150 Accubond and 30-06

[joelkdouglas]

Gents,

I'm planning on going to the range Saturday, and maybe Monday and Tuesday also. :grin:

I'm hoping for some quick load development for a 30-06 and a 150 AccuBond.

Powders I have:
Ramshot Big Game
H4350
IMR4350
Varget
H4895
Ramshot Hunter
H4831

Some all stars in here for the 30-06, and I expect that Big Game and H4895 are probably about ideal for 150s, Varget is good but probably too little case fill, H4350 and IMR4350 are very good if a bit too slow, and Hunter and H4831 are definitely too slow for 150s.

The first day I will try and find a seating depth the bullet/rifle likes, per Berger's recommendation to determine bullet seating depth before powder adjustment. I have always done load development the other way around, but I'll try Berger's method first.

Which powder would you start with? Anybody have good loads with H4895 or Big Game with 150s?

 

[Wincheringen]

Big Game is a 4350, but its a good powder in the '06. I don't actually load anything that slow, but my only '06s are Garands.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot Big Game

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   77    46.40   2396    1912   30684   8328     91.1    1.365
-18.0   79    47.56   2455    2007   32733   8585     92.3    1.331
-16.0   81    48.72   2514    2104   34937   8833     93.4    1.297
-14.0   83    49.88   2572    2204   37282   9070     94.5    1.264
-12.0   85    51.04   2631    2306   39787   9295     95.5    1.226
-10.0   87    52.20   2690    2410   42464   9508     96.4    1.189
-08.0   89    53.36   2748    2516   45329   9708     97.1    1.154
-06.0   91    54.52   2807    2624   48394   9893     97.8    1.120
-04.0   93    55.68   2865    2733   51678  10062     98.4    1.088  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   94    56.84   2922    2845   55197  10216     99.0    1.056  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   96    58.00   2980    2958   58945  10352     99.4    1.026  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0   98    59.16   3037    3072   62940  10470     99.7    0.997  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  100    60.32   3094    3188   67217  10569     99.9    0.969  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  102    61.48   3150    3305   71803  10649    100.0    0.942  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  104    62.64   3206    3424   76723  10711    100.0    0.916  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  106    63.80   3261    3543   82009  10766    100.0    0.890  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     96    58.00   3106    3212   70702   9988    100.0    0.953  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     96    58.00   2802    2615   47751  10208     94.5    1.123

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   85    47.60   2324    1799   30213   7776     83.6    1.378
-18.0   87    48.79   2383    1891   32245   8048     85.0    1.342
-16.0   89    49.98   2441    1985   34415   8316     86.4    1.308
-14.0   91    51.17   2500    2082   36736   8579     87.7    1.275
-12.0   93    52.36   2560    2182   39216   8836     89.0    1.237
-10.0   95    53.55   2619    2285   41873   9085     90.2    1.200
-08.0   97    54.74   2679    2390   44718   9327     91.3    1.164
-06.0  100    55.93   2739    2498   47769   9560     92.4    1.129
-04.0  102    57.12   2799    2609   51042   9783     93.4    1.096  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  104    58.31   2859    2723   54559   9995     94.4    1.063  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  106    59.50   2919    2839   58339  10195     95.3    1.032  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  108    60.69   2980    2957   62380  10383     96.1    1.002  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    61.88   3040    3079   66719  10557     96.8    0.973  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  112    63.07   3101    3203   71394  10716     97.5    0.945  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  114    64.26   3162    3329   76440  10860     98.1    0.917  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  116    65.45   3222    3458   81894  10987     98.6    0.891  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    106    59.50   3067    3132   69237  10291     99.2    0.959  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    106    59.50   2733    2487   47928   9651     87.9    1.126

