300 Weatherby 210 ABLR

[SJB358]

Well, I plan on working with the 210 ABLR's some in my son's new to him 300 Weatherby. I was able to grab some of the 210 ABLR 2nds on SPS, so I figured it would really push them big bullets real nice. I am an avid user of RL22, RL25 and 7828, so with a couple quick looks at QL, those powders seem to do real well with that cartridge and bullet. Nosler has some good data on their online guide as well for 22, 4831 and 4350. All of those would be fine with me as well. It really looks like 2900 or better is an attainable goal.

Any thoughts or advice on seating? I know I won't be reaching the rifling with the bullets, should I just load for Noslers 3.560" COAL and work from there? Also, any of you with already known good loads I'd love to hear about them.

And, the golden question, who has used the 210 ABLR on game. This rifle will be set up strictly for elk. I am sure it'll get used for other stuff, but elk is the main piece of the puzzle. Love to hear some reports, if they are out there.

 

[muleman]

Good thing Brandon's new cannon has a brake on it! I was playing with those 210ABLRs in my Win 70 300RUM and they were fairly stout without a brake. That light MK5 might kick a little without it's brake. They shot well but not great. I plan on finishing load development this spring. I'm pretty sure playing with the OAL they'll tighten up. I was using Retumbo and RL25.
Scott

 

[HTDUCK]

Never shot anything but factory ammo in mine while I had it.
It shot the Weatherby 180 gr loads with Hornady bullets very well.

I seem to remember reading that Weatherby factory ammo used Norma MRP ?
With that case I would also look at H1000 if you have any .

 

[jimbires]

Scotty , I have not tried any of the ABLR's . I've been using H1000 powder , but IMR7828 sure showed some promise . I'm loading 180 accubonds in my 300 wby . only thing I've shot with it has been a couple whitetails . I load to magazine length and work shorter from there . this way you only have one direction to go .
I'm really thinking hard on getting out west again for elk . I planned on getting into a heaver bullet if my trip does happen . I'll be very interested in what you come up with on these ABLR's . Brandon's rifle looks , and sounds , to be a twin to mine .

 

[truck driver]

What little I've shot mine it seems to like the 180gr Hornady SP interlock with 79.5gr of H-4831 .5" groups at 100yds. the 200gr ABs loaded with 74grs of RL22 shoots well also.

 

[JD338]

Scotty,

I would think Retumbo and RL33 would be good powders to try as well.

JD338

 

[wvchevy3]

when I messed with a 300 weatherby it really liked IMR 7828 . Those 210 ablr I suspect will be awesome.Lee

 

[SJB358]

Thanks fella's, seems like anything in the 4350 up RL33 looks pretty good actually.

I might be able to find a little MRP as well to try out. I do have some good hopes for it..

Actually, I have a few rifles I need to get out and shoot, so it should make for a good spring.

This is what QL is looking like with the 210's. Pretty impressive I'd say. This isn't even taking into account the Wby freebore.

Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 66.00 2308 2484 31856 10763 92.1 1.652
-18.0 88 67.65 2370 2620 34144 11113 93.5 1.605
-16.0 90 69.30 2433 2760 36604 11445 94.8 1.560
-14.0 92 70.95 2496 2905 39261 11757 95.9 1.508
-12.0 94 72.60 2559 3054 42122 12046 96.9 1.458
-10.0 96 74.25 2622 3207 45212 12311 97.8 1.409
-08.0 99 75.90 2686 3363 48551 12550 98.5 1.362
-06.0 101 77.55 2749 3524 52167 12759 99.1 1.317
-04.0 103 79.20 2812 3687 56080 12938 99.5 1.273
-02.0 105 80.85 2875 3854 60338 13084 99.8 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 82.50 2937 4023 64962 13197 100.0 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 84.15 2999 4195 70002 13278 100.0 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 85.80 3061 4370 75504 13350 100.0 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 114 87.45 3123 4547 81523 13415 100.0 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 89.10 3184 4727 88125 13474 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 90.75 3245 4910 95387 13526 100.0 1.007 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 82.50 3062 4372 79630 12621 100.0 1.099 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 82.50 2750 3528 52289 13283 96.3 1.310


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 68.89 2338 2550 30939 11620 95.6 1.676
-18.0 90 70.61 2403 2692 33178 11964 96.8 1.629
-16.0 92 72.33 2468 2839 35592 12276 97.9 1.583
-14.0 95 74.05 2532 2990 38197 12555 98.7 1.536
-12.0 97 75.78 2597 3144 41008 12796 99.3 1.483
-10.0 99 77.50 2661 3302 44045 12998 99.7 1.432
-08.0 101 79.22 2725 3462 47332 13159 100.0 1.384
-06.0 103 80.94 2788 3624 50890 13280 100.0 1.337
-04.0 106 82.67 2850 3788 54752 13391 100.0 1.292
-02.0 108 84.39 2912 3955 58946 13496 100.0 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 86.11 2974 4123 63506 13596 100.0 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 87.83 3035 4294 68480 13691 100.0 1.168 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 89.55 3095 4467 73908 13780 100.0 1.129 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 117 91.28 3156 4643 79841 13863 100.0 1.091 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 93.00 3216 4822 86360 13939 100.0 1.055 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 94.72 3276 5005 93518 14008 100.0 1.020 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 86.11 3095 4468 79565 13049 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 86.11 2784 3613 50184 14185 98.9 1.339


