357 Mag data

[remingtonman_25_06]

Recently picked up a 357 Mag, Taurus 627 Tracker with 4" ported bbl.

Want to use it for protection from black bears/cougars during elk season.

Also want to use it on the occasional coyote/deer out to max of 50 yards.

What are some of the better loads for my intended purpose??

BTW- I intended on putting a scope/red dot on the pistol as the salesman assured me I could. Well after I bought the pistol, I called Taurus and asked them directly and they said you cant put a scope/red dot on the 4" version, only the 6.5". So needless to say, I"m kinda pised at the guy, and pised at myself for not doing my homework. I wanted a scope/red dot to make reliable 50 yard hits if need be. I'm ok with open sites, but there not my favorite. Accuracy is sub par in my opinion for what I want to do with it. PMC 158g JSP are clocking 1250fps and shooting 5-6" 7 shot groups at 25 yards free handed. 50 yards isn't looking to promising from this point of view.

Handloads and practice should help cut groups considerably. I know a scope/red dot would help considerably as well, but thats obviously out of the picture. I"m by no means a pistol person, just wanted to play with something different and have something for protection.

This is only my 2nd pistol. The first was a Ruger 40 S & W and it was worthless. YOu couldn't hit a milk jug at 10 yards with it. I sold it after the first box of shells. Revolvers are a little more accurate with the windage/elevation.

 

[JD338]

Remmy,

Congratulations on your 357 Mag.
I would use a 158 gr JHP with H110 or W296.
You could also try the 180 gr PT for deeper penetration.

If the scope or red dot won't work, take a look at the Bushnell (Eo Tech) scope. It has a heads up display, same as our military uses in fighter jets.
I have the Eo Tech on my bow and its very accurate!

If you can use a scope, look no further than a Leupold M8 2x scope. Its what I use on my S&W 629 Classic.

JD338

 

[Guest]

First of all, you bought the right kind of revolver. I've had a Taurus Model 65 Stainless for nearly 20yrs, and it's a real joy. With the right handloads, I've printed 1.5" six shot groups at 20yds, standing 'Weaver'. Mine has fixed sights, rather than adjustable, and with most loads, prints just about an inch to the left and low from point of aim, but I've come to accept that over the years, as it still prints small groups just a little off. I bought mine for personal defense, and carried it for a while (until I got a Glock 23 in 40S&W). I still love mine.

As for deer and bear at 50yds, you're going to be pushing it with a 357Mag. Even the best loads are going to be marginal at best. I'd start looking at the 158gr hollow points as a good starting place, though mine was more accurate with 125gr hollows, and yours may prefer yet another weight. Any way you cut it, with due practice (which means frequent range trips) you should be able to get everything down to under 8" at 50yds. That will certainly suffice for hunting purposes. You might get down to 4-5" at 50yds, which would be stellar.

I think you'll come to love your Taurus. Then you'll go buy one in 44Mag and start out shooting 44Spl in it to get used to it. A 44Mag makes a dandy deer and bear handgun.

 

[TScottW99]

Congrats on the .357. Have one also though mine is a S&W 65 4". I carried a # 19 for several years as a duty weapon.

For woods gun I prefer a good 158 grain HP also, with Hornady XTP being my favorite. I carry 125 grain when it's performing city work.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Jim- Was definately thinking of the 180g PT for deer/bear. Am thinking real hard about the 125g XTP for coyotes as well. I was actually going to start with H110 as it seems to produce pretty good velocities/accuracy at higher ends with several weight bullets, according to Noslers guide anyways. How does the Bushnell Eo Tech scope mount?? Never even heard of it... If it will work on the 4" tracker, I'd definately consider it. I called Taurus yesterday and they said theres no way to mount a scope/red dot on this particular model. Was thinking of laser grips but I dont think oregon allows them for hunting. How do laser sights work anyways?? Are they like scopes where you can adjust them and get them sighted in to where the laser points or what?? I just dont know much about pistols at all.