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   86    47.76   2326    1802   30273   7786     83.5    1.377
-18.0   89    48.95   2384    1893   32312   8059     84.9    1.341
-16.0   91    50.15   2443    1988   34494   8328     86.3    1.307
-14.0   93    51.34   2502    2086   36816   8592     87.6    1.273
-12.0   95    52.54   2562    2186   39320   8850     88.8    1.236
-10.0   97    53.73   2622    2289   41992   9100     90.1    1.198
-08.0   99    54.92   2682    2395   44853   9343     91.2    1.162
-06.0  102    56.12   2742    2504   47923   9577     92.3    1.127
-04.0  104    57.31   2802    2615   51219   9801     93.3    1.094  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  106    58.51   2862    2729   54762  10014     94.3    1.062  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    59.70   2923    2846   58571  10216     95.2    1.030  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  110    60.89   2984    2965   62652  10404     96.0    1.000  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    62.09   3045    3087   67030  10579     96.8    0.971  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  115    63.28   3105    3212   71750  10739     97.5    0.943  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  117    64.48   3166    3339   76847  10883     98.1    0.915  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  119    65.67   3227    3469   82361  11010     98.6    0.888  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    59.70   3071    3141   69540  10317     99.2    0.957  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    59.70   2735    2492   48115   9665     87.8    1.124

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon VARGET

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   79    43.20   2371    1872   31936   7858     91.2    1.354
-18.0   81    44.28   2426    1960   33957   8095     92.3    1.321
-16.0   83    45.36   2481    2049   36082   8325     93.3    1.288
-14.0   85    46.44   2535    2141   38332   8548     94.3    1.253
-12.0   87    47.52   2590    2234   40717   8763     95.2    1.218
-10.0   89    48.60   2645    2329   43246   8969     96.0    1.184
-08.0   91    49.68   2699    2426   45926   9166     96.7    1.152
-06.0   93    50.76   2753    2525   48768   9352     97.4    1.120
-04.0   95    51.84   2807    2625   51783   9527     98.0    1.090  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   97    52.92   2861    2726   54982   9691     98.5    1.061  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   99    54.00   2914    2829   58379   9843     98.9    1.033  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  101    55.08   2968    2933   61988   9982     99.3    1.005  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  103    56.16   3021    3039   65824  10108     99.6    0.979  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  105    57.24   3073    3146   69906  10219     99.8    0.954  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  107    58.32   3126    3254   74253  10316     99.9    0.929  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  109    59.40   3178    3363   78885  10397    100.0    0.906  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     99    54.00   3028    3055   68140   9617    100.0    0.966  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     99    54.00   2759    2535   48790   9639     94.2    1.119

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   74    41.76   2390    1903   31791   8108     93.0    1.369
-18.0   76    42.80   2445    1992   33771   8339     94.0    1.336
-16.0   78    43.85   2500    2082   35863   8563     94.9    1.305
-14.0   79    44.89   2555    2174   38074   8777     95.8    1.271
-12.0   81    45.94   2609    2267   40409   8982     96.6    1.235
-10.0   83    46.98   2663    2362   42877   9177     97.3    1.200
-08.0   85    48.02   2717    2458   45484   9362     97.9    1.168
-06.0   87    49.07   2770    2556   48238   9534     98.4    1.136
-04.0   89    50.11   2823    2654   51149   9695     98.9    1.106  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   91    51.16   2876    2754   54226   9843     99.3    1.076  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   92    52.20   2928    2855   57480   9978     99.6    1.048  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0   94    53.24   2980    2957   60921  10099     99.8    1.021  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   96    54.29   3031    3060   64564  10206     99.9    0.995  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0   98    55.33   3082    3163   68421  10298    100.0    0.970  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  100    56.38   3132    3267   72508  10378    100.0    0.945  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  102    57.42   3182    3372   76840  10456    100.0    0.922  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     92    52.20   3038    3074   67446   9652    100.0    0.978  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     92    52.20   2771    2558   47635   9903     95.6    1.141

