358 Win 180 gr TTSX?

[gerry]

Been doing some shooting with my little Browning BLR 358 Win on the weekend and have been finalising some loads featuring IMR 3031 and the 180 gr Speer and 200 gr Sierra RN. I plan on trying to get some deer or bears with those bullets this year and looking forward to it.

Anyone try the 180 gr TTSX in the 358 Win? This gun has a real preference for flat base bullets so far and those Barnes bullets are very interesting. I have a lot more faith in the TTSX design opening up better than the TSX version so would like to stick with them. probably will try them this summer sometime.

 

[DrMike]

I'll bet those would be an excellent bullet in that rifle, Gerry. Funnily enough, I never tried them. I did work up a variety of loads with the 200 grain TSX, and they all shot very well for me. The 180 grain TTSX would likely prove to be a winner.

 

[preacher]

In my one and only BLR .358 I could not load the 200 TTSX due to the magazine length. The mouth of the case was above the ogive. The 200 TSX worked swell. Now, I dodn't know if the 180 TTSX is longer from ogive to tip. It would be nice if you could get a few to try w/o buying a whole box. Just saying. I am one of those that thinks lwt monos in .33 and up kill a tad better than the same weight in a smaller caliber. Anyhow, a 180 Mono just "has" to be wicked!

 

[Dwh7271]

I couldn't remember if that had a 20 or 22" barrel.
Maybe this will help at least with a powder choice.

Cartridge          : .358 Win.
Bullet             : .358, 180, Barnes 'TTSX' 30459
Useable Case Capaci: 46.134 grain H2O = 2.995 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.780 inch = 70.61 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 58000 psi, or 399 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 108 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

