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 Post subject: Re: QuickLoad questions thread...
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:49 pm 

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Cartridge          : .224 Valkyrie
Bullet             : .224, 90, Berger VLD G7 #22423
Useable Case Capaci: 27.337 grain H2O = 1.775 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length      : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder             : Winchester 748

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   80    21.78   2396    1147   39915   8504     97.8    1.249
-09.0   81    22.02   2421    1171   41155   8589     98.1    1.232
-08.0   82    22.26   2445    1195   42459   8671     98.3    1.214
-07.0   83    22.51   2470    1219   43793   8749     98.6    1.197
-06.0   84    22.75   2495    1244   45164   8825     98.8    1.181
-05.0   85    22.99   2519    1268   46572   8897     99.1    1.164
-04.0   86    23.23   2544    1293   48017   8966     99.2    1.148  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   87    23.47   2568    1318   49502   9032     99.4    1.132  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   87    23.72   2592    1343   51033   9094     99.6    1.117  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   88    23.96   2616    1368   52610   9153     99.7    1.102  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   89    24.20   2641    1393   54236   9208     99.8    1.087  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   90    24.44   2665    1419   55912   9259     99.9    1.072  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   91    24.68   2689    1445   57640   9307     99.9    1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   92    24.93   2712    1470   59422   9352    100.0    1.044  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   93    25.17   2736    1496   61260   9392    100.0    1.030  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   94    25.41   2760    1522   63155   9430    100.0    1.016  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     89    24.20   2742    1503   64865   8836    100.0    1.012  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     89    24.20   2492    1241   43937   9213     95.9    1.187



Cartridge          : .224 Valkyrie
Bullet             : .224, 90, Berger VLD G7 #22423
Useable Case Capaci: 27.337 grain H2O = 1.775 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length      : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H380

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    22.68   2344    1098   38805   8528     92.4    1.283
-09.0   89    22.93   2371    1123   40062   8637     93.0    1.264
-08.0   90    23.18   2397    1148   41360   8745     93.4    1.245
-07.0   91    23.44   2424    1174   42702   8851     93.9    1.227
-06.0   92    23.69   2450    1200   44090   8955     94.4    1.208
-05.0   93    23.94   2477    1226   45524   9056     94.8    1.190
-04.0   94    24.19   2504    1253   47006   9155     95.3    1.173  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    24.44   2530    1280   48539   9251     95.7    1.155  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    24.70   2557    1307   50125   9345     96.1    1.138  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   97    24.95   2584    1334   51766   9436     96.4    1.121  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    25.20   2610    1362   53463   9524     96.8    1.105  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   99    25.45   2637    1390   55220   9610     97.1    1.089  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  100    25.70   2664    1418   57039   9692     97.4    1.073  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  101    25.96   2690    1446   58923   9771     97.7    1.057  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    26.21   2717    1475   60874   9847     98.0    1.042  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  103    26.46   2744    1504   62895   9920     98.3    1.027  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    25.20   2741    1501   64005   9479     99.8    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    25.20   2440    1190   43342   9116     89.9    1.213

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 Post subject: Re: QuickLoad questions thread... 45/70 Barnes 350 TSX #3061
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:44 pm 

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Location: Eugene, Oregon
I have a stash of these bullets and would like to try them in my 45/70 double rifle that has a MAP of 32k psi. The barrel length is 24", the COL would be 2.800", and the max loading density would be 102%. Much appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: QuickLoad questions thread...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:25 am 

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Can anyone run a load for me:

7mm saum
Nosler 140 ballistic silver tip
RL26
23 inch barrel

Also if you can run the one that shows the list of all the powders top load that would be great.

I would very much appreciate any help!