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot Hunter

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   86    50.00   2368    1867   29652   8448     85.0    1.382
-18.0   88    51.25   2430    1967   31716   8753     86.6    1.345
-16.0   90    52.50   2494    2071   33946   9052     88.1    1.310
-14.0   92    53.75   2557    2178   36333   9343     89.5    1.275
-12.0   94    55.00   2621    2288   38904   9624     90.8    1.235
-10.0   96    56.25   2685    2402   41669   9894     92.1    1.196
-08.0   99    57.50   2750    2519   44646  10152     93.3    1.158
-06.0  101    58.75   2815    2639   47859  10397     94.4    1.121
-04.0  103    60.00   2880    2762   51328  10627     95.4    1.086  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    61.25   2945    2888   55078  10840     96.3    1.052  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    62.50   3010    3017   59140  11036     97.1    1.019  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  109    63.75   3075    3150   63543  11213     97.9    0.987  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    65.00   3140    3285   68328  11370     98.5    0.956  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  114    66.25   3206    3423   73537  11506     99.0    0.926  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  116    67.50   3271    3563   79218  11618     99.4    0.897  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  118    68.75   3336    3707   85428  11706     99.7    0.869  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    62.50   3168    3342   71923  10933     99.9    0.940  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    62.50   2801    2614   47918  10523     89.8    1.119

 

[joelkdouglas]

Thanks!

Dr. Mike--how do you run those tables? I have Quickload, but I do it all manually, and look at the barrel time. I have a feeling I do it the s...l...o...w way.

I ended up loading 59.8 gr H4350. After looking through the powders, I didn't have enough Big Game to load until powders are more "readily available"--don't want to do load development and then not be able to get more of the same powder! I still had 1.5 or so lbs of H4350.

I have plenty of IMR4350 (4-5 lbs), but it's already warm down here in the land of confederates. We're moving back above the Mason-Dixon line this summer, so I want something a bit more temp resistant. IMR4350 is my fall back--if I can't get anything else to work, I know 59.0 grains of IMR4350 will be close.

I haven't worked with the other powders enough to break them out, except for Hunter. Hunter I use with 180s.

 

[joelkdouglas]

And I forgot to mention, I did load up a set of 4 "pressure check" rounds. 57, 58, 59, 60 grains of H4350.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   85    47.60   2324    1799   30213   7776     83.6    1.378
-18.0   87    48.79   2383    1891   32245   8048     85.0    1.342
-16.0   89    49.98   2441    1985   34415   8316     86.4    1.308
-14.0   91    51.17   2500    2082   36736   8579     87.7    1.275
-12.0   93    52.36   2560    2182   39216   8836     89.0    1.237
-10.0   95    53.55   2619    2285   41873   9085     90.2    1.200
-08.0   97    54.74   2679    2390   44718   9327     91.3    1.164
-06.0  100    55.93   2739    2498   47769   9560     92.4    1.129
-04.0  102    57.12   2799    2609   51042   9783     93.4    1.096  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  104    58.31   2859    2723   54559   9995     94.4    1.063  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  106    59.50   2919    2839   58339  10195     95.3    1.032  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  108    60.69   2980    2957   62380  10383     96.1    1.002  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    61.88   3040    3079   66719  10557     96.8    0.973  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  112    63.07   3101    3203   71394  10716     97.5    0.945  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  114    64.26   3162    3329   76440  10860     98.1    0.917  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  116    65.45   3222    3458   81894  10987     98.6    0.891  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    106    59.50   3067    3132   69237  10291     99.2    0.959  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    106    59.50   2733    2487   47928   9651     87.9    1.126

The "Charge Variations" icon gives you the table that was posted. The "Checking Propellants" icon gives you a comparison table, like this one:

