165gr .308

[pisc1024]

that speer had a .52 b.c... why do people prefer the nosler?

If you run the numbers there is a sub MOA difference in drop between the two, the Partition at .410 BC and the Speer at .520 BC at 2640 FPS out to about 475 Yds. The drop for the Partition at 300 Yds is 15.9 inches vs the drop for the Speer 14.9 inches. Now I'm a pretty good shot, but I know in a field setting that 1 inch difference at 300 Yds is not going to mean anything. If you are concerned about wind a 5 MPH wind at 300 will push the Partition off 4.2 inches and the Speer off 3.3 inches. In all reality the cant of your rifle left or right a few degrees could account for a larger dispersion than the above listed windage numbers. Bottom line: what you see on paper is only about half the story on a good day, those numbers have to be looked at in a realistic light by the shooter.
For the record though I was impressed by the Speer, the Partition is the same old consistent and boring thing lol.

Good observation, pisc1024. Either bullet will perform well, and at longer distances velocity will have dropped enough to ensure that either will give good performance.

I think that people get too worried about the numbers sometimes. When you actually get out and shoot, you tend to realize that in most hunting situations those numbers mean a lot less than you thought they did. I agree that BC is a big deal when you are shooting in heavy wind at 500 plus meters, but most hunters have no business taking a shot like that on a regular basis with out training, equipment, and knowledge of his or her gear, and more importantly an honest assessment of his or her ability.

 

[SJB358]

I think that people get tol worried about the numbers sometimes. When you actually get out and shoot, you tend to realize that in most hunting situations those numbers mean a lot less than you thought they did. I agree that BC is a big deal when you are shooting in heavy wind at 500 plus meters, but most hunters have no business taking a shot like that on a regular basis with out training, equipment, and knowledge of his or her gear, and more importantly an hones assessment of his or her ability.

I couldn't agree more. For me, 600 and under hunting doesn't require a super high BC bullet to get it done. They don't hurt, but I prefer the better bullets with a touch more integrity for the majority of normal hunting shots.

 

[DrMike]

I think that people get tol worried about the numbers sometimes. When you actually get out and shoot, you tend to realize that in most hunting situations those numbers mean a lot less than you thought they did. I agree that BC is a big deal when you are shooting in heavy wind at 500 plus meters, but most hunters have no business taking a shot like that on a regular basis with out training, equipment, and knowledge of his or her gear, and more importantly an hones assessment of his or her ability.

I couldn't agree more. For me, 600 and under hunting doesn't require a super high BC bullet to get it done. They don't hurt, but I prefer the better bullets with a touch more integrity for the majority of normal hunting shots.

True, dat.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Pisc, the reason that I said what I did is: that is real life. I have killed many, many whitetail and mule deer with the 165 Partition handloaded in a .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30-06 and .300 H&H. This is over 51 years with zero failure to kill and all but one killed with one shot. Ranges have been from 50 to 425 yards.

The Speer .52 BC bullet is a cup and core BT bullet which at .30-06 or above velocities would shed its core probably more than half the time and not be a dependable deer killer.

I will not shoot a game animal with a bullet that will not hold together and kill the animal by design. The Partition will and in 50 years I have never had a bullet failure with the 165 gr, .308 Partition. That is why I said what I did, also because boring may in some cases be best, especially if you are being charged by a grizzly!

 

[Guy Miner]

OT3, you realize that you're agreeing with pisc1024, not arguing with him?

 

[Oldtrader3]

The only disagreement that I had with him was calling the Partition boring! How can you call perfect hunting bullets boring?

 

[Elkman]

Charlie
They are boring they do the same thing, at just about any range, and velocity. They expand, push their way out the other side, and in most cases leave a blood trail a blind man can follow. Just think how much more exciting it is trying to find game with no blood, no broken shoulders, or with the bullet mushroomed up against the shoulder blade. Think about it, their stellar performance "is" boring. Why else would you and I still be using them after 50 years?

 

[Oldtrader3]

Bill, you are absolutely right and I knew the minute that I tried one of the Partitions and it killed a deer DRT, that they were going to be boring me for a long time and thank goodness, they have!