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 Post subject: Re: QuickLoad questions thread...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:47 am 

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Location: Northern British Columbia
Code:
Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet             : .284, 140, Nosler CT BalSilTip 51105
Useable Case Capaci: 65.448 grain H2O = 4.249 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-26 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   94    61.11   2897    2610   43405  12599     98.5    1.280
-09.0   95    61.79   2934    2676   45086  12711     98.9    1.258
-08.0   96    62.47   2971    2744   46843  12814     99.2    1.235
-07.0   97    63.15   3008    2812   48677  12907     99.4    1.213
-06.0   98    63.83   3044    2881   50594  12990     99.6    1.192
-05.0   99    64.51   3081    2950   52597  13063     99.8    1.171
-04.0  101    65.18   3117    3020   54692  13126     99.9    1.150
-03.0  102    65.86   3153    3091   56885  13178    100.0    1.129  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    66.54   3189    3162   59180  13219    100.0    1.109  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  104    67.22   3225    3234   61586  13256    100.0    1.090  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    67.90   3261    3306   64104  13291    100.0    1.070  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  106    68.58   3297    3378   66747  13325    100.0    1.051  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  107    69.26   3332    3451   69500  13357    100.0    1.033  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  108    69.94   3367    3525   72430  13388    100.0    1.014  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    70.62   3402    3599   75484  13417    100.0    0.996  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  110    71.30   3438    3673   78686  13444    100.0    0.979  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    67.90   3412    3619   81464  12688    100.0    0.976  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    67.90   3028    2850   49543  13596     97.1    1.195

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:48 am 

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Location: Northern British Columbia
Code:
Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet             : .284, 140, Nosler CT BalSilTip 51105
Useable Case Capaci: 65.448 grain H2O = 4.249 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 23.0 inch = 584.2 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64250 psi, or 442 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

8 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              104.7     67.9     4.40    3263   100.0    64250   13293   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 76 *C               112.0     72.7     4.71    3258    99.7    62111   14210   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       105.6     66.5     4.31    3233    99.6    64250   13405   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 107.3     66.1     4.29    3220    97.3    64250   13622   1.065  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                109.7     70.7     4.58    3211    98.1    64250   13345   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  109.6     70.6     4.57    3210    98.2    64250   13327   1.058  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C                98.7     63.4     4.11    3207   100.0    64250   12515   1.060  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    107.5     68.9     4.47    3206    95.9    64250   13632   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T                95.9     60.7     3.93    3204   100.0    64250   11963   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       105.7     65.5     4.25    3203    97.7    64250   13177   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           111.7     65.5     4.25    3203    97.7    64250   13177   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                    107.6     65.6     4.25    3198    98.8    64250   13154   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       107.6     65.6     4.25    3198    98.8    64250   13154   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              107.6     65.6     4.25    3198    98.8    64250   13154   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        110.4     65.9     4.27    3196    98.7    64250   13163   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     110.4     65.9     4.27    3196    98.7    64250   13163   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N565 *C                 112.0     69.4     4.50    3189    97.4    63671   13441   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        106.6     65.0     4.21    3186    97.5    64250   13038   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 *C              112.0     67.2     4.35    3179   100.0    60635   12861   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            94.8     60.0     3.89    3179   100.0    64250   11883   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T               94.8     60.0     3.89    3179   100.0    64250   11883   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T                99.9     58.7     3.81    3177   100.0    64250   11899   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T            99.9     58.7     3.81    3177   100.0    64250   11899   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP36 ZT *C *T               109.6     64.7     4.19    3172   100.0    64250   11844   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T           109.6     64.7     4.19    3172   100.0    64250   11844   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     106.9     70.3     4.55    3172    99.2    64250   12540   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        110.3     69.1     4.48    3169    97.7    64250   12829   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T               106.4     62.9     4.08    3164   100.0    64250   12055   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      108.7     65.1     4.22    3158    97.2    64250   12757   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        103.5     62.1     4.03    3154    98.6    64250   12452   