2207 2378 32999 7550 96.8 1.560
-16.0 86 46.20 2260 2495 35251 7732 97.7 1.519
-14.0 88 47.30 2313 2613 37665 7899 98.4 1.478
-12.0 90 48.40 2366 2734 40250 8050 98.9 1.432
-10.0 92 49.50 2418 2857 43029 8185 99.4 1.388
-08.0 94 50.60 2470 2981 46010 8302 99.7 1.347
-06.0 96 51.70 2522 3108 49216 8401 99.9 1.306
-04.0 98 52.80 2574 3236 52665 8481 100.0 1.268
-02.0 100 53.90 2624 3365 56381 8549 100.0 1.230 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 55.00 2675 3495 60389 8614 100.0 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 56.10 2725 3627 64721 8676 100.0 1.159 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 57.20 2775 3761 69409 8735 100.0 1.126 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 58.30 2824 3896 74489 8790 100.0 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 59.40 2873 4033 80012 8842 100.0 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 60.50 2922 4172 86016 8890 100.0 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 55.00 2772 3754 73783 8232 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 55.00 2524 3112 48843 8930 98.2 1.307
DrMike
Ballistician
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The 8X57 is a fine cartridge that will do about anything the 30-06 will do. It is underrated in great measure by the decision to load the cartridge light in deference to older rifles with a .318 bore that might be in the hands of the unwary.
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nvbroncrider
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2011
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Well guys I'm working on a rebore got a donor for cheap M70 Classic sporter in 30-06 probably end up with a 22" barrel. I've already got brass need bullets and dies.
DrMike
Ballistician
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This is a great project. Good for bringing a neglected cartridge back to prominence, if only for yourself. I wouldn't hesitate to pick up an 8X57 should one appear.
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nvbroncrider
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2011
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Well unfortunately this one will have to wait a while longer it's gotta have a new tube can't rebore to get it done so might be a while.
rjm158
Handloader
- Oct 15, 2009
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I have a Remington 700 Classic in 8mm, one of the last in the series. I got it a year or so after they were marketed when a distributor for one of my LGS's had them on clearance. If I recall correctly, I think they were $325 for brand new rifles and my dealer did me a favor and sold it to me at cost plus tax. I couldn't very easily say no to that.
I haven't shot it for a long time but as I recall, it shot very nicely and I loaded up some 180 BT's for it but never hunted it.
Ron
I haven't shot it for a long time but as I recall, it shot very nicely and I loaded up some 180 BT's for it but never hunted it.
Ron
DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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I shot one of the Remington Classics for a customer. I was very favourably impressed with the rifle. I'd say you got a smoking deal, Ron.
6mm Remington
Ammo Smith
- Feb 27, 2006
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I helped Jake out with some more 8x57 brass also also as they have some at Shooter's Pro Shop right now! It's so nice that we all come together for the betterment of each other! :mrgreen: :lol:
