244 H & H

[Thankful Otter]

o.k. dewey, you are up!

my grandfather ask me to ask you as well as others here on the forum, who might want to contribute to providing us with your idea of a perfect wolf load for this caliber.

thanks in advance as I am working and may not be able to respond for a while

 

[Dwh7271]

Well, if you're saving pelts the 90 gr AB shouldn't tear them up too bad.
Here are the powder runs for you:

Cartridge          : .244 H&H Mag. Belted
Bullet             : .243, 90, Nosler Accubond 56357
Useable Case Capaci: 80.171 grain H2O = 5.205 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.640 inch = 92.46 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

58 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218                        100.5     79.1     5.12    3586    98.5    63000   20433   1.118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N570                     96.1     74.9     4.85    3536    97.7    63000   19881   1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 80                   98.9     79.3     5.14    3515    98.6    63000   19485   1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-33                  97.7     78.3     5.08    3512    98.1    63000   19537   1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H870                       101.9     77.8     5.04    3503    99.0    63000   19116   1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2225                         99.5     74.0     4.79    3499   100.0    63000   17509   1.136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo                     99.5     74.0     4.79    3499   100.0    63000   17509   1.136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828                            92.8     66.7     4.32    3493    99.8    63000   17644   1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 217                          101.5     73.9     4.79    3492   100.0    63000   18033   1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-50                 101.8     81.3     5.27    3491    97.6    63000   19840   1.179  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP30                         95.6     70.7     4.58    3481    99.9    63000   17954   1.145  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2                         95.6     70.7     4.58    3481    99.9    63000   17954   1.145  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517                 91.1     71.8     4.66    3480    99.9    63000   17697   1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 12                   90.9     71.7     4.65    3479   100.0    63000   17659   1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214                         92.5     70.9     4.60    3475    99.9    63000   17232   1.117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H1000                       97.2     71.1     4.61    3473    99.9    63000   17186   1.117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2217                         97.2     71.1     4.61    3473    99.9    63000   17186   1.117  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR                      91.5     66.9     4.34    3467   100.0    63000   17306   1.129  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP15                         91.5     66.9     4.34    3467   100.0    63000   17306   1.129  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25                  93.5     68.7     4.45    3465   100.0    63000   16681   1.134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation        92.7     69.8     4.53    3457    98.9    63000   17371   1.110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R905                       90.7     66.5     4.31    3454    99.6    63000   17176   1.123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 24N41                    99.5     78.4     5.08    3453    93.3    63000   18331   1.124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 8700                      106.5     82.2     5.32    3452    97.7    63000   18101   1.140  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon 50BMG                      104.8     78.6     5.10    3450    89.6    63000   18681   1.131  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 102.7     80.3     5.20    3439    91.1    63000   19167   1.174  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 20N29                   106.4     84.6     5.48    3435    95.7    63000   18484   1.158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831                       92.1     66.1     4.29    3433    99.5    63000   16664   1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon US 869                     104.3     82.1     5.32    3430    93.4    63000   18271   1.142  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  106.2     80.2     5.20    3428    97.3    63000   17923   1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       107.9     81.5     5.28    3428    96.4    63000   18055   1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N170                    100.4     73.4     4.75    3408    96.8    63000   17271   1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-23                  90.9     65.7     4.26    3403   100.0    63000   15542   1.141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N160                     92.6     65.6     4.25    3393    99.8    63000   15821   1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D100                          97.6     77.6     5.03    3386    94.1    63000   17050   1.133  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N165                     91.9     67.2     4.35    3385   100.0    63000   15547   1.126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S071                          94.7     66.2     4.29    3368   100.0    63000   15326   1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
NC A3502 ,test only                110.0     79.5     5.15    3280    79.8    54416   17698   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           110.0     79.5     5.15    3231    80.9    52931   17008   1.212
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       110.0     79.5     5.15    2320    39.7    27315    8808   1.639

Don't know what powder your grandfather has on hand but here's 7828.