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                100.4     62.6     4.05    3153    99.8    64250   12289   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   98.2     62.1     4.02    3152   100.0    64250   11993   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              104.2     62.8     4.07    3151    98.6    64250   12528   1.069  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 96.4     62.0     4.02    3151    99.9    64250   12212   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      99.6     62.1     4.02    3149    99.9    64250   12194   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      94.1     60.1     3.89    3147    99.6    64250   12236   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        94.1     60.1     3.89    3147    99.6    64250   12236   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         104.9     63.3     4.10    3144    98.6    64250   12434   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT *C ~approximation    110.2     67.8     4.39    3143    95.4    64250   12763   1.061  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       101.5     60.9     3.95    3142   100.0    64250   11347   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                        99.2     59.2     3.84    3130   100.0    64250   11697   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          99.3     59.2     3.84    3129   100.0    64250   11693   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                  96.4     59.4     3.85    3129   100.0    64250   11837   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                         96.7     58.4     3.78    3126   100.0    64250   11690   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        102.0     61.5     3.99    3126    98.4    64250   12197   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                        98.8     61.5     3.99    3126    98.4    64250   12197   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          102.0     61.5     3.99    3126    98.4    64250   12197   1.070  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       98.4     59.4     3.85    3125   100.0    64250   11664   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                105.2     64.2     4.16    3120    96.9    64250   12273   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 *T                   109.4     64.2     4.16    3120    96.9    64250   12273   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       104.3     63.6     4.12    3113    99.2    64250   11992   1.088  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           104.1     60.1     3.90    3110   100.0    64250   11442   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 *C               112.0     73.3     4.75    3108    94.7    55440   13883   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation     99.6     61.0     3.95    3103    99.4    64250   11792   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      107.5     64.9     4.20    3100    99.9    64250   11676   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             102.5     65.2     4.22    3098    98.5    64250   11858   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 *C                 109.7     65.4     4.24    3095    99.0    64250   11682   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      102.8     61.1     3.96    3094    97.6    64250   11873   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          98.8     59.0     3.82    3089    99.6    64250   11613   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350               98.8     59.0     3.82    3089    99.6    64250   11613   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        112.0     67.6     4.38    3088    96.7    55316   13274   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 *C                     112.0     67.6     4.38    3088    96.7    55316   13274   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                101.8     59.4     3.85    3087   100.0    64250   10781   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        91.7     56.5     3.66    3086   100.0    64250   11304   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 *C                 112.0     71.2     4.62    3085    90.6    54080   14040   1.148
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              106.4     62.5     4.05    3084    97.1    64250   11898   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C                 109.6     63.4     4.11    3075    97.5    64250   11639   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       92.0     56.1     3.64    3074   100.0    64250   10876   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          92.0     56.1     3.64    3074   100.0    64250   10876   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       94.1     56.1     3.64    3069   100.0    64250   10792   1.099  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          96.6     57.2     3.71    3068    99.2    64250   11418   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       96.6     57.2     3.71    3068    99.2    64250   11418   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        93.5     57.2     3.71    3067    99.2    64250   11410   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          97.7     57.7     3.74    3066    99.9    64250   11194   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle           97.7     57.7     3.74    3066    99.9    64250   11194   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        94.3     55.6     3.61    3065   100.0    64250   10805   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       101.6     65.3     4.23    3057    96.9    64250   11595   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         112.0     63.9     4.14    3051    99.7    60687   11596   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        112.0     66.8     4.33    3031    96.0    55876   12409   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 *T                   112.0     66.8     4.33    3031    96.0    55876   12409   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       91.5     54.0     3.50    3028   100.0    64250   10217   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron *C*T              110.5     65.9     4.27    3000    89.5    64250   11235   1.077  ! Near Maximum !

