keith.webb
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I have a new 358 win and have the 225 accubonds I have seen people using RL10x and CFE223 but I can’t find peoples load data. If anyone could help me out with a start point I would appreciate it.
225 accubonds
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this may help you. https://www.nosler.com/358-winchester
Hello, welcome to the forum.
I haven't tried either powder with the 225 gr AB, but have tried
I do have load data for a max(?) load of
I have tried the HSM factory 225 gr SGK ammo in my rifles and produced the following:
NOTE: The BLR will consistently produce 1" groups @ 100 yards with its preferred load of the Speer 220 gr Hot Cor FP and 50.0 gr of Win 748 at 2209 fps. As I am now down to my last few rounds, is it time to make some new loads! (And develop a good load for the new bolt action! Hoping to also load the 225 gr AB for it.)
This rifle has been reliable, and used extensively as my backup camp rifle, saddle gun, back up guiding and archery hunting rifle, and been packed on the atv and now for the past 20+ years. It has accounted for deer, moose, elk ,and backed up DrMike on his grizzly bear, over those years. And the longest shot was on the grizzly at 140 yards; all others being 100 yards and less on the game mentioned. All recovered bullets were nicely mushroomed (approx. 2 times expansion) and weighed in the 60-70% weight retention.
As a comparison, for those interested, for factory ammo in these rifles:
Winchester's 200 gr Power Point factory ammo: (one of my favourite factory ammo bullets in lever actions - great on-game performance over the years!)
The new custom Rem 700 is showing some great potential!
As you can see, I am a fan of the 358 Win! And have had a great deal of fun packing the BLR on many adventures over the past couple of decades.
I hope that you can find a great load for your rifle, and enjoy it as much as I have!
I haven't tried either powder with the 225 gr AB, but have tried
- 47.5 gr of Win 748 w/ the 225 gr Partitions for a 1.2" groups in my BLR.
- Sorry, I did not have a chrony back then and cannot give any further data out of my rifle's 20" barrel.
- 35.5 gr of Re-7 with the 225 gr Partition in the same rifle, and was able to chrony that load @ 2160 fps with 1.1" groups.
- 48.5 gr of Win 748 for approx. 2426 fps
- 49.5 gr of IMR4895 for approx. 2528 fps.
I do have load data for a max(?) load of
- 50.0 gr of CFE 223 with the 225 gr SGK bullets (sorry, no velocity data recorded for this load to try), but have not yet tried it.
I have tried the HSM factory 225 gr SGK ammo in my rifles and produced the following:
- BLR: 2278 fps (2400 fps is spec) and 3.267" group @ 100 yards
- Rem 700: 2411 fps and 0.642" group @ 100 yards
- 2645 fps (2545 fps is spec) and produced a 1.289" group.
NOTE: The BLR will consistently produce 1" groups @ 100 yards with its preferred load of the Speer 220 gr Hot Cor FP and 50.0 gr of Win 748 at 2209 fps. As I am now down to my last few rounds, is it time to make some new loads! (And develop a good load for the new bolt action! Hoping to also load the 225 gr AB for it.)
This rifle has been reliable, and used extensively as my backup camp rifle, saddle gun, back up guiding and archery hunting rifle, and been packed on the atv and now for the past 20+ years. It has accounted for deer, moose, elk ,and backed up DrMike on his grizzly bear, over those years. And the longest shot was on the grizzly at 140 yards; all others being 100 yards and less on the game mentioned. All recovered bullets were nicely mushroomed (approx. 2 times expansion) and weighed in the 60-70% weight retention.
As a comparison, for those interested, for factory ammo in these rifles:
Winchester's 200 gr Power Point factory ammo: (one of my favourite factory ammo bullets in lever actions - great on-game performance over the years!)
- BLR: is producing 38 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps), and a 2.242" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 50 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.588" group at 100 yards.
- BLR: is producing just 1 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps) despite the 20" barrel, and a 2.350" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 68 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.888" group at 100 yards.
- BLR: is producing 5 fps more than spec velocity (2475 fps), and a 2.719" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 45 fps over spec velocity , and a 1.072" group at 100 yards.