5 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Nitrochemie A/S 0300               100.7     43.9     2.85    2755    99.8    58000    5974   0.995  ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39            104.5     45.4     2.94    2750   100.0    58000    5661   1.001  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                     108.0     49.4     3.20    2725    94.4    57120    6329   1.004  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                        102.8     45.1     2.93    2721    97.8    58000    6035   0.997  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                       103.1     47.9     3.10    2720    96.7    58000    6160   1.000  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                  102.7     46.7     3.02    2716    96.7    58000    6132   1.004  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 *C (PCL223)    102.7     46.7     3.03    2715    96.7    58000    6123   1.005  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x *C             106.7     42.8     2.77    2708    99.7    58000    5781   1.013  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                       107.9     49.4     3.20    2706    94.0    58000    6249   1.012  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 *C                       102.4     42.6     2.76    2690    99.9    58000    5637   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40                  106.5     46.2     2.99    2690    95.6    58000    6021   1.008  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                       108.0     44.6     2.89    2689    97.5    55713    5978   1.012  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      106.5     48.7     3.16    2681    94.8    58000    6014   1.024  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       106.8     48.7     3.16    2681    94.8    58000    6014   1.024  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207                        100.6     40.0     2.59    2675   100.0    58000    5257   1.016  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 *C                 108.0     46.2     2.99    2675    93.6    56833    6075   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                 108.0     46.8     3.03    2672    97.6    56912    5835   1.013  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ *CT approximation   108.0     44.7     2.90    2666    99.8    50358    5842   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                           105.2     40.1     2.60    2665   100.0    58000    5313   1.005  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                       104.6     47.7     3.09    2664    94.7    58000    5886   1.024  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 *C             108.0     47.9     3.11    2654    92.9    54524    6090   1.035  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp *C *T              108.0     44.4     2.88    2652    99.8    49461    5826   1.044
Accurate 2015                      108.0     43.9     2.85    2648    99.1    55194    5659   1.037  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                      105.3     48.5     3.14    2648    92.5    58000    5859   1.024  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                        102.6     45.0     2.92    2648    94.8    58000    5815   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-7                   99.3     40.9     2.65    2646    99.9    58000    5377   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                      108.0     50.1     3.25    2644    91.6    51774    6277   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       99.5     43.0     2.78    2642    96.0    58000    5698   1.019  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                            100.3     45.4     2.94    2639    94.8    58000    5760   1.021  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator *C            106.8     48.5     3.14    2639    91.3    58000    5890   1.027  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 36                   94.4     39.1     2.53    2637   100.0    58000    5128   1.021  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680                       91.3     40.5     2.63    2635    98.6    58000    5473   1.021  ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W                   103.5     43.1     2.79    2632    99.4    58000    5382   1.025  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 *C                 103.2     40.1     2.60    2629   100.0    58000    4865   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 *C                 108.0     42.9     2.78    2626    99.5    56629    5390   1.030  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                  108.0     49.1     3.18    2623    89.9    52898    6078   1.046  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N125 *C                  97.3     38.4     2.49    2620   100.0    58000    4856   1.026  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      108.0     48.4     3.14    2619    94.0    49698    6079   1.065
Bofors RP1 NT *C ~approximation    100.0     41.2     2.67    2617    97.2    58000    5425   1.020  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                  108.0     45.2     2.93    2615    94.2    56469    5710   1.032  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                      100.7     40.2     2.61    2609    97.5    58000    5331   1.022  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                       108.0     45.9     2.98    2607    92.4    53065    5869   1.044  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC *C                     108.0     49.5     3.21    2597    86.6    55663    5863   1.043  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                      108.0     45.9     2.98    2585    90.4    49651    6023   1.077
Accurate 2495                      108.0     44.9     2.91    2584    97.3    45576    6076   1.112
Rottweil R901                      108.0     43.6     2.83    2577    95.2    51017    5831   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                       108.0     49.4     3.20    2571    89.1    51759    5773   1.060  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                       108.0     45.9     2.98    2570    89.4    49635    5958   1.081
Norma 202 *C                       108.0     45.2     2.93    2563    94.6    47748    5849   1.093
Lovex D073.6                       108.0     47.3     3.07    2554    92.9    45929    5944   1.100
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   108.0     49.3     3.19    2554    86.2    51924    5753   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     45.6     2.95    2551    90.8    52393    5594   1.056  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   108.0     47.4     3.07    2546    88.7    48738    5842   1.085
ADI AR 2206                        108.0     45.4     2.94    2544    91.3    53652    5506   1.057  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S265                        92.9     36.3     2.35    2532   100.0    58000    4464   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                         108.0     44.7     2.90    2528    90.2    52272    5505   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                       108.0     44.9     2.91    2527    96.1    49896    5471   1.085
IMR 3031                           108.0     42.9     2.78    2527    95.3    42640    5891   1.126
PB Clermont PCL 516                108.0     48.9     3.17    2522    85.1    48944    5751   1.086
Norma 201 *C                       108.0     44.9     2.91    2521    91.0    47951    5764   1.110
IMR 4895                           108.0     45.9     2.98    2514    87.6    44451    5959   1.118
Vihtavuori N540 *C                 108.0     46.4     3.01    2506    93.3    44818    5788   1.104
Vihtavuori N140 *C                 108.0     45.0     2.92    2489    94.1    45083    5526   1.104
Vihtavuori N133 *C                 108.0     42.0     2.72    2489    97.4    47028    5204   1.095
Ramshot Big Game                   108.0     48.9     3.17    2488    85.7    44978    5810   1.113
Hodgdon CFE223 *C                  108.0     50.1     3.24    2485    83.5    45215    5862   1.111
ReloadSwiss RS 52                  108.0     47.4     3.07    2484    88.4    42324    5956   1.131
Alliant Reloder-15 *C              108.0     45.9     2.98    2478    86.1    43682    5786   1.130
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         108.0     45.9     2.98    2478    86.1    43682    5786   1.130
Raufoss RA11                       108.0     45.9     2.98    2478    86.1    43682    5786   1.130
Norma 203B *C                      108.0     45.9     2.98    2468    86.7    42776    5783   1.138
Rottweil R902                      108.0     44.3     2.87    2462    90.0    45248    5568   1.140
Lovex S062                         108.0     44.7     2.90    2441    89.1    42583    5582   1.153
IMR 4320                           108.0     45.2     2.93    2426    85.5    43467    5438   1.138
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data     108.0     47.4     3.07    2421    83.3    43386    5455   1.142
ADI AR 2208                        108.0     44.6     2.89    2415    85.3    43387    5393   1.129
Accurate 4064                      108.0     44.9     2.91    2415    91.8    37771    5779   1.197
Hodgdon H380                       108.0     46.9     3.04    2410    82.5    41809    5548   1.155
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  108.0     47.4     3.07    2408    83.8    40632    5633   1.161
Hodgdon VARGET *T                  108.0     44.4     2.88    2407    85.2    42960    5370   1.133
Bofors RP3                         108.0     46.4     3.01    2403    86.4    38703    5689   1.177
Norma 203 old                      108.0     46.4     3.01    2403    86.4    38703    5689   1.177
ReloadSwiss RS 50                  108.0     47.8     3.10    2400    80.4    43868    5340   1.145
IMR 4064                           108.0     43.4     2.81    2377    85.1    41380    5257   1.171
Bofors RP7 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     46.3     3.00    2368    78.5    44069    5079   1.144
Somchem S355                       108.0     44.9     2.91    2356    85.2    37849    5447   1.201
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              108.0     48.2     3.12    2347    80.1    37859    5663   1.191
Elcho 17                           108.0     48.2     3.12    2347    80.1    37859    5663   1.191
Vihtavuori N135 *C                 108.0     41.6     2.70    2335    93.3    35769    5215   1.227
IMR 4007 SSC                       108.0     46.6     3.02    2334    77.2    42115    5117   1.176
Rottweil R903                      108.0     45.4     2.94    2333    84.4    36171    5436   1.213
IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T              108.0     44.0     2.85    2329    79.1    43190    4980   1.177
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               108.0     48.2     3.12    2328    79.4    37212    5638   1.201
Winchester 760                     108.0     48.6     3.15    2324    74.7    38752    5321   1.188
Hodgdon H414                       108.0     48.6     3.15    2324    74.7    38752    5321   1.188
IMR 4451 Enduron *C*T              108.0     45.4     2.94    2319    77.7    40993    5028   1.184
Bofors RP3 NT *C ~approximation    108.0     45.6     2.96    2308    79.2    40279    4976   1.187