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I have another one for quickload if you would be so kind.

264 win mag
26” barrel
Sierra 107 grain tipped match king

Run as the list of all the powders.

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Code:
Cartridge          : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet             : .264, 107, Sierra TMK MatchK 7407
Useable Case Capaci: 77.988 grain H2O = 5.064 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61600 psi, or 424 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

38 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 76 *C               101.9     78.8     5.11    3630   100.0    61600   14828   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218                        108.9     83.4     5.41    3624    96.8    61600   16189   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 *C                 105.2     79.7     5.17    3612    96.5    61600   15901   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 *C              106.9     83.3     5.40    3591    96.9    61600   15650   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    109.0     78.8     5.10    3588   100.0    61600   14182   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225                        109.0     78.8     5.10    3588   100.0    61600   14182   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 *C                       111.6     79.0     5.12    3588   100.0    61600   14631   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870                       111.5     82.8     5.36    3585    98.1    61600   15358   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 *C               104.2     81.3     5.27    3582    98.7    61600   15257   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 *C              111.5     86.7     5.62    3578    96.4    61600   15906   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8133 Enduron *C*T              112.0     78.7     5.10    3570    99.5    61600   14799   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C               93.5     72.3     4.68    3561   100.0    61600   13848   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                  96.5     70.9     4.60    3556    98.9    61600   14526   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        104.4     75.0     4.86    3551    99.5    61600   14474   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 *C                     104.4     75.0     4.86    3551    99.5    61600   14474   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                 99.3     76.2     4.94    3551    99.6    61600   14229   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                        94.7     71.0     4.60    3551   100.0    61600   14053   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                   99.1     76.1     4.93    3550    99.6    61600   14202   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           101.0     70.5     4.57    3550    99.2    61600   14116   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        95.5     70.5     4.57    3550    99.2    61600   14116   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 *C              102.2     73.1     4.74    3549   100.0    61600   13494   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                     96.8     74.0     4.79    3541    97.9    61600   14607   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate LRT                       109.3     83.5     5.41    3539    91.1    61600   15158   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                         96.6     70.2     4.55    3537    99.2    61600   13991   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        100.4     75.0     4.86    3532    99.5    61600   13788   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 *T                   105.6     75.1     4.87    3529    99.5    61600   13747   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        105.6     75.1     4.87    3529    99.5    61600   13747   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C               96.8     70.4     4.56    3527    99.7    61600   13926   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                     96.8     70.4     4.56    3527    99.7    61600   13926   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation        96.8     70.4     4.56    3527    99.7    61600   13926   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                         99.4     70.7     4.58    3525    99.7    61600   13941   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                      99.4     70.7     4.58    3525    99.7    61600   13941   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N565 *C                 100.9     74.5     4.83    3524    99.1    61600   14310   1.164  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                       98.2     70.1     4.54    3499    98.8    61600   13692   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT *C ~approximation    100.2     73.5     4.76    3499    97.8    61600   13810   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      96.6     75.7     4.90    3498   100.0    61600   13272   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         93.7     67.0     4.34    3496    99.7    61600   13303   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C               94.2     67.7     4.39    3490    99.7    61600   13344   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 *C                107.6     82.4     5.34    3485    90.9    61600   14307   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 111.5     84.8     5.50    3483    88.7    61600   15053   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          94.9     68.2     4.42    3482    99.7    61600   13247   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                 90.5     67.2     4.36    3481   100.0    61600   12944   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T                95.3     67.2     4.35    3473   100.0    61600   12648   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP36 ZT *C *T                98.3     69.1     4.48    3472   100.0    61600   12419   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T            98.3     69.1     4.48    3472   100.0    61600   12419   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         92.4     66.5     4.31    3470    99.6    61600   13059   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           92.4     66.5     4.31    3470    99.6    61600   13059   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                 95.5     69.4     4.50    3467    98.7    61600   13239   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 *T                    99.3     69.4     4.50    3467    98.7    61600   13239   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        90.9     65.0     4.21    3446   100.0    61600   11961   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        94.3     68.5     4.44    3444    99.9    61600   12729   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       93.4     66.2     4.29    3444    99.1    61600   12808   1.134  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation     90.2     65.8     4.27    3440   100.0    61600   12540   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 *C                 108.4     77.1     4.99    3439    95.0    61600   13594   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              93.0     70.5     4.57    3436    99.7    61600   12685   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T               96.9     67.8     4.39    3434    98.8    61600   12844   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            93.8     64.6     4.19    3432   100.0    61600   12081   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869                     112.0     85.8     5.56    3431    90.4    59399   14162   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 *C                  99.3     70.6     4.58    3427    99.9    61600   12445   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG                      112.0     81.7     5.30    3425    86.0    58790   14284   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 *C                  99.6     68.7     4.45    3421    99.1    61600   12552   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                       97.1     69.8     4.52    3420   100.0    61600   12303   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         102.6     69.8     4.52    3420   100.0    61600   12303   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100                         105.2     81.4     5.27    3405    91.6    61600   13259   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World BMG                 105.2     81.4     5.27    3405    91.6    61600   13259   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 91.8     63.9     4.14    3404   100.0    61600   11436   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                        92.4     70.7     4.58    3402    98.7    61600   12520   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron *C*T              101.4     72.1     4.67    3371    93.0    61600   12510   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem 12.7-0                     112.0     83.1     5.39    3359    85.7    58775   13251   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  112.0     82.3     5.33    3352    93.9    54512   13775   1.224  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 8700                      112.0     84.0     5.44    3349    93.8    53392   13823   1.218  ! Near Maximum !

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If anyone had time to give me data for the following I would greatly appreciate it!

