358 Norma mag QL request
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DrMike
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Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 200, Barnes 'TTSX' 30461
Useable Case Capaci: 76.420 grain H2O = 4.962 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Bullet : .358, 200, Barnes 'TTSX' 30461
Useable Case Capaci: 76.420 grain H2O = 4.962 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Code:
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17 107.2 79.2 5.13 3183 99.9 64000 9692 1.015 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 112.0 78.0 5.06 3122 98.8 64000 9400 1.030 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 112.0 81.5 5.28 3120 97.2 63676 9620 1.027 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 108.6 78.2 5.07 3119 98.7 64000 9508 1.036 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 106.1 79.0 5.12 3119 96.4 64000 9583 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 106.1 79.0 5.12 3119 96.4 64000 9583 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 111.2 78.3 5.08 3118 98.8 64000 9372 1.041 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 110.3 80.2 5.20 3069 93.8 64000 9313 1.028 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 102.8 74.0 4.79 3062 98.4 64000 9001 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 103.6 71.4 4.63 3052 100.0 64000 8269 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 96.2 71.5 4.63 3051 100.0 64000 8282 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 97.5 67.2 4.35 3031 100.0 64000 7936 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 104.2 74.4 4.82 3014 95.6 64000 8804 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 91.9 69.7 4.52 3011 100.0 64000 8084 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 112.0 76.3 4.95 3010 99.4 58418 8626 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 112.0 83.2 5.39 2967 92.5 59805 8838 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 112.0 78.9 5.11 2964 92.1 55494 9224 1.093 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
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Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 250, Speer SP 2453
Useable Case Capaci: 77.748 grain H2O = 5.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Bullet : .358, 250, Speer SP 2453
Useable Case Capaci: 77.748 grain H2O = 5.048 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Code:
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 112.0 86.3 5.59 2951 100.0 62349 10808 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 112.0 83.8 5.43 2895 98.6 61130 10732 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 102.0 76.7 4.97 2894 100.0 64000 9599 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.9 79.1 5.12 2857 99.4 64000 9822 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 112.0 82.5 5.34 2857 95.7 62615 10366 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.9 76.5 4.96 2849 98.9 64000 9794 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 100.9 76.5 4.96 2849 98.9 64000 9794 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 111.4 79.8 5.17 2849 97.6 64000 10003 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 106.4 75.4 4.89 2839 100.0 64000 9435 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 103.3 75.7 4.90 2839 99.9 64000 9566 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.7 75.7 4.91 2837 100.0 64000 9397 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 112.0 82.0 5.31 2823 94.5 58079 10586 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 111.7 76.7 4.97 2822 100.0 64000 9225 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 105.4 78.0 5.06 2820 97.3 64000 9698 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 112.0 81.1 5.26 2805 95.2 64000 9686 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 112.0 81.1 5.26 2803 96.6 57219 10294 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 109.3 75.8 4.91 2802 100.0 64000 8651 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 112.0 85.3 5.53 2798 92.5 57136 10514 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 109.2 82.5 5.35 2793 97.2 64000 9424 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 112.0 87.4 5.67 2792 97.2 59716 9882 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 97.9 71.7 4.65 2789 99.9 64000 9068 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 98.6 71.4 4.63 2788 100.0 64000 8735 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 99.5 72.3 4.69 2760 98.4 64000 9054 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 91.4 69.0 4.47 2753 100.0 64000 8180 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 98.4 69.0 4.47 2750 100.0 64000 8176 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 92.5 64.9 4.20 2722 100.0 64000 7851 1.185 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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Cartridge : .358 Norma Mag.
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 53A
Useable Case Capaci: 78.029 grain H2O = 5.066 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Bullet : .358, 250, Woodleigh PP WeldCore 53A
Useable Case Capaci: 78.029 grain H2O = 5.066 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.346 inch = 84.99 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Code:
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 112.0 86.6 5.61 2957 100.0 62663 10841 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 112.0 84.1 5.45 2901 98.6 61412 10773 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 101.9 76.9 4.98 2896 100.0 64000 9626 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 112.0 82.8 5.36 2863 95.8 62875 10411 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.7 79.3 5.14 2859 99.4 64000 9851 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 111.3 80.0 5.19 2851 97.6 64000 10035 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 100.8 76.7 4.97 2850 99.0 64000 9825 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.8 76.7 4.97 2850 99.0 64000 9825 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 106.3 75.6 4.90 2841 100.0 64000 9462 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 103.2 75.9 4.92 2841 99.9 64000 9594 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.5 75.9 4.92 2838 100.0 64000 9424 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 112.0 82.3 5.33 2829 94.7 58304 10634 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 111.5 76.8 4.98 2824 100.0 64000 9251 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 105.3 78.2 5.07 2822 97.3 64000 9730 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 112.0 81.4 5.28 2809 96.7 57471 10338 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 111.9 81.3 5.27 2807 95.2 64000 9720 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 112.0 85.6 5.55 2804 92.6 57399 10564 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 109.1 75.9 4.92 2804 100.0 64000 8676 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 112.0 87.7 5.69 2799 97.3 59991 9923 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 109.1 82.7 5.36 2796 97.3 64000 9456 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 97.8 71.9 4.66 2791 99.9 64000 9095 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 98.4 71.6 4.64 2789 100.0 64000 8760 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 99.4 72.5 4.70 2762 98.4 64000 9083 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 91.3 69.2 4.48 2754 100.0 64000 8204 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 98.2 69.1 4.48 2751 100.0 64000 8199 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 112.0 80.6 5.22 2726 98.7 57062 9270 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 92.4 65.0 4.21 2723 100.0 64000 7874 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 92.6 63.3 4.10 2709 100.0 64000 7869 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 112.0 78.3 5.07 2688 93.4 55471 9357 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 112.0 77.2 5.00 2650 94.3 55382 8882 1.207 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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Thanks Brother Mike! I tease you about singing at your funeral, but we both know we are going to live to be 120, right! 
I really like those numbers for the Norma! I was still a 100-150fps behind them with my C4 loaded Ackley, ha. I figured I could run with the 340W/338 RUM. I shot the 210XBT in the Weatherby right at 3200 and the 250 NP in the RUM right at 2950 or close. The 35 caliber hole in the end of the 338win sized case makes a difference, doesn't it? I am really looking forward to working with this cartridge! Have a great service tomorrow Pastor! Jim
I really like those numbers for the Norma! I was still a 100-150fps behind them with my C4 loaded Ackley, ha. I figured I could run with the 340W/338 RUM. I shot the 210XBT in the Weatherby right at 3200 and the 250 NP in the RUM right at 2950 or close. The 35 caliber hole in the end of the 338win sized case makes a difference, doesn't it? I am really looking forward to working with this cartridge! Have a great service tomorrow Pastor! Jim
DrMike
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It certainly delivers some energy on target. I'm enjoying the cartridge. Should be an interesting service tomorrow.
DrMike
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SJB358":3lgasjcz said:
Wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two in the field, Scotty. They are virtual twins. I built my 358 Norma Mag because it was simply easier to build a 358 Norma Mag than to try to keep up with the Top! :mrgreen:
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