 

[SJB358]

I am using the 180 TTSX outta my 350 Rem Mag. So far it is unused but it'll get pulled out for deer this year I believe. Accurate bullet and I use it at 2875 from my little M600.

 

[gerry]

Thanks to everyone, it looks to be a great choice for the 358 Win. Would love to see what that bullet would do on game at 350 RM speeds Scotty.

In my one and only BLR .358 I could not load the 200 TTSX due to the magazine length. The mouth of the case was above the ogive. The 200 TSX worked swell. Now, I dodn't know if the 180 TTSX is longer from ogive to tip. It would be nice if you could get a few to try w/o buying a whole box. Just saying. I am one of those that thinks lwt monos in .33 and up kill a tad better than the same weight in a smaller caliber. Anyhow, a 180 Mono just "has" to be wicked!

I loaded up some dummy rounds featuring the 200 gr TTSX and they would have worked just fine in my BLR. It does take up a lot of case capacity though being such a long bullet. I would bet that the 180's will be a hammer on game 8)

 

[bobnob]

I was with a bloke when he shot a scrub bull through the shoulders broadside with the 200g X Bullet out of his BLR 358W.

I’ve never seen an animal drop more quickly - like lightning hit him. As far as I could tell that bullet could still be going.

Pretty amazing on a 500kg+ animal.

 

[DrMike]

That is a pretty good recommendation for the 200 grain X bullet. I shot 200 grain TSX our of the .358, getting fine accuracy and good velocity. I was comfortable shooting that bullet when stalking moose and elk.

 

[gerry]

I was with a bloke when he shot a scrub bull through the shoulders broadside with the 200g X Bullet out of his BLR 358W.

I’ve never seen an animal drop more quickly - like lightning hit him. As far as I could tell that bullet could still be going.

Pretty amazing on a 500kg+ animal.

That is a pretty good recommendation for the 200 grain X bullet. I shot 200 grain TSX our of the .358, getting fine accuracy and good velocity. I was comfortable shooting that bullet when stalking moose and elk.

While I have my doubts it probably is unfounded this does sound good so I may try this after all sometime this summer. I had a regular 250 gr X bullet from a 375 Ruger fail to open once on a bear and it soured me on them. The TTSX is an improvement over the older bullets. I would expect those 200's to penetrate deeply on bear in case of an emergency Should beat the 180 gr version in that regard somewhat. The BLR is the camping gun among other things and since DrMike has had excellent accuracy in this gun in the past with it it makes the most sense to give it a try.