25-06
22.4" Barrel
110 NAB and/or 110 ELD-X
Norma MRP


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Code:
Cartridge          : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet             : .257, 110, Nosler AccuBond 53742
Useable Case Capaci: 60.236 grain H2O = 3.911 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 569.0 mm
Powder             : Norma MRP *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   91    52.83   2902    2057   44712  13577     96.5    1.244
-09.0   92    53.42   2937    2107   46343  13729     97.0    1.223
-08.0   93    54.00   2972    2158   48040  13875     97.5    1.202
-07.0   94    54.59   3007    2209   49791  14013     97.9    1.183
-06.0   95    55.18   3042    2261   51636  14144     98.3    1.163
-05.0   96    55.77   3077    2313   53545  14268     98.6    1.144
-04.0   97    56.35   3112    2366   55524  14383     98.9    1.125  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   98    56.94   3147    2420   57569  14491     99.2    1.106  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    57.53   3182    2473   59686  14590     99.4    1.088  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  100    58.11   3217    2528   61883  14681     99.6    1.070  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    58.70   3252    2582   64164  14763     99.7    1.053  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  102    59.29   3286    2638   66531  14836     99.9    1.036  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  103    59.87   3320    2693   68991  14900     99.9    1.019  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  104    60.46   3355    2749   71546  14954    100.0    1.002  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    61.05   3389    2805   74201  15000    100.0    0.986  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  106    61.64   3423    2862   76961  15042    100.0    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    58.70   3405    2832   78665  14213    100.0    0.966  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    58.70   3029    2241   50510  14565     94.9    1.168

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Cartridge          : .25-06 Rem.
Bullet             : .257, 110, Hornady ELD-X 25418
Useable Case Capaci: 61.800 grain H2O = 4.013 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.250 inch = 82.55 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.4 inch = 569.0 mm
Powder             : Norma MRP *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   90    53.37   2889    2038   44050  13761     96.5    1.255
-09.0   91    53.96   2924    2088   45639  13918     97.0    1.234
-08.0   92    54.56   2959    2138   47291  14068     97.4    1.214
-07.0   93    55.15   2993    2188   49005  14211     97.8    1.194
-06.0   94    55.74   3028    2240   50789  14346     98.2    1.174
-05.0   95    56.34   3063    2291   52635  14474     98.5    1.155
-04.0   96    56.93   3097    2343   54541  14594     98.9    1.136
-03.0   97    57.52   3132    2396   56510  14707     99.1    1.118  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   98    58.11   3166    2449   58551  14811     99.4    1.100  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    58.71   3201    2502   60667  14907     99.6    1.082  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    59.30   3235    2556   62862  14993     99.7    1.065  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  101    59.89   3269    2610   65138  15071     99.8    1.047  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  102    60.49   3303    2665   67499  15140     99.9    1.031  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  103    61.08   3337    2720   69949  15200    100.0    1.014  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    61.67   3371    2775   72492  15251    100.0    0.998  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  105    62.27   3404    2831   75132  15297    100.0    0.982  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    59.30   3389    2805   76914  14451    100.0    0.977  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    59.30   3013    2217   49522  14764     94.8    1.181

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I'm fairly new to using QL. Still learning. My question may be less about the software itself, but I'm confused about some of the results I'm getting.

The cartridge I'm running is a 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum with 142 grain Nosler AccuBond Long-Range.

I confirmed with Hodgdon that Hodgdon H50BMG is ADI AR 2218. ADI in Australia manufactures it and Hodgdon distributes it as H50BMG, BUT...

When I run the Propellant Table in QL, the results are different. I've noticed with propellants that are the same product, but under different names, such as Reloder 17 and Elcho 17, the figures are identical in the Propellant Table, but with ADI AR 2218 and H50BMG, they're different. With a maximum pressure of 65,000 psi, QL shows the max charge of AR 2218 as 86.2 grains and a case fill percentage as 99.0% and a predicted muzzle velocity of 3,364 FPS with a 26" barrel. Then down the list it shows H50BMG a max charge of 85.9, a fill percentage of 103.5 and a predicted MV of 3,247 FPS. What has me perplexed is, not the velocity difference so much. The rep at Hodgon explained that as variances between lots, but the charge weight differences versus the case fill percentages. It shows a higher weight charge for the AR 2218, but a lower fill percentage. Chemical composition variances between lots is a possible explanation of the difference in predicted velocities, but doesn't explain how a heavier charge occupies a lower amount of volume (86.2 grains/99% vs. 85.9 grains/103.5%). Chemical variations between lots isn't going to change space and volume with all else being equal if they're the same product under different labels. If they're the same powder, how is a 86.2 grain charge going to occupy less space than a, 85.9 grain charge? If someone could help me understand this, I'd greatly appreciate it.