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 102.3     60.6     3.93    3062    99.8    59000   11136   1.011  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           102.3     60.6     3.93    3062    99.8    59000   11136   1.011  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       110.0     61.8     4.01    3045   100.0    58870   10671   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                103.6     62.4     4.04    3009    97.1    59000   11048   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     107.1     62.5     4.05    3008    97.1    59000   11030   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          106.7     59.6     3.86    3002    98.6    59000   10776   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         106.8     59.7     3.87    3002    98.6    59000   10773   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       101.1     60.4     3.92    3001    96.2    59000   10982   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     101.1     60.4     3.92    3001    96.2    59000   10982   1.023  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      106.2     60.0     3.89    3001    98.6    59000   10795   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    103.6     59.8     3.87    2998    98.5    59000   10876   1.031  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            95.9     54.2     3.51    2976    99.5    59000   10382   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                109.6     59.9     3.88    2975    99.7    59000   10063   1.021  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     61.8     4.01    2965    93.5    58346   10848   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          97.2     54.9     3.56    2965    99.5    59000   10256   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  96.7     54.6     3.54    2964    99.2    59000   10304   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          96.7     54.6     3.54    2964    99.2    59000   10304   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                        96.7     54.6     3.54    2964    99.2    59000   10304   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       91.5     56.4     3.66    2963    99.9    59000   10145   1.038  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          98.8     56.4     3.66    2961    99.8    59000   10155   1.046  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       98.8     56.4     3.66    2961    99.8    59000   10155   1.046  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          108.9     61.5     3.99    2961    93.7    59000   10690   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          105.5     61.5     3.99    2961    93.7    59000   10690   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        108.9     61.5     3.99    2961    93.7    59000   10690   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      101.1     56.5     3.66    2954    99.7    59000   10069   1.046  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       106.5     61.1     3.96    2951    95.8    59000   10505   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        98.0     56.6     3.67    2949    98.2    59000   10314   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          110.0     64.8     4.20    2947    93.9    52028   11620   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       100.9     55.8     3.61    2946    99.7    59000   10037   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     62.1     4.03    2943    93.3    56304   10870   1.040  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         105.6     59.0     3.82    2938    96.4    59000   10391   1.041  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       91.6     54.6     3.54    2937   100.0    59000    9551   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        93.7     54.6     3.54    2937   100.0    59000    9551   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       98.7     54.5     3.53    2936   100.0    59000    9549   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      97.5     56.9     3.68    2932    98.3    59000   10049   1.036  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      108.3     59.8     3.88    2930    95.3    59000   10238   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           106.3     59.7     3.87    2930    95.4    59000   10229   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             109.3     65.1     4.22    2928    93.6    59000   10358   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     59.5     3.86    2927    98.2    55263   10432   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      109.5     61.0     3.95    2923    92.3    59000   10300   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         104.2     57.6     3.73    2921    97.5    59000   10100   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    92.4     56.0     3.63    2919    98.1    59000    9947   1.042  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       92.9     51.4     3.33    2918   100.0    59000    9184   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           90.6     52.3     3.39    2914    99.9    59000    9610   1.048  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     62.1     4.03    2913    92.9    54999   10700   1.052  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      102.7     56.9     3.69    2908    95.4    59000   10092   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         102.7     56.9     3.69    2908    95.4    59000   10092   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        99.4     57.0     3.69    2907    95.4    59000   10084   1.039  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     63.8     4.14    2906    89.7    53692   11021   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       96.4     52.5     3.40    2905    99.9    59000    9495   1.049  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       110.0     62.8     4.07    2901    94.4    55115   10492   1.066  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       92.6     49.7     3.22    2892   100.0    59000    9142   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       108.1     65.0     4.21    2880    91.1    59000    9979   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     62.8     4.07    2871    89.7    55093   10316   1.051  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     62.8     4.07    2869    89.1    52547   10776   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     63.5     4.11    2869    88.2    49830   11159   1.096
Accurate 2700                       99.3     58.5     3.79    2854    95.1    59000    9472   1.044  ! Near Maximum !

 

[joelkdouglas]

Thanks!

 

[1Shot]

Yes 59 grs IMR 4350 usually shoots really well with 150 in the 06. If you can find you some IMR 4064 then 51.2 grs of it with 150 has shot lights out in about every bolt action 30-06 I have ever tried it in. It is fast also. Depending on barrel length 22 to 26" 2900s to a touch over 3000 fps.

 

[SJB358]

I wouldn't sweat IMR4350 for the temp changes. It has been a good one for me Joel. Seems like there isn't a bad powder in the bunch for that combo and downright great speeds.