Cartridge          : .244 H&H Mag. Belted
Bullet             : .243, 90, Nosler Accubond 56357
Useable Case Capaci: 80.171 grain H2O = 5.205 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.640 inch = 92.46 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   70    53.44   2797    1564   33313  14094     91.2    1.497
-18.0   72    54.78   2868    1644   35582  14559     92.5    1.461
-16.0   74    56.11   2939    1726   38019  15006     93.8    1.421
-14.0   76    57.45   3010    1810   40601  15432     95.0    1.375
-12.0   77    58.78   3081    1896   43317  15836     96.1    1.334
-10.0   79    60.12   3151    1984   46185  16215     97.0    1.293
-08.0   81    61.46   3222    2074   49226  16567     97.8    1.254
-06.0   83    62.79   3292    2165   52449  16890     98.5    1.217
-04.0   84    64.13   3361    2258   55867  17181     99.1    1.181  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   86    65.46   3430    2352   59491  17439     99.5    1.146  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   88    66.80   3499    2447   63334  17663     99.8    1.113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   90    68.14   3567    2542   67411  17849    100.0    1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   92    69.47   3634    2639   71739  18000    100.0    1.050  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0   93    70.81   3700    2736   76333  18139    100.0    1.020  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0   95    72.14   3766    2834   81215  18274    100.0    0.991  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0   97    73.48   3831    2932   86404  18403    100.0    0.964  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     88    66.80   3650    2662   75074  17123    100.0    1.028  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     88    66.80   3283    2154   51546  17430     95.6    1.224

H1000 should do well in that big case I would think.

Cartridge          : .244 H&H Mag. Belted
Bullet             : .243, 90, Nosler Accubond 56357
Useable Case Capaci: 80.171 grain H2O = 5.205 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.640 inch = 92.46 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   78    56.72   2729    1488   31403  13634     90.3    1.529
-18.0   80    58.14   2802    1569   33618  14114     91.9    1.490
-16.0   81    59.56   2875    1652   36002  14573     93.4    1.452
-14.0   83    60.97   2949    1738   38549  15010     94.7    1.409
-12.0   85    62.39   3023    1826   41284  15420     95.9    1.363
-10.0   87    63.81   3097    1917   44217  15801     97.0    1.319
-08.0   89    65.23   3171    2010   47368  16149     97.9    1.276
-06.0   91    66.65   3245    2104   50756  16462     98.6    1.235
-04.0   93    68.06   3318    2201   54399  16738     99.2    1.196  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   95    69.48   3391    2299   58291  16973     99.7    1.158  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   97    70.90   3464    2398   62440  17165     99.9    1.121  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   99    72.32   3536    2498   66882  17313    100.0    1.086  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  101    73.74   3607    2600   71644  17434    100.0    1.052  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  103    75.15   3677    2702   76751  17550    100.0    1.019  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  105    76.57   3747    2805   82235  17660    100.0    0.988  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  107    77.99   3816    2910   88131  17764    100.0    0.957  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     97    70.90   3621    2620   75231  16592    100.0    1.032  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     97    70.90   3236    2093   50087  16970     95.6    1.239

Or some RL25?

Cartridge          : .244 H&H Mag. Belted
Bullet             : .243, 90, Nosler Accubond 56357
Useable Case Capaci: 80.171 grain H2O = 5.205 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.640 inch = 92.46 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-25