The new custom Rem 700 is showing some great potential!
As you can see, I am a fan of the 358 Win! And have had a great deal of fun packing the BLR on many adventures over the past couple of decades.
I hope that you can find a great load for your rifle, and enjoy it as much as I have!
RL338
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Hello, welcome to the forum.
I haven't tried either powder with the 225 gr AB, but have tried
I later tried
- 47.5 gr of Win 748 w/ the 225 gr Partitions for a 1.2" groups in my BLR.
- Sorry, I did not have a chrony back then and cannot give any further data out of my rifle's 20" barrel.
I do have data for the 225 gr AB listing with a max(?) load of
- 35.5 gr of Re-7 with the 225 gr Partition in the same rifle, and was able to chrony that load @ 2160 fps with 1.1" groups.
I have not yet tried either of these loads in the BLR, or my new custom LH Rem 700 w/ a 22" McGowan barrel.
- 48.5 gr of Win 748 for approx. 2426 fps
- 49.5 gr of IMR4895 for approx. 2528 fps.
I do have load data for a max(?) load of
You can try these, working up to max to verify safe in your rifle and see how they perform.
- 50.0 gr of CFE 223 with the 225 gr SGK bullets (sorry, no velocity data recorded for this load to try), but have not yet tried it.
I have tried the HSM factory 225 gr SGK ammo in my rifles and produced the following:
I have also tried the Buffalo Bore 225 gr SGK ammo in the Rem 700 and it produced the following
- BLR: 2278 fps (2400 fps is spec) and 3.267" group @ 100 yards
- Rem 700: 2411 fps and 0.642" group @ 100 yards
At just over 230 fps faster velocity, the Buffalo Bore ammo is producing an additional 583 ft.lbs of muzzle energy, it is carrying over 2000 ft. lbs of energy at 300 yards compared to the HSM ammo which has the same energy at 200 yards, with the same 225 gr bullet. Definitely big bear medicine!
- 2645 fps (2545 fps is spec) and produced a 1.289" group.
NOTE: The BLR will consistently produce 1" groups @ 100 yards with its preferred load of the Speer 220 gr Hot Cor FP and 50.0 gr of Win 748 at 2209 fps. As I am now down to my last few rounds, is it time to make some new loads! (And develop a good load for the new bolt action! Hoping to also load the 225 gr AB for it.)
This rifle has been reliable, and used extensively as my backup camp rifle, saddle gun, back up guiding and archery hunting rifle, and been packed on the atv and now for the past 20+ years. It has accounted for deer, moose, elk ,and backed up DrMike on his grizzly bear, over those years. And the longest shot was on the grizzly at 140 yards; all others being 100 yards and less on the game mentioned. All recovered bullets were nicely mushroomed (approx. 2 times expansion) and weighed in the 60-70% weight retention.
As a comparison, for those interested, for factory ammo in these rifles:
Winchester's 200 gr Power Point factory ammo: (one of my favourite factory ammo bullets in lever actions - great on-game performance over the years!)
Winchester's 200 gr Silver Tip factory ammo:
- BLR: is producing 38 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps), and a 2.242" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 50 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.588" group at 100 yards.
Hornady's 200 gr Interlock factory ammo:
- BLR: is producing just 1 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps) despite the 20" barrel, and a 2.350" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 68 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.888" group at 100 yards.
I do wish that Hornady would have loaded the 225 gr instead of the 200 gr when they brought out their 358 WIn ammo.
- BLR: is producing 5 fps more than spec velocity (2475 fps), and a 2.719" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 45 fps over spec velocity , and a 1.072" group at 100 yards.
The new custom Rem 700 is showing some great potential!
As you can see, I am a fan of the 358 Win! And have had a great deal of fun packing the BLR on many adventures over the past couple of decades.
I hope that you can find a great load for your rifle, and enjoy it as much as I have!
lots of data there and hard work put in.