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Excellent question. I've never actually run into this observation to this point. I can only assume that the test materials supplied to Mr. Bromel were different--the one shipped directly from Australia and the other shipped from the USA.

From the ADI website:

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ADI export a range of propellant to the US market where they are rebranded by Hodgdon Powder Company. We share reloading data and technical information with Hodgdon, which helps keep our products at the cutting edge of performance and quality, also the sizeable volumes of Aussie-made powder we export to the US help keep local manufacture economically viable.
ADI / Hodgdon Propellants Equivilents

ADI Powder Hodgdon / IMR naming
Trail Boss Trail Boss
AR2207 H4198
AR2219 H322
BM2 Benchmark
Bench Mark 8208 8208 XBR
AR2206H H4895
AR2208 Varget
AR2209 H4350
AR2213H / AR2213SC H4831 / H4831SC
AR2217 H1000
AR2225 Retumbo
AR2218 H50BMG


While the propellant shipped to the US is equivalent, there is no official recognition that it is identical. However, I do note and in QL that AR 2225 and Retumbo align, as do AR 2217 and H1000. So, it is somewhat mystifying, and I would only be guessing as to the reason for this particular disparity.

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I appreciate any help you can offer, even if it doesn't solve the problem.

The information I'm finding is quite bothersome. Looking at Hodgdon's and ADI's reloading data for this load, there are large variations in what I'm getting from QL.

As I stated previously, it's not only the velocity variation, but more worrisome is the disparity between the volume and pressure predictions. Hodgdon's and ADI's load data show a maximum charge of 90.0 grains of both propellants and a pressure of 62,400 psi, and a MV of 3,193. Let me state, I understand perfectly well about variables and variations from one rifle to another, that none of the information provided is absolute, that much of this is theoretical, that one needs to work up loads in their rifle, I get all of that, but I would expect the load data from the manufacturer would be based on actual testing and there would not be such a huge disparity between what QL predicts and what the reloading manuals are saying. Look at what QL shows if you loaded 90.0 grains of AR 2218 or H50BMG. QL predicts a peak pressure of 77,100 psi (versus 62,400 psi by the manufacturer data, a huge difference) with a 90.0 grain charge of AR 2218 and a peak pressure of 77,202 psi with a 90.0 charge of H50BMG. QL shows a predicted MV of 3,455 FPS with AR 2218 and 3,352 (a difference of 103 FPS) with H50BMG. Again, what is most concerning is the difference in what QL shows for the fill percentage with the 2. QL says a 90.0 grain charge of AR 2218 will occupy 103.4% of the available case capacity and 108.5% with a 90.0 grain charge of H50BMG. All of this with equal parameters between all 3 sources. Same, C.O.A.L., barrel length, et cetera.

Note the starting loads shown in the ADI and Hodgdon data. Their starting load is 84.5 grains, which would yield a MV of 3,013 FPS and a peak pressure of 53,200. QL predicts a peak pressure of 60,418 psi with a 84.5 grain charge and a MV of 3,208 FPS. With a 84.5 grain charge of H50BMG, QL predicts a peak pressure of 61,332 (8,132 psi difference from manufacturer data) and a MV of 3,106 FPS. That's already near PMax of 65,000 psi for that cartridge.

Throw in the published velocity ratings of Weatherby Select Plus Ammunition (they don't offer anything with this bullet, but do with a 140 grain AccuBond and a 140 grain A-Frame) of 3,300-3,395 FPS, I'm thinking that QL is closer to reality. The predicted velocities out of QL are pretty close to the factory ammunition velocity ratings (although Weatherby uses a 26" barrel) whereas Hodgdon's and ADI's listed velocities are a couple of hundred FPS different.

Something is terribly wrong here and this is becoming my White Whale.


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I have two wildcat cartridges that are just necked down versions of cartridges in the QuickLoad list. After I change the bore diameter and set the other case dominations how do I save it as it's own separate cartridge?

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