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   74    54.68   2780    1545   32197  14159     96.6    1.534
-18.0   76    56.05   2850    1623   34433  14547     97.6    1.497
-16.0   78    57.41   2919    1703   36824  14904     98.4    1.460
-14.0   80    58.78   2988    1784   39381  15225     99.1    1.415
-12.0   82    60.15   3056    1866   42086  15509     99.6    1.371
-10.0   84    61.52   3123    1949   44933  15754     99.9    1.329
-08.0   86    62.88   3190    2033   47946  15956    100.0    1.289
-06.0   87    64.25   3256    2118   51137  16132    100.0    1.250
-04.0   89    65.62   3320    2203   54516  16304    100.0    1.213  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   91    66.98   3384    2289   58095  16472    100.0    1.177  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   93    68.35   3447    2375   61885  16636    100.0    1.143  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0   95    69.72   3509    2461   65900  16796    100.0    1.110  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   97    71.08   3571    2548   70155  16952    100.0    1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0   99    72.45   3632    2636   74665  17104    100.0    1.048  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  100    73.82   3692    2724   79448  17251    100.0    1.019  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  102    75.19   3752    2813   84523  17395    100.0    0.991  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     93    68.35   3577    2556   74026  16181    100.0    1.054  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     93    68.35   3251    2113   49537  17145     99.4    1.263

Or if you'd rather shoot Partitions, here you go.

Cartridge          : .244 H&H Mag. Belted
Bullet             : .243, 100, Nosler PART SP 35642
Useable Case Capaci: 80.602 grain H2O = 5.233 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.640 inch = 92.46 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

66 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2218                         98.0     77.6     5.03    3451    99.2    63000   20844   1.164  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N570                     93.6     73.3     4.75    3398    98.5    63000   20263   1.189  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 80                   96.4     77.7     5.03    3379    99.3    63000   19854   1.196  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-33                  95.3     76.8     4.98    3376    98.8    63000   19930   1.196  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H870                        99.3     76.2     4.94    3365    99.6    63000   19436   1.197  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-50                  99.2     79.7     5.16    3359    98.4    63000   20273   1.225  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Retumbo                     96.9     72.4     4.69    3350   100.0    63000   17665   1.183  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2225                         96.9     72.4     4.69    3350   100.0    63000   17665   1.183  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828                            90.5     65.4     4.24    3350   100.0    63000   17804   1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 217                           98.8     72.3     4.68    3346   100.0    63000   18175   1.207  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP 2                         93.2     69.2     4.49    3339   100.0    63000   18110   1.190  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP30                         93.2     69.2     4.49    3339   100.0    63000   18110   1.190  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AP 2214                         90.2     69.6     4.51    3333   100.0    63000   17393   1.162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H1000                       94.8     69.7     4.52    3331   100.0    63000   17349   1.162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2217                         94.8     69.7     4.52    3331   100.0    63000   17349   1.162  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 24N41                    97.3     77.0     4.99    3328    94.7    63000   18896   1.168  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon 50BMG                      102.5     77.3     5.01    3327    91.2    63000   19334   1.175  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 8700                      104.0     80.7     5.23    3321    98.5    63000   18536   1.186  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation        90.5     68.6     4.44    3320    99.5    63000   17661   1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 100.3     78.8     5.11    3316    92.5    63000   19788   1.218  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-25                  91.1     67.3     4.36    3315   100.0    63000   16809   1.180  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 20N29                   104.0     83.1     5.39    3309    96.8    63000   19015   1.204  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon US 869                     101.9     80.7     5.23    3307    94.7    63000   18853   1.186  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       105.4     80.1     5.19    3302    97.4    63000   18537   1.195  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  103.7     78.8     5.10    3300    98.2    63000   18358   1.196  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N170                     98.1     72.1     4.67    3279    97.8    63000   17677   1.182  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
NC A3502 ,test only                110.0     80.0     5.18    3279    86.0    58564   19812   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100                          95.5     76.4     4.95    3263    95.3    63000   17566   1.176  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N160                     90.5     64.5     4.18    3255   100.0    63000   15998   1.154  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S071                          92.4     64.9     4.21    3225   100.0    63000   15448   1.197  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           110.0     80.0     5.18    3217    84.8    57478   18381   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       110.0     80.0     5.18    2320    42.9    29312    9917   1.651

 

[6mm Remington]

What a cool cartridge but then you know anything 6mm I am kind of partial too. I agree that the 90 gr. AccuBond would be a really good one as would the 100 gr. Partition. Both hold together nicely and won't tear him up too badly. I don't think it matters what bullet you use if you hit shoulder bone just right especially on the exit, the bone fragments can really put a nasty hole in things. At least that's what I have observed on coyotes. I would think it might hold true for wolves also.