Dubyam- If I could get 2" groups at 25 yards free handed with reloads and open sights, that would be awesome. I was also hoping for about 5" groups at 50 yards. I never did shoot at 50 yards because I shot them all up getting it sighted in at 25 yards, then shooting my 10" steel gong, this is where I was shooting about 5-6" groups at 25 yards on my steel plate. To be able to reliably kill a coyote at 50 yards, I'd need no larger then a 5" group and probly closer to 4", for deer, as long as its under 10" it will probly work, but it aint gonna cut it for coyotes. I'm not planning on shooting bear at 50 yards, just coyotes/deer.

Will 158g HP's or XTP's work ok for deer, or should I go with the heavier 180g slugs like the PT or XTP???

Definately going to try some 125g XTP's for coyotes and vermin.

 

[JD338]

Remmy,

Try here for starters-
http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflesc ... osight.cfm

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

Great weapon Remmy and congrats! I have had many Taurus' and man they are workhorses. They are tooled as is SW so accuracy is great. My current 7 shot 66 shoots the 158 nosler JHP at 1350 fps (4") with 18 grains of lilgun!

I ran a couple of sims for you/ Max is listed at 43k+ but I limited this to 42K. Also I stipulated 105% max loading density that i why it peaks out at 16 gr of Lilgun at 34K psi and does not include the 18 gr.

Cartridge : .357 Magnum (CIP)
Bullet : .357, 158, Nosler JHP 44841
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch or 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 4.4 inch or 132.1 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 42000 psi, or 289 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

