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 Post subject: Transitioning a load from new brass to fired brass
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:36 pm 

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I am in a situation I have never been in before. I found a good load with new brass. See the targets below.

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The first target was shot with 61.0 gr. of RL-26 and produced an average velocity of 3105 fps. The second target shot the same day with 62.0 gr. of RL-26 produced an average velocity of 3171 fps. The third target was shot about three weeks later with 61.5 gr. of RL-26 averaging 3151 fps. All three groups were less than an inch when using new brass.

I have never had such good groups with new brass. Usually, I get better groups and more velocity with fired and partially full length resized brass. (Bumping the shoulder back .001" to .002".) I have seen from 30 fps to 70 fps differences in velocity from new brass to fired brass.

I think my approach would be to load up rounds with 59.0, 59.5, 60.0, 60.5, and 61.0 gr. of powder to see what charge I need to get about 3150 fps with fired brass. Then load up about 4 rounds at the charge that produces about 3150 fps and test fire those for a group.

Is that the approach others would take?

Dan


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 Post subject: Re: Transitioning a load from new brass to fired brass
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:40 pm 
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Dan,
I would just reshoot the 61.0, 61.5 and 62.0 grain loads in the fire formed cases. Pick the best load and then work with your seating depth.

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 Post subject: Re: Transitioning a load from new brass to fired brass
PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:23 pm 

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JD338 wrote:
Dan,
I would just reshoot the 61.0, 61.5 and 62.0 grain loads in the fire formed cases. Pick the best load and then work with your seating depth.

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Excellent advice. It is essentially what I would do.

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 Post subject: Re: Transitioning a load from new brass to fired brass
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:20 am 

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Maybe I am overthinking it. My concern was that Speer reloading information shows their top load of RL-26 with 130 gr. bullets at 60.3 gr. with a velocity of 3171 fps. My load at 62.0 gr. was achieving that velocity with new brass and I was concerned that I might go over pressure with fired brass. That was why I was thinking of dropping back on the charge a bit.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:30 am 

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Yes you are, and you already have great advice. Will be waiting to see how your next groups go.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:53 am 
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NYDAN wrote:
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Yes you are, and you already have great advice. Will be waiting to see how your next groups go.

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Keep in mind that the reloading guides are based on their test parameters. Every rifle is different, as is each lot of powder. Working up carefully is good. I believe you have a safe load already established for your rifle so you should be set. You could also load just 3 rounds at 62.0 grs in fire formed cases and confirm the load. Watch for sticky bolt lift, ejector marks on the case and flattened primers.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:22 am 

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Agreeing with Jim and others. Given variability in new brass vs fired... it’s going to be better behaved shot to shot.
It appears you found a good nose, given the consistency your group produced. You’ll know on the first shot if the second or third will give you any pressure signs.

I think you’re good.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:49 am 

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Thanks, guys. I really appreciate all of your thoughts and reassurances. It will be a while before I can shoot again.

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 Post subject: Re: Transitioning a load from new brass to fired brass
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:54 am 
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Dan you have received great advise from the experts here and there isn't much if anything to add except Though the groups look good I don't look to repeat the same findings with once fired brass since the parameters has changed and virtually can't be repeated out side of a laboratory with new brass. I look for improved groups with once fired since every piece should have the same dimensions.
As for excessive pressure remember you are going by a Lawyer based liability publication and is only a guide to get you started.
If you think there is a problem with pressure change the primer and go with a standard primer instead of the magnum primer. You will be surprised at the results.


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