Why the 150's Joel? Deer?

 

[joelkdouglas]

Yep, Kansas and Missouri whitetail. I know the 180 PTs will kill them also.

Why am I not just using the 180 PT load...hmmm.....I suspect there's an answer for "can't leave well enough alone" somewhere?

For that matter, I bet a 150 AccuBond would kill elk cleanly also!

 

[DrMike]

Just tell people that you are scientifically inclined, which compels you to look for answers even to questions no one else is asking. :grin:

 

[Guy Miner]

I think a lot of folks tend to forget how blisteringly fast a good .30-06 can shove a 150 gr bullet. A muzzle velocity of 3,000 fpr is downright zippy, producing a real flat 300 yards.

Now that we've got 150's that hang tough, like the AccuBond & E-Tip, all sorts of possibilities lure the handloader/hunter.

I think I'll stick with my 165's & up, but certainly have nothing against a quality 150 gr .30-06 load.

Guy

 

[joelkdouglas]

I was thinking a good 150 load for deer, caribou, sheep, pretty much everything up to elk and moose, and 180 PTs for those.

 

[FOTIS]

I agree Joel.

 

[Guest]

Joel,
FWIW I have shot my 30-06 with 150 BT and Accubonds using W748 Powder getting in the high 2900's-3000 fps from a 22" barrel Rem 700. Good accuracy as well.

Don

 

[SJB358]

Joel,
FWIW I have shot my 30-06 with 150 BT and Accubonds using W748 Powder getting in the high 2900's-3000 fps from a 22" barrel Rem 700. Good accuracy as well.

Don

Don, that combo has to be just about as good a deer round as it gets! Lightning sorta speeds and alot of reach as well.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Gents,

I'm planning on going to the range Saturday, and maybe Monday and Tuesday also. :grin:

I'm hoping for some quick load development for a 30-06 and a 150 AccuBond.

Powders I have:
Ramshot Big Game
H4350
IMR4350
Varget
H4895
Ramshot Hunter
H4831

Some all stars in here for the 30-06, and I expect that Big Game and H4895 are probably about ideal for 150s, Varget is good but probably too little case fill, H4350 and IMR4350 are very good if a bit too slow, and Hunter and H4831 are definitely too slow for 150s.

The first day I will try and find a seating depth the bullet/rifle likes, per Berger's recommendation to determine bullet seating depth before powder adjustment. I have always done load development the other way around, but I'll try Berger's method first.

Which powder would you start with? Anybody have good loads with H4895 or Big Game with 150s?

If you can't get the gun to shoot with this, it ain't going to shoot!!!

 

[Guest]

Scotty,
It was a good round for me at one time. First deer I shot here in Tennessee was a buck at 75 yds through the ribs, straight through shot, put an exit hole the size of a lemon! Realized it was smoking fast for a Ballistic Tip. Stepped up to the 150 AccuBond at the same speed. Shot Buck at 60 yds from treestand, tore the should blade all to heck, buck acted like he was never shot ran off and never bled a drop. Found him dead 100 yds away.

Although the load is good and did the job I decided to go up to the 165 Ballistic Tip for little more weight. Getting 2830 fps now cuts holes too. Shot one doe with it in the neck at 50 yds it was
DRT. Haven't had the opportunity to get another deer with the load yet.

Lately I'm just SPOILED with the 35 Whelen! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: What else is there to say?

Don

 

[DrMike]

Lately I'm just SPOILED with the 35 Whelen! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: What else is there to say?

Don

Another discerning rifle crank. Welcome to the dark side, Don.

 

[SJB358]

Lately I'm just SPOILED with the 35 Whelen! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: What else is there to say?

Don

It's funny Don, I just finished reading a book written by Elmer Keith in 1936. With the bullets available back then and such, his opinion of how bigger bores kill much better all the time holds alot of common sense. Granted, we can get away with much smaller bores today, due to greater bullets, but the 35 Whelen never shrinks when it hits either!