47 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma R123 98.9 14.8 0.96 1507 99.1 42000 11475 0.481 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 99.3 15.1 0.98 1438 87.4 42000 10274 0.472 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 103.2 12.1 0.78 1435 99.5 42000 9289 0.470 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 512 105.0 15.1 0.98 1430 87.1 41713 10170 0.474 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 98.8 14.1 0.91 1429 86.3 42000 10127 0.473 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 102.2 12.5 0.81 1411 93.7 42000 9481 0.473 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 101.2 15.7 1.02 1409 82.4 42000 9703 0.471 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 105.0 16.9 1.10 1397 72.2 37109 10525 0.496 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 96.8 11.8 0.77 1393 97.2 42000 8774 0.474 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 105.0 16.4 1.06 1390 82.0 34735 10715 0.503
Hodgdon H110 105.0 16.9 1.09 1381 76.3 37292 10081 0.499 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 100 101.3 10.5 0.68 1365 99.8 42000 7926 0.472 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 90 95.4 9.9 0.64 1356 100.0 42000 7290 0.474 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R910 105.0 14.5 0.94 1347 83.0 34354 9769 0.506
Alliant HERCO 96.1 9.0 0.59 1330 100.0 42000 6987 0.484 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil J706 99.2 8.9 0.58 1299 100.0 42000 6563 0.503 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 105.0 14.7 0.95 1275 64.9 34645 8250 0.516
ADI AR 2205 105.0 15.0 0.97 1265 74.3 34493 7950 0.519
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 105.0 15.7 1.02 1262 67.9 30601 8574 0.545
Vihtavuori N110 105.0 13.3 0.86 1209 76.4 25726 8259 0.588
Accurate 1680 105.0 16.9 1.10 1197 54.7 30711 7291 0.544
Somchem S265 105.0 14.5 0.94 1195 69.9 29061 7555 0.577
IMR 4227 105.0 14.4 0.93 1148 60.5 26278 6936 0.584
Hodgdon H4227 105.0 14.4 0.93 1125 59.0 24666 6806 0.602
Hodgdon H4198 105.0 14.8 0.96 1031 47.3 21565 5553 0.646
Alliant Reloder- 7 105.0 15.2 0.99 1029 55.6 16801 6963 0.721
Accurate 2200 105.0 16.0 1.04 1003 42.1 20485 5369 0.661
ADI AR 2207 105.0 14.7 0.95 996 48.8 18011 5789 0.695
IMR 4198 105.0 14.1 0.91 993 46.9 18798 5232 0.685
ADI BM2 105.0 16.8 1.09 986 40.3 19894 5207 0.671
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 105.0 16.1 1.05 976 39.9 18671 5203 0.687
Vihtavuori N120 105.0 14.4 0.93 975 49.8 17298 5438 0.709
Norma 200 105.0 16.3 1.06 957 43.0 16167 5726 0.728
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 105.0 16.3 1.06 957 43.0 16167 5726 0.728
ADI AR 2219 105.0 16.3 1.05 950 36.9 18483 4721 0.694
ADI AR 2210 105.0 16.3 1.05 947 37.8 18120 4827 0.701
Kazan Sunar 308W 105.0 15.4 1.00 943 43.6 16856 5058 0.718
PB Clermont PCL 508 105.0 16.8 1.09 939 36.0 17713 4736 0.709
SNPE Vectan SP 10 105.0 16.8 1.09 939 35.9 17673 4738 0.709
Hodgdon H335 105.0 17.2 1.11 930 34.7 17904 4545 0.707
Ramshot X-Terminator 105.0 16.3 1.06 929 36.8 16884 4707 0.723
ADI AR 2206H 105.0 15.7 1.02 891 35.4 15995 4185 0.740
Hodgdon Benchmark 105.0 15.5 1.00 890 36.1 15417 4340 0.749
Alliant Reloder-10x 105.0 14.8 0.96 889 38.1 14413 4596 0.773
Vihtavuori N130 105.0 14.7 0.95 889 40.3 14644 4466 0.764
Alliant Reloder-12 105.0 16.0 1.04 883 35.1 15517 4155 0.749
Hodgdon H322 105.0 15.3 0.99 881 34.1 15292 4126 0.758
SF-033 fl 105.0 16.1 1.04 881 35.7 14783 4391 0.766