DrMike
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Code:
Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 42.092 grain H2O = 2.733 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch = 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-10x *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 95 34.92 2191 2399 42008 4921 99.3 1.295
-09.0 96 35.31 2213 2446 43362 4957 99.5 1.277
-08.0 98 35.70 2234 2494 44760 4992 99.6 1.260
-07.0 99 36.08 2255 2541 46204 5024 99.7 1.243
-06.0 100 36.47 2276 2589 47695 5055 99.8 1.226
-05.0 101 36.86 2297 2637 49235 5084 99.9 1.210
-04.0 102 37.25 2318 2685 50826 5110 100.0 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 103 37.64 2339 2734 52470 5135 100.0 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 104 38.02 2360 2782 54169 5158 100.0 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 38.41 2381 2831 55925 5179 100.0 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 38.80 2401 2880 57741 5199 100.0 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 39.19 2421 2930 59619 5220 100.0 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 39.58 2442 2979 61561 5240 100.0 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 109 39.96 2462 3029 63570 5259 100.0 1.090 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 40.35 2482 3078 65650 5278 100.0 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 111 40.74 2502 3128 67803 5297 100.0 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 38.80 2442 2980 63480 5068 100.0 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 38.80 2349 2757 52094 5331 99.7 1.177 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
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With CFE223 you will be hard pressed to get a maximum charge in the case.
Code:
Cartridge : .358 Win.
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 42.092 grain H2O = 2.733 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch = 70.61 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon CFE223 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 104 43.83 2142 2291 38998 5380 85.1 1.317
-09.0 105 44.32 2169 2351 40490 5462 85.8 1.296
-08.0 106 44.80 2197 2411 42049 5542 86.6 1.274
-07.0 107 45.29 2225 2473 43684 5621 87.3 1.253
-06.0 108 45.78 2253 2536 45397 5699 87.9 1.232
-05.0 109 46.27 2281 2600 47192 5774 88.6 1.212
-04.0 111 46.75 2310 2665 49077 5848 89.3 1.191
-03.0 112 47.24 2338 2731 51057 5920 89.9 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 113 47.73 2367 2799 53137 5990 90.5 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 114 48.21 2396 2868 55325 6058 91.1 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 115 48.70 2425 2938 57630 6123 91.7 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 116 49.19 2454 3009 60061 6186 92.3 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 117 49.67 2484 3082 62626 6246 92.9 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 119 50.16 2513 3156 65334 6304 93.4 1.058 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 120 50.65 2543 3231 68199 6359 94.0 1.040 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 121 51.14 2573 3308 71233 6411 94.5 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 115 48.70 2506 3138 63401 6235 95.2 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 115 48.70 2334 2722 52207 5928 87.3 1.166 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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keith.webb
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Dr Mike thank you for this! Gives me a start point. Is this data on a website somewhere?
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keith.webb
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Thanks for the great information, mine will be bear and moose up in Alaska. I’ll look for some of those other powders you mentioned.Hello, welcome to the forum.
I haven't tried either powder with the 225 gr AB, but have tried
I later tried
- 47.5 gr of Win 748 w/ the 225 gr Partitions for a 1.2" groups in my BLR.
- Sorry, I did not have a chrony back then and cannot give any further data out of my rifle's 20" barrel.
I do have data for the 225 gr AB listing with a max(?) load of
- 35.5 gr of Re-7 with the 225 gr Partition in the same rifle, and was able to chrony that load @ 2160 fps with 1.1" groups.
I have not yet tried either of these loads in the BLR, or my new custom LH Rem 700 w/ a 22" McGowan barrel.
- 48.5 gr of Win 748 for approx. 2426 fps
- 49.5 gr of IMR4895 for approx. 2528 fps.
I do have load data for a max(?) load of
You can try these, working up to max to verify safe in your rifle and see how they perform.
- 50.0 gr of CFE 223 with the 225 gr SGK bullets (sorry, no velocity data recorded for this load to try), but have not yet tried it.