 

[JD338]

Cheyenne,

I agree with the others that the 90 gr AB would be a great choice for wolf.
The 90 gr E-Tip would be another bullet to consider too.

JD338

 

[IdahoCTD]

I'd look at the slowest stick powders like R-50, R-33, N-570, or Retumbo. I shoot Retumbo in my 243AI and it's quite bit less capacity compared to a 244 H&H. I think I'd lean towards R-50 for a starting point.

 

[Dwh7271]

I'd imagine that would be a good choice in that big case. I didn't know what powders he had on hand so I picked a few common ones. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if 869 would work. :grin:

 

[IdahoCTD]

869 is a ball powder though and very temp sensitive compared to the others. That's why I'd stick with the stick powders. If you never shoot past about 300yds the large velocity changes don't matter much but past that, on a wolf size animal, they could easily mean a miss. I doubt they have any of the super slow powders. The slowest powders are primarily wildcat cartridge country. There are very few factory calibers overbore enough to need R-50 with the exception of the 6.5-300 Bee and 26 Nosler. Most likely the slowest they would have would be H-1000 for the 275 H&H.

I shot Retumbo and R-33 in my 6WSM and it shot 105 Amax's just under 3600fps (3580fps if I remember right) in a 28" barrel. R-50 would of probably got it to 3600 but I didn't have any at the time I was playing with it. That's some pretty flat trajectory. The 6.5-300 Bee would be similar on a bigger scale.

 

[6mm Remington]

Cheyenne,

I agree with the others that the 90 gr AB would be a great choice for wolf.
The 90 gr E-Tip would be another bullet to consider too.

JD338

I completely agree Jim as you cannot destroy those things even at close range. I completely forgot to mention the E-tips!

 

[Europe]

dewey, I have not been able to get in touch with her, she is probably on the job so to speak, but I know her grandfather likes Vihtavuori and probably has some but I don't know what or even if. Because of the area in which she lives and hunts, I would think VV might be a good one or what about the Hodgdon Extreme's Also they sell the pelts, so I was wondering if the Swift Sciro's would be worth a thought, but definitely the E-Tips suggested by Jim and David should work.

Are you going up to god's country to help her develop this load ? I would love to spend some time in that area----in the summer!!!!!!

 

[Dwh7271]

I agree, summer would be best.
VV560 or 570 should do ok if he has those.
The etip would probably tear them up less but anything at 3300 or 3400 is going to cause some damage (other than maybe a FMJ) :grin:

 

[IdahoCTD]

I'd almost drive a 70gr NBT (a Hornady Vmax or Sierra Blitz King could be substituted as well) over 4000fps and try to keep it inside of the wolf if I was trying to save hides. Like Dewey said, just about anything you shoot at 3400+fps (except a FMJ) is going to tear some stuff up. VV570 would be the best bet with the heavier 90+gr bullets.

 

[Africa Huntress]

Cheyenne, I realize your main reason for getting the 244 was to expand your H & H collection and to that end congratulations. I am sure it will reach waaaay out there and down down a wolf, but I have some concern about the pelt, since I know you sell them.

I have no reloading advise for this caliber, but do have a question for other members

Canada---Dr Mike, Gil, and other Canada members I do not know, can you hunt with a FMJ bullet in Canada, and if so, when do you use it, if you do

Alaska---Hodgeman, Bear78, Brooke and other Alaska members I do not know, can you hunt with a FMJ bullet in Alaska and if so when do you use it, if you do

Best Regards

Jamila

 

[D21ALASKA]

Alaska---Hodgeman, Bear78, Brooke and other Alaska members I do not know, can you hunt with a FMJ bullet in Alaska and if so when do you use it, if you do

Best Regards

Jamila

There are no restrictions, that I see listed anywhere in the regs., that would prevent someone in Alaska from using FMJ bullets. I also recall hearing about people doing so on another forum. I don't use them personally as I feel they don't/wouldn't provide enough knock down power on an animal. I've heard stories of coyotes being shot with them up here and going for miles. Precise shot placement, through the heart, would minimize that I'm sure; but even a good lung shot with one I think would still enable the animal to travel a fair distance before piling up.