ADI AR 2206 105.0 15.6 1.01 875 34.6 15199 4080 0.756
Vihtavuori N530 105.0 15.8 1.03 860 31.0 14900 3931 0.767
Ramshot TAC 105.0 16.5 1.07 860 30.5 14917 3908 0.767
PB Clermont PCL 507 105.0 16.4 1.06 852 30.1 14605 3838 0.775
Winchester 748 105.0 16.9 1.10 851 28.5 15192 3721 0.763
Somchem S321 105.0 16.9 1.10 846 29.5 14511 3852 0.776
Accurate 2230 105.0 16.9 1.09 842 30.1 14557 3871 0.774
Accurate 2015 105.0 15.2 0.99 833 34.0 12909 4015 0.812
Vihtavuori N133 105.0 14.4 0.93 827 35.1 13064 3685 0.807
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 105.0 16.9 1.09 817 28.4 13344 3746 0.805
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105.0 16.3 1.05 811 27.5 13295 3445 0.808
Somchem S341 105.0 16.9 1.10 810 26.7 13935 3330 0.795
Somchem S335 105.0 15.4 1.00 806 32.8 12176 3690 0.837
Norma 201 105.0 16.1 1.04 803 28.7 12381 3686 0.826
Accurate 2460 105.0 16.9 1.09 802 27.8 12906 3587 0.818
IMR 4895 105.0 15.2 0.99 799 27.0 13026 3229 0.817
PB Clermont PCL 516 105.0 16.8 1.09 796 25.3 13289 3242 0.811
Norma 202 105.0 15.5 1.00 795 28.9 12262 3452 0.835
Hodgdon BL-C2 105.0 17.2 1.11 795 25.3 13165 3316 0.813
ADI AR 2208 105.0 15.3 0.99 789 27.4 12413 3249 0.834
Hodgdon VARGET 105.0 15.2 0.99 786 27.3 12300 3227 0.837
IMR 4320 105.0 15.5 1.00 780 25.9 12475 3088 0.834
Vihtavuori N540 105.0 15.9 1.03 779 28.1 11884 3294 0.849
Hodgdon H4895 105.0 15.2 0.99 779 27.8 12019 3164 0.847
Rottweil R901 105.0 15.0 0.97 766 30.0 10189 3720 0.897
IMR 3031 105.0 14.7 0.95 764 26.7 11319 3130 0.864
IMR 4064 105.0 14.9 0.96 762 26.2 11452 3044 0.863
Raufoss RA11 105.0 15.7 1.02 758 24.1 11426 3054 0.861
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 105.0 15.7 1.02 758 24.1 11426 3054 0.861
Alliant Reloder-15 105.0 15.7 1.02 758 24.1 11426 3054 0.861
Norma 203B 105.0 15.7 1.02 751 23.9 11179 2997 0.870
Rottweil R902 105.0 15.2 0.98 743 26.2 10376 3137 0.892
SNPE Vectan SP 11 105.0 16.3 1.05 739 22.6 11214 2801 0.873
Hodgdon H414 105.0 16.8 1.09 736 20.9 11391 2771 0.871
Accurate 2520 105.0 16.2 1.05 733 23.4 10877 2880 0.886
Vihtavuori N140 105.0 15.1 0.98 733 25.7 10655 2816 0.893
IMR 4007 SSC 105.0 16.0 1.03 725 22.0 10822 2738 0.890
Hodgdon H380 105.0 16.1 1.04 719 21.5 10600 2707 0.898
Accurate 2700 105.0 16.3 1.05 715 22.3 10790 2610 0.896
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 15.7 1.02 714 21.9 10324 2637 0.904
Winchester 760 105.0 16.6 1.08 703 18.8 10597 2451 0.902
Somchem S355 105.0 15.4 1.00 699 22.1 9630 2625 0.935
Rottweil R907 105.0 15.4 1.00 699 21.2 9905 2561 0.925
Vihtavuori N135 105.0 14.3 0.92 696 25.0 9308 2611 0.944
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 16.8 1.09 685 18.5 10030 2339 0.926
Norma 203 old 105.0 15.9 1.03 679 20.1 9378 2450 0.946
Vihtavuori N550 105.0 16.1 1.04 679 19.2 9436 2387 0.946
Norma 204 105.0 16.3 1.05 676 18.0 9942 2233 0.931
Hodgdon H4350 105.0 15.7 1.01 673 18.6 9607 2252 0.943
Vihtavuori N150 105.0 14.8 0.96 670 22.2 8933 2364 0.964
Norma URP 105.0 15.6 1.01 658 18.5 8934 2208 0.971
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 105.0 15.6 1.01 658 18.5 8928 2205 0.971
Rottweil R904 105.0 15.5 1.01 655 17.9 9115 2103 0.966
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 15.7 1.02 653 17.4 9106 2097 0.966
Raufoss RA4 105.0 15.7 1.02 653 17.4 9106 2097 0.966
IMR 4350 105.0 15.1 0.98 651 17.9 8766 2108 0.980
ADI AR 2209 105.0 15.7 1.01 646 16.9 8965 2037 0.974
Rottweil R903 105.0 15.1 0.98 642 18.9 8248 2175 1.015