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 77 61.60 2340 2552 32799 10928 92.6 1.638
-18.0 79 63.14 2399 2683 35034 11267 93.8 1.594
-16.0 81 64.68 2458 2818 37422 11592 94.9 1.550
-14.0 83 66.22 2518 2956 39972 11900 95.9 1.501
-12.0 85 67.76 2577 3097 42705 12190 96.8 1.454
-10.0 87 69.30 2637 3242 45628 12461 97.6 1.409
-08.0 89 70.84 2696 3389 48756 12710 98.3 1.366
-06.0 91 72.38 2755 3539 52111 12937 98.9 1.324
-04.0 92 73.92 2814 3692 55707 13140 99.3 1.284
-02.0 94 75.46 2872 3846 59570 13318 99.7 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 96 77.00 2930 4004 63717 13470 99.9 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 98 78.54 2988 4163 68145 13594 100.0 1.172 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 100 80.08 3045 4324 72883 13694 100.0 1.137 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 102 81.62 3102 4487 77968 13787 100.0 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 104 83.16 3158 4651 83433 13875 100.0 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 106 84.70 3214 4818 89314 13958 100.0 1.040 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 77.00 3050 4339 76932 12927 100.0 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 77.00 2754 3536 51313 13465 96.0 1.326


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-25

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 64.00 2365 2609 32492 11182 98.1 1.650
-18.0 85 65.60 2424 2741 34750 11447 98.8 1.606
-16.0 87 67.20 2483 2875 37170 11685 99.4 1.562
-14.0 89 68.80 2541 3011 39758 11894 99.7 1.512
-12.0 91 70.40 2599 3149 42538 12073 100.0 1.465
-10.0 93 72.00 2656 3289 45519 12221 100.0 1.419
-08.0 95 73.60 2712 3430 48717 12357 100.0 1.374
-06.0 97 75.20 2768 3573 52154 12489 100.0 1.332
-04.0 99 76.80 2823 3717 55850 12618 100.0 1.291
-02.0 101 78.40 2878 3862 59826 12743 100.0 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 80.00 2932 4009 64106 12864 100.0 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 105 81.60 2986 4157 68681 12981 100.0 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 83.20 3039 4308 73582 13094 100.0 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 84.80 3093 4460 78842 13202 100.0 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 86.40 3146 4614 84495 13305 100.0 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 88.00 3199 4771 90579 13404 100.0 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 80.00 3033 4289 78492 12427 100.0 1.123 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 80.00 2777 3597 50789 13462 99.8 1.337


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 78 61.60 2349 2572 33509 10976 94.7 1.647
-18.0 80 63.14 2406 2700 35818 11290 95.8 1.604
-16.0 82 64.68 2464 2831 38255 11589 96.7 1.556
-14.0 84 66.22 2522 2965 40828 11872 97.5 1.509
-12.0 86 67.76 2579 3101 43563 12136 98.2 1.463
-10.0 88 69.30 2636 3240 46472 12381 98.8 1.419
-08.0 90 70.84 2693 3381 49566 12604 99.2 1.376
-06.0 92 72.38 2749 3525 52859 12806 99.6 1.335
-04.0 94 73.92 2805 3670 56364 12985 99.8 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 96 75.46 2861 3817 60096 13139 100.0 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 77.00 2916 3965 64073 13270 100.0 1.221 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 78.54 2971 4115 68314 13392 100.0 1.186 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 80.08 3025 4267 72839 13509 100.0 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 81.62 3079 4420 77671 13623 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 83.16 3132 4575 82838 13733 100.0 1.087 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 84.70 3185 4731 88367 13838 100.0 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 77.00 3026 4268 76652 12794 100.0 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 77.00 2753 3533 51657 13452 97.5 1.340


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Ramshot Magnum

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 78 66.40 2287 2439 30814 10653 94.4 1.690
-18.0 80 68.06 2349 2573 33105 10969 95.6 1.643
-16.0 82 69.72 2411 2711 35584 11264 96.7 1.596
-14.0 84 71.38 2473 2853 38267 11537 97.6 1.547
-12.0 86 73.04 2536 2998 41176 11784 98.4 1.494
-10.0 88 74.70 2598 3146 44331 12004 99.0 1.442
-08.0 90 76.36 2660 3298 47759 12195 99.5 1.393
-06.0 92 78.02 2721 3453 51490 12356 99.8 1.346
-04.0 94 79.68 2783 3611 55534 12484 100.0 1.300
-02.0 96 81.34 2844 3771 59898 12580 100.0 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 83.00 2904 3933 64636 12668 100.0 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 84.66 2964 4097 69787 12750 100.0 1.173 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 86.32 3024 4265 75401 12827 100.0 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 87.98 3084 4435 81530 12897 100.0 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 89.64 3144 4608 88239 12960 100.0 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 91.30 3203 4784 95602 13016 100.0 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 83.00 3021 4255 79754 12148 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 83.00 2725 3463 50436 13026 97.9 1.345


Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 73.20 2285 2434 29542 11640 84.6 1.717
-18.0 88 75.03 2354 2584 31811 12113 86.5 1.668
-16.0 90 76.86 2424 2740 34276 12574 88.3 1.619
-14.0 92 78.69 2495 2903 36960 13019 90.0 1.572
-12.0 94 80.52 2567 3073 39887 13446 91.6 1.513
-10.0 96 82.35 2640 3249 43082 13851 93.1 1.458
-08.0 98 84.18 2713 3432 46577 14230 94.4 1.404
-06.0 101 86.01 2787 3621 50404 14581 95.6 1.353
-04.0 103 87.84 2861 3816 54594 14901 96.7 1.303
-02.0 105 89.67 2935 4017 59231 15185 97.7 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 91.50 3010 4225 64329 15432 98.5 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 93.33 3085 4438 69966 15638 99.1 1.162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 95.16 3160 4657 76175 15799 99.6 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 96.99 3236 4882 83028 15914 99.9 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 98.82 3311 5111 90623 15979 100.0 1.036 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 100.65 3386 5346 99073 16003 100.0 0.996 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 91.50 3187 4737 81535 14956 100.0 1.097 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 91.50 2764 3562 49646 14783 90.8 1.352



Cartridge : .300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 210, Nosler AccuBond LR 58317
Useable Case Capaci: 84.463 grain H2O = 5.484 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N570

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 85 69.60 2305 2478 30080 11735 84.6 1.703
-18.0 87 71.34 2372 2625 32304 12200 86.4 1.656
-16.0 89 73.08 2440 2777 34706 12652 88.1 1.610
-14.0 91 74.82 2509 2935 37305 13091 89.7 1.561
-12.0 93 76.56 2578 3100 40121 13514 91.2 1.508
-10.0 95 78.30 2648 3270 43175 13916 92.6 1.455
-08.0 98 80.04 2718 3445 46490 14297 93.9 1.405
-06.0 100 81.78 2789 3626 50093 14653 95.1 1.356
-04.0 102 83.52 2859 3813 54016 14982 96.2 1.309
-02.0 104 85.26 2930 4004 58293 15280 97.2 1.263 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 87.00 3002 4201 62965 15546 98.0 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 88.74 3073 4403 68056 15778 98.7 1.177 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 90.48 3144 4609 73584 15971 99.2 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 92.22 3215 4820 79618 16125 99.6 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 93.96 3286 5036 86219 16237 99.9 1.058 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 95.70 3357 5255 93455 16305 100.0 1.021 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 87.00 3177 4706 79003 15156 100.0 1.110 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 87.00 2762 3557 48900 14841 90.2 1.362

 

[Palouser]

I have never loaded for a 300 Weatherby but started loading some for a friend. I loaded 180 grain Ballistic Tips over 7828 to the max COAL in the book. It looked a little silly because the bullet was seated so far in the case and there was so much case intrusion with a 180 Grain BT. I can't imagine with a 210 Grain ABLR. There has to be significant case intrusion good luck and let me know what you find out.

 

[Palouser]

210 grain ABLR at 3000 ft./s should just flat out thump an elk. I can't wait to hear how it did next October or November.

Did you see this in the Nosler 2014 catalog?

 

[SJB358]

Thanks Todd. Good info! Figure I'll start at max mag length. Only one way to go from there!

Your right, that 210 at 2900-3000 should be serious.

 

[Greg Nolan]

Scottty,

I just finished working up loads for the 190 gr. NAB L/R in a new 300 Wby. Vanguard. The best powder I found was IMR7828. I know you're using the 210 gr. bullet so my loads won't help but I found that the Vanguard's magazine length limited me to 3.580 and it shot OK but not as accurate as the 180 NAB. I think a little longer OAL would have done the trick. The amount of down range energy was phenomenal and put 2000 fpe out to 800 yds vrs 600 yds with the 180 gr. I may try to shorten my OAL and see if I can find a sweet spot.
Good Luck
Greg

 

[SJB358]

Thanks Greg. That's what I was wondering about. Not sure how long the mag is for the MK5's? Either way, I'll load them long and see what happens. Figure I'll work them up to around 2900 or so and see what happens if I alter seating depth.

Your right, that's my biggest draw to them, I don't shoot ultra long, but these should really hold onto energy really well.

 

[JD338]

Scotty

It looks like RL33 might be a winner and get you to 3000 fps.
That amount of horsepower with a chalk line trajectory will take some of the guess work out.
A bull at 500 yards is in deep dark trouble!

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Yeah, it does look good, that's for sure!

I will see what I have on the bench, I'd imagine I have just about everything but darned RL33..