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 Post subject: 270gr JFN from .44 mag Carbine
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:16 pm 

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These are a couple of Speer 270gr JFN Gold Dots (now called Deep Curl, I believe). Taken out of a very large boar (400+). Bullet #1 from against the vertebra, rt side of neck and #2 taken from the rt shoulder. Both found when the boar was caped. The shoulder shot/bullet never even bled as it did not quite penetrate to the shoulder bone, being stopped in the 2-3" shield. Fired from a Marlin 1894 44mag at a distance of 45 yards and I'd figure 1600-1650 FPS (est). It took three more shots to finally quiet the big boar, the last at 10' to the neck (2nd shot to neck). I'd say the bullets look great, but obviously not enough H.P. to penetrate deep enough on the boar's tough shield. I'd call them near perfect for deer, though. I shoot them from a .444 now....lol.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:24 pm 
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Welcome to the forum, glad you are here.
Those bullets look really good. They didn't penetraste as deep as I would have thought but a 2-3" shield is pretty tough.
Nice post, thanks for sharing.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:32 pm 
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Wow Pigs are tough!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:14 pm 

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Tnhunter - welcome - and great first post! Any photos of the boar?

About 25+ years ago my buddy with a .44 mag Super Blackhawk, one of the 10.5" barrels, learned something about hollow points and boar. We were handgun hunting - he was using handloaded 210 gr Sierra JHC's - and took a shot at a fair sized boar at maybe 25 or 30 yards as I recall. The bullet didn't penetrate the shield, and that boar just beat the snot out of a smaller pig near it, then resumed feeding... :shock:

To make a long story short - He shot it again, and a merry chase and more shooting followed. Finally killed it after it rushed us. Only one of his five hits made it into the boiler room. One of those hits was crummy and just ticked it off, but the rest should have brought the pig down, if they'd gone through.

I went back to the truck and got my rifle. Shot one later in the day with a .30 cal, 180 gr Nosler Partition. That worked just fine. :grin:

Again - welcome - and good photos. It's interesting to see bullets recovered from game. Most of my shots on game are pass-throughs. I must be shooting dinks or something... :grin:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:24 pm 

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Tnhunter,

Welcome aboard. Great post. The bullet performance was very good, but you are correct that a bit more horsepower would have helped. I agree, however, that it would work well for deer.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:44 pm 

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Hey buddy! It is about time you dropped over! Welcome aboard!

Great first post, I was hoping you would post them up over here. Scotty

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:36 pm 

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Thanks to all for the warm welcome! Not sure just how much I'll be able to add, but will enjoy reading and learning, I'm sure. Someone asked for a picture of the hog, so here ya go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:45 pm 

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Good sized beast, that's for certain.

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WOW! Now that is a hog.. Whats your address? Might need to swing by to find his brother!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:59 am 

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SJB358 wrote:
WOW! Now that is a hog.. Whats your address? Might need to swing by to find his brother!


On the same hunt, my Buddy killed a sow of ~ 300 pounds. And on last year's trip another Buddy killed this one. All free-ranging Georgia swamp hogs. Maybe you'd like to join us on a hunt Scotty!


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Another fine looking beast. Good show.

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Tnhunter wrote:
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WOW! Now that is a hog.. Whats your address? Might need to swing by to find his brother!


On the same hunt, my Buddy killed a sow of ~ 300 pounds. And on last year's trip another Buddy killed this one. All free-ranging Georgia swamp hogs. Maybe you'd like to join us on a hunt Scotty!


Heck YEAH I do! I would love to hunt hogs! I haven't ever shot one and I would love the chance to hunt hogs like that. I think my son would lose his mind hunting big ol tuskers like that. Great pictures!

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I would bring that BLR down there Scotty. Swamp hog hunting just screams for a light, short, quick-handling rifle and the 358Win.

Nice hogs there TnH and good lesson learned for me.

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Years ago I was working out of Redding California, and got the chance to go shoot a few pigs, with a local shooter. We set buy this water hole and waited. I was shooting my .270 Winchester, in a Featherweight. I was shooting 150 PT. and had trouble getting all the way through them. We shot quit a few of them in a couple days.

In the past I've had to dispatch all kinds of animals, with a .44 magnum. But I have always shot real hard cast bullets, at them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:59 am 
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Man, those are some hogs!

Scotty, can you say 45-70? :mrgreen:

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JD338 wrote:
Man, those are some hogs!

Scotty, can you say 45-70? :mrgreen:

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I would think the .45-70 Marlin loaded with the cast 405's would do goodly :)

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JD338 wrote:
Man, those are some hogs!

Scotty, can you say 45-70? :mrgreen:

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I sure can Jim.. Can't think of a better hog killer either!

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Just amazing how much punishment those hogs can take. Be cool to see what the 300 PT at 2300-2400 FPS would do in our 45-70s.

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I would suspect they would do quite well too Brian !

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I wonder if the .458 300 gr PT would make it through both shoulders of a 400 lb hog?

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I wonder if the .458 300 gr PT would make it through both shoulders of a 400 lb hog?

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I don't think it would slow down Jim. Just my guess though. I haven't seen anything beat the 300 PT yet in the jugs, other than a hardcast bullet...

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JD338 wrote:
I wonder if the .458 300 gr PT would make it through both shoulders of a 400 lb hog?

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Prolly. But I'd reserve my opinion to that of a 400 lb sow. I have seen the difference between a sow that big (nearly) and a boar, bigger than that. I am sure that the 300gr PT would take that hog, sow or boar, but full penetration through both shoulders & shields...I dunno... :?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:25 pm 
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Tnhunter wrote:
JD338 wrote:
I wonder if the .458 300 gr PT would make it through both shoulders of a 400 lb hog?

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Prolly. But I'd reserve my opinion to that of a 400 lb sow. I have seen the difference between a sow that big (nearly) and a boar, bigger than that. I am sure that the 300gr PT would take that hog, sow or boar, but full penetration through both shoulders & shields...I dunno... :?


Ok buddy, you are just going to have to shoot one of them big hogs and let us know. :mrgreen:


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