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 15.7 1.02 639 16.7 8573 2025 1.003
Accurate 2495 105.0 14.9 0.96 636 19.6 7709 2315 1.031
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 15.7 1.02 632 16.5 8419 1980 1.012
Somchem S365 105.0 15.7 1.01 616 16.5 7962 1896 1.037
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 15.9 1.03 609 15.0 8213 1774 1.027
Accurate 4064 105.0 14.7 0.95 605 18.1 6972 2040 1.083
ADI AR 2213 105.0 15.9 1.03 605 14.2 8121 1748 1.030
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 15.1 0.98 603 16.3 7684 1773 1.044
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 16.2 1.05 597 13.5 8055 1678 1.034
Somchem S385 105.0 15.9 1.03 588 14.7 7422 1709 1.069
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 16.1 1.04 586 13.0 7477 1656 1.063
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 15.3 0.99 585 14.4 7435 1648 1.072
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 15.9 1.03 581 13.5 7288 1651 1.076
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 15.9 1.03 581 13.5 7288 1651 1.076
Raufoss RA15 105.0 15.9 1.03 581 13.5 7288 1651 1.076
Norma MRP 105.0 16.4 1.06 581 13.0 7424 1640 1.068
IMR 4831 105.0 15.1 0.98 578 15.0 6963 1672 1.099
Rottweil R905 105.0 15.6 1.01 572 13.2 7176 1567 1.086
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 15.6 1.01 569 14.4 7052 1555 1.100
Accurate 4350 105.0 15.1 0.98 567 14.1 6812 1615 1.105
Winchester WXR 105.0 15.6 1.01 567 13.2 6864 1576 1.105
IMR 7828 105.0 15.3 0.99 565 12.8 7019 1514 1.096
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 16.7 1.08 557 11.4 7039 1460 1.103
ADI AP 2214 105.0 16.3 1.06 549 11.9 7118 1379 1.101
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 15.7 1.01 545 12.6 6446 1437 1.140
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 16.8 1.09 526 10.5 6693 1259 1.151
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 16.8 1.09 525 10.4 6672 1253 1.153
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 16.8 1.09 524 10.4 6648 1251 1.155
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 15.6 1.01 523 11.4 6293 1256 1.160
Norma MRP 2 105.0 15.7 1.02 504 10.2 5692 1197 1.228
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 16.8 1.09 492 8.9 5897 1076 1.218
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 15.8 1.03 491 10.2 5476 1125 1.231
Accurate 3100 105.0 14.9 0.96 491 11.3 5313 1165 1.244
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 16.6 1.08 489 8.4 5654 1085 1.229
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 15.6 1.01 487 9.9 5368 1104 1.266
ADI AR 2218 105.0 16.8 1.09 473 7.8 5560 982 1.249
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 16.0 1.04 458 7.7 5062 933 1.298
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 16.8 1.09 457 8.0 5101 929 1.301
Hodgdon H870 105.0 16.3 1.05 453 7.9 4886 924 1.320
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 15.4 1.00 443 7.0 4835 806 1.326
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 16.1 1.04 433 7.7 4563 833 1.372
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 15.4 1.00 428 6.8 4498 761 1.374
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 16.1 1.04 425 7.4 4437 794 1.390
Accurate 8700 105.0 16.1 1.04 421 7.3 4463 761 1.393
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 16.9 1.10 408 6.4 4339 711 1.431
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 15.4 1.00 341 3.8 3363 419 1.666