 

[69gto]

No wolves where I live yet, but I shot a coyote at 30 yards with the wife's 270 with a Barnes 110g TTSX going 3400fps and the exit hole in shoulder was bigger than my fist. I would think the Nosler etip would do the same. I agree that a light varmint BT would probably stay inside and do less damage. Although at close range the solid base may still exit.

 

[alaska100]

My uncle just told me that there is, or was, a fellow here in Alaska that hunts wolves all over the state using a 243wssm and FMJ bullets. Hopefully hodgeman or bear78 will be along to enlighten us further. Brooke

 

[Anonymous]

Alaska---Hodgeman, Bear78, Brooke and other Alaska members I do not know, can you hunt with a FMJ bullet in Alaska and if so when do you use it, if you do

Best Regards

Jamila

You can use FMJs up here if you want to....I'm not sure at the speeds you're talking it'll make much difference for pelt damage if you draw a close shot.

I know several guys who use the .243WIN for wolves to good effect Most use a standard 90-100gr. big game load. My chance at a wolf came at close range with a .300WSM- bullet choice wouldn't have made a difference..the hide needed a bunch of sewing to stitch it up. The pelt damage was fearful.

I personally would use the 90AB,BT or ETip and just roll with it. No need to load the .244H&H to the gills either as the .243/6mm class do just fine. I'd look for accuracy first and wouldn't sweat speed.

It's worth mentioning that wolves generally go 100lbs + in the Interior and that's about the size of whitetails in TN. No reason to not use a whitetail appropriate cartridge and bullet. I've got a .223 that I use for fox, coyote, and lynx...but wolves need more gun IMHO. They average 3x bigger than the biggest coyote and are much tougher as well. A truly big male can go 140-150lbs...in my book that's well out of the 55gr .223 class and into the realm of big game. I think the .244H&H is just fine for them.

 

[Anonymous]

As a post-script....

I've always seen wolves while hunting caribou and have never seen a wolf when there wasn't a herd of caribou milling about.

A .244H&H pushing a 90/100 AB, BT ot ETip would be pretty decent medicine for a caribou as well- especially in winter conditions where the ranges tend to be longer and the terrain is flat and white.

 

[JD338]

Regardless of what you use, stay off the big bones to minimize pelt damage.

JD338

 

[Thankful Otter]

Thank you! All your posts are much appreciated.

Still WAY up north and working, but speaking of Wolves. I have meant to tell you fellows about this video for over a year. As some of you know, although we hunt the wolf for the pelts, we have a different feeling about them than you fellows do in the States. Someone can post this video if they want or just go to ----Arctic Wolves Stroll up to workers in Canada, Telegraph News and watch it. This has happen to me on two different occasions when working in Nunavut, once a single wolf and once a pack of five. In neither case did I shoot any of them. The video I am referencing is a pack of seven, but only three are in the video. In the video and in my experience only one of the pack will get up close and personal

 

[hunternyny]

Thank you! All your posts are much appreciated.

Still WAY up north and working, but speaking of Wolves. I have meant to tell you fellows about this video for over a year. As some of you know, although we hunt the wolf for the pelts, we have a different feeling about them than you fellows do in the States. Someone can post this video if they want or just go to ----Arctic Wolves Stroll up to workers in Canada, Telegraph News and watch it. This has happen to me on two different occasions when working in Nunavut, once a single wolf and once a pack of five. In neither case did I shoot any of them. The video I am referencing is a pack of seven, but only three are in the video. In the video and in my experience only one of the pack will get up close and personal

WOW!!!!!!! That is amazing. Th Arctic Wolves are sure pretty.