I have tried the HSM factory 225 gr SGK ammo in my rifles and produced the following:
I have also tried the Buffalo Bore 225 gr SGK ammo in the Rem 700 and it produced the following
- BLR: 2278 fps (2400 fps is spec) and 3.267" group @ 100 yards
- Rem 700: 2411 fps and 0.642" group @ 100 yards
At just over 230 fps faster velocity, the Buffalo Bore ammo is producing an additional 583 ft.lbs of muzzle energy, it is carrying over 2000 ft. lbs of energy at 300 yards compared to the HSM ammo which has the same energy at 200 yards, with the same 225 gr bullet. Definitely big bear medicine!
- 2645 fps (2545 fps is spec) and produced a 1.289" group.
NOTE: The BLR will consistently produce 1" groups @ 100 yards with its preferred load of the Speer 220 gr Hot Cor FP and 50.0 gr of Win 748 at 2209 fps. As I am now down to my last few rounds, is it time to make some new loads! (And develop a good load for the new bolt action! Hoping to also load the 225 gr AB for it.)
This rifle has been reliable, and used extensively as my backup camp rifle, saddle gun, back up guiding and archery hunting rifle, and been packed on the atv and now for the past 20+ years. It has accounted for deer, moose, elk ,and backed up DrMike on his grizzly bear, over those years. And the longest shot was on the grizzly at 140 yards; all others being 100 yards and less on the game mentioned. All recovered bullets were nicely mushroomed (approx. 2 times expansion) and weighed in the 60-70% weight retention.
As a comparison, for those interested, for factory ammo in these rifles:
Winchester's 200 gr Power Point factory ammo: (one of my favourite factory ammo bullets in lever actions - great on-game performance over the years!)
Winchester's 200 gr Silver Tip factory ammo:
- BLR: is producing 38 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps), and a 2.242" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 50 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.588" group at 100 yards.
Hornady's 200 gr Interlock factory ammo:
- BLR: is producing just 1 fps less than spec velocity (2490 fps) despite the 20" barrel, and a 2.350" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 68 fps over spec velocity, and a 0.888" group at 100 yards.
I do wish that Hornady would have loaded the 225 gr instead of the 200 gr when they brought out their 358 WIn ammo.
- BLR: is producing 5 fps more than spec velocity (2475 fps), and a 2.719" group at 100 yards.
- Rem 700: is producing 45 fps over spec velocity , and a 1.072" group at 100 yards.
The new custom Rem 700 is showing some great potential!
As you can see, I am a fan of the 358 Win! And have had a great deal of fun packing the BLR on many adventures over the past couple of decades.
I hope that you can find a great load for your rifle, and enjoy it as much as I have!
DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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Start ~5% below max. In the case of 10X, start ~36.8 and work up. If you try to stuff CFE223 into the case, start at ~46.3 and work up.
DrMike
Ballistician
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I did use the 225 g AB in one load in my BLR 358. I had fine accuracy and good velocity with 47 grains of Varget. I have had very good accuracy and reasonable velocities with A2015 (43 grains/225 TSX, 42.5 grains/225 SIE BT), w748 (52 Grains/225 TSX, 46.5 grains/225 NOS PT), 10X (41.5 grains/SIE BT), TAC (45 grains/225 SIE BT). The rifles accounted for bison (though definitely underpowered for bison), black bears, elk, moose, whitetail, and mule deer. I usually preferred the 200 grain TSX over a charge of 47 grains of IMR3031.
Anytime.
Hope you have a great adventure in Alaska with your 358!
What rifle do you have?
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keith.webb
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- Jan 31, 2025
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I had a Remington 700 VTR rebored to 358. It’ll be a sweet little woods rifle.
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keith.webb
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The rebore retained it. I believe it’s a 20 inch barrel then the break.
DrMike used QuickLoad software to provide the data for you.
It is a great program for determining potential safe loads for various cartridges, powders, bullets, etc.
You can look at pressure data for your cartridge that will be safe in your rifle's action, data for your length of barrel, pressure curves, different loads based on your brass' case capacity, case powder fill %, % of powder burnt (efficiency), etc....very useful and informative!
The program requires annual updates for new cartridges, powders, bullets, etc.
I have it too, but am having issues with it on my laptop at the moment...(Norton isn't liking it!?!?), and I haven't had an update in a couple of years.
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