Cartridge : .357 Magnum (CIP)
Bullet : .357, 180, Nosler PART HP 35180
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch or 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 4.8 inch or 121.9 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 42000 psi, or 289 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

44 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma R123 104.5 12.2 0.79 1333 98.9 42000 10100 0.488 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Enforcer 103.8 12.3 0.80 1256 86.2 42000 8845 0.485 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 103.2 11.5 0.74 1247 85.2 42000 8703 0.488 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil P806 94.0 11.0 0.71 1242 100.0 42000 7764 0.501 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N105 105.0 9.6 0.62 1222 98.5 38225 7880 0.503 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 105.0 12.7 0.82 1221 80.6 41349 8231 0.489 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 100.9 9.6 0.62 1215 96.5 42000 7568 0.490 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 105.0 10.0 0.65 1214 92.3 40413 8037 0.498 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 90 99.6 8.0 0.52 1188 100.0 42000 6320 0.490 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 100 105.0 8.5 0.55 1187 99.5 41611 6831 0.491 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 512 105.0 11.7 0.76 1187 83.2 36002 8219 0.522
Vihtavuori N350 91.6 7.8 0.51 1164 100.0 42000 6021 0.495 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 100.1 7.3 0.48 1163 100.0 42000 6043 0.502 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 105.0 13.2 0.85 1147 67.2 31207 8305 0.550
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 105.0 12.8 0.83 1140 76.6 29734 8495 0.557
Rottweil J706 103.9 7.3 0.47 1139 100.0 42000 5699 0.521 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 105.0 13.2 0.85 1137 71.5 31450 8014 0.553
Rottweil R910 105.0 11.3 0.74 1111 77.9 30175 7735 0.557
Accurate 5744 105.0 11.5 0.74 1059 61.3 30898 6563 0.565
ADI AR 2205 105.0 11.7 0.76 1050 70.4 30522 6358 0.569
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 105.0 12.3 0.80 1041 63.4 26396 6765 0.601
Vihtavuori N110 105.0 10.4 0.67 998 71.9 22391 6557 0.644
Somchem S265 105.0 11.3 0.73 990 66.0 25540 6017 0.634
Rottweil P805 91.0 5.3 0.34 985 100.0 42000 3773 0.539 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 105.0 13.2 0.86 983 50.5 26975 5670 0.600
IMR 4227 105.0 11.2 0.73 951 56.6 23361 5446 0.640
Hodgdon H4227 105.0 11.2 0.73 930 54.8 21891 5310 0.657
Hodgdon H4198 105.0 11.5 0.75 853 44.0 19193 4329 0.703
Alliant Reloder- 7 105.0 11.9 0.77 838 50.6 14123 5362 0.793
Accurate 2200 105.0 12.5 0.81 826 38.7 18130 4138 0.723
IMR 4198 105.0 11.0 0.71 822 43.6 16789 4065 0.743
ADI AR 2207 105.0 11.5 0.74 820 44.4 15941 4418 0.758
ADI BM2 105.0 13.1 0.85 812 37.0 17593 4013 0.734
Vihtavuori N120 105.0 11.2 0.73 803 45.6 15360 4164 0.769
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 105.0 12.6 0.82 802 36.3 16528 3966 0.751
ADI AR 2219 105.0 12.7 0.82 781 33.7 16405 3616 0.758
ADI AR 2210 105.0 12.7 0.82 780 34.6 16050 3701 0.763
Norma 200 105.0 12.7 0.82 777 38.4 14076 4297 0.800
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 105.0 12.7 0.82 777 38.4 14076 4297 0.800
Kazan Sunar 308W 105.0 12.0 0.78 777 40.0 14907 3885 0.784
PB Clermont PCL 508 105.0 13.2 0.85 771 32.7 15691 3613 0.773
SNPE Vectan SP 10 105.0 13.1 0.85 771 32.7 15658 3614 0.774
Hodgdon H335 105.0 13.4 0.87 764 31.7 15868 3474 0.773
Ramshot X-Terminator 105.0 12.7 0.82 764 33.5 14979 3596 0.786
ADI AR 2206H 105.0 12.3 0.80 738 32.8 14273 3243 0.807
Hodgdon Benchmark 105.0 12.1 0.78 736 33.3 13727 3349 0.817
Vihtavuori N130 105.0 11.5 0.74 732 36.8 13036 3416 0.834
Alliant Reloder-10x 105.0 11.6 0.75 730 34.6 12792 3491 0.836
Alliant Reloder-12 105.0 12.5 0.81 728 32.2 13825 3195 0.818
Hodgdon H322 105.0 11.9 0.77 726 31.3 13641 3172 0.821
ADI AR 2206 105.0 12.1 0.79 725 32.0 13567 3157 0.824
SF-033 fl 105.0 12.6 0.81 722 32.2 13091 3318 0.835
Ramshot TAC 105.0 12.9 0.83 708 27.9 13284 2995 0.839
Vihtavuori N530 105.0 12.4 0.80 708 28.3 13269 3006 0.839
PB Clermont PCL 507 105.0 12.8 0.83 702 27.6 13015 2942 0.847
Winchester 748 105.0 13.2 0.86 700 26.0 13518 2842 0.836
Somchem S321 105.0 13.2 0.86 695 26.8 12892 2933 0.850
Accurate 2230 105.0 13.2 0.85 688 26.9 12869 2898 0.851
Vihtavuori N133 105.0 11.2 0.73 683 32.4 11707 2842 0.879
Accurate 2015 105.0 11.9 0.77 683 30.7 11460 3029 0.888
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105.0 12.7 0.82 669 25.2 11884 2647 0.883
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 105.0 13.2 0.85 667 25.3 11796 2796 0.886

 

[Guest]

Bear in mind, Rem, that I got those groups when I was shooting weekly, and averaging about 250rds weekly, at that. It is certainly possible to keep them under 5" at 50, but it will take a lot of training and comfort with the revolver. I'd try shooting a lot of double action early in the game, as this will really give you fine trigger control and sight picture control, which will be paramount when you start trying to shoot yotes at 50yds.

I had great results velocity-wise with H110 (but be careful near max, as a tiny bit of powder makes a big difference in pressure). I had good accuracy results with Hodgdon Clays and Universal Clays, but the velocity is not as high. As for bullets, I think you'd be well off with either the 158gr or 180gr, whichever one shoots the best in your gun.

 

[Guest]

I have a Taurus 608 with the 6.5 comp'd barrel. I haven't actually taken a first shot at a deer with it but I have put one down with it.

Mine is scary accurate with 158gr SJHP Magtech bullets. Using Hodgdon longshot powder for target loads and Lil'gun for field loads, both produce excellent accuracy out of mine. Wasn't able to recover that bullet from the deer, but from from shooting water jugs they expanded very nice.

You said this is your second pistol, and it's a good choice! I don't know your shooting history with pistols, but in general they are little harder to master and shoot as well as you probably do with rifles. My suggestion is to load up a bunch of light loads, even 38specials to shoot the crap out of that gun to learn how it shoots. It'll save a lot of wear and tear on you and help out with the marksmanship. Kind of like shooting a .22 rifle instead of the big centerfires all the time.

 

[old #7]

I have a S&W 868 w/8.375 " bbl.
I have been shooting 158gr xtp's with Unique with great results.
I shot them over the crony but never saved the data. I have the load sighted in at 50yds. I wouldn't hesitate to blast a deer with it.

 

[kraky]

I had a taurus (I think 608) with 6" barrel. Couldn't get good accuracy or velocity. I could be wrong but I don't think you want to use the above QC data that was set at 42k pressure. I think those will be too hot of loads in a revolver frame as what you have.
Anyhow I traded it for a 12" contender barrel with a red dot. (and I realize a single shot isn't great for protection). I LOVE THE CONTENDER.
I couldn't get above 1250 fps with the 6 shooter or better than 3-4" groups off sand bags at 25 yds. Now I'm doing 1690 fps and sub inch 25 yds groups. This means my velocity at 100 yds would be about the same as the muzzle on my old 6 shooter.
I"m looking forward to our wisconsin deer season with this bad boy this November!!

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

JD-I dont think that bushnell sight will work because it says it attaches to a weaver style mount/base.

I just need to find a mount/base that would work for it, then I"d be set.

However, according to the folks at Taurus, there is nothing out there that will work for the 4" tracker.

I think its dumb that they dont incorporate the same technology or whatever to mount a scope on a 4" bbl, but they will with a 6".

 

[JD338]

JD-I dont think that bushnell sight will work because it says it attaches to a weaver style mount/base.

I just need to find a mount/base that would work for it, then I"d be set.

However, according to the folks at Taurus, there is nothing out there that will work for the 4" tracker.

I think its dumb that they dont incorporate the same technology or whatever to mount a scope on a 4" bbl, but they will with a 6".

I think you should talk with Shawn Carlock and see what he recommends.
If it can't be done, good reason to pick up a S&W 629 Classic. :wink:

JD338

 

[Powerstroke]

Remmy....

That cracks me up as I did the exact same thing... my first handgun was a Ruger .40....I couldn't hit a barn if I was standing inside of it !

When I went to AK a few years back archery hunting, we wanted a little back-up protection not knowing what to expect there.
I purchased a Taurus in .44 Mag to take along. I don't get much trigger time with it, but it's DRASTICALLY better than what I had and I'm much more confident with it.....
I'm in the same boat as well as mounting a scope on it..... :? You'll have a good time with it..... post some results once you start working on loads.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Remmy, My 4" Ruger likes a max load of 2400 behind the Nosler 158gr bullets. The Nosler bullets by far shoot the best out of my little gun.

 

[FOTIS]

Nice piece.