Hi everyone, I'm just about ready to pick up my new S&W 657 Performance Center. I plan on using this as a backup while I'm bow hunting Montana this year. Does anyone have any pet 41 mag loads they would like to share? I'm thinking about using a heavy cast bullet for this.
41 magnum bear loads
- Thread starter wayno945
- Start date
RiverRider
Handloader
- Dec 9, 2008
- 1,450
- 103
I'm not sure what you would consider a heavy bullet, but I shoot the Lyman #410610 which dresses out close to 220 grains. I know there are heavier bullets available but I would think this one should be all you'd ever need in a .41 Mag---JMO.
I'm pushing these with an older batch of 2400 and charging to 18.0 grains. It's been a long time since I fired my loads over a chronograph and I did not keep extensive records in those days, but it seems like I was getting around 1300 fps last time I checked. My 57 has a six-inch barrel. When I bought the powder I have been using 18 grains was a listed load, but some have admonished me that newer data doesn't go quite so far. I have a newer batch of 2400 but have not had to get into it yet, but when I do I'll start from scratch since lotsa folks have suggested to me that the newer batches of 2400 are faster burning. I'll just have to find out for myself.
I'm pushing these with an older batch of 2400 and charging to 18.0 grains. It's been a long time since I fired my loads over a chronograph and I did not keep extensive records in those days, but it seems like I was getting around 1300 fps last time I checked. My 57 has a six-inch barrel. When I bought the powder I have been using 18 grains was a listed load, but some have admonished me that newer data doesn't go quite so far. I have a newer batch of 2400 but have not had to get into it yet, but when I do I'll start from scratch since lotsa folks have suggested to me that the newer batches of 2400 are faster burning. I'll just have to find out for myself.
- Oct 30, 2004
- 24,344
- 3,186
Pressure set 4500 PSI below max for this sim.
Cartridge : .41 Rem. Mag. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .410, 210, Hornady HP/XTP 41000
Useable Case Capaci: 24.801 grain H2O = 1.610 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 30500 psi, or 210 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
73 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 96.0 22.8 1.48 1427 84.2 30500 9843 0.587
Winchester 296 94.0 23.1 1.50 1394 72.6 30500 9346 0.599
Rottweil R910 96.3 20.3 1.32 1391 85.5 30500 9032 0.586
Vihtavuori N110 105.1 20.4 1.32 1386 84.7 30500 8788 0.593
Hodgdon H110 93.9 23.0 1.49 1376 76.7 30500 8932 0.604
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 99.4 22.7 1.47 1354 72.3 30500 8411 0.600
Lovex S053 110.0 22.6 1.46 1350 74.7 29952 8330 0.597
Hodgdon H4227 107.5 22.5 1.46 1324 68.6 30500 7816 0.591
IMR 4227 105.3 22.0 1.43 1316 68.3 30500 7589 0.593
Somchem S265 101.6 21.3 1.38 1310 75.2 30500 7624 0.615
Accurate 5744 96.2 20.6 1.33 1310 66.8 30500 7628 0.600
Lovex D060 96.2 20.6 1.33 1310 66.8 30500 7628 0.600
ADI AR 2205 96.5 21.0 1.36 1301 76.3 30500 7354 0.602
Accurate 1680 100.6 24.7 1.60 1297 59.3 30500 7381 0.595
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 110.0 24.4 1.58 1255 55.8 29306 6728 0.609
Hodgdon H4198 110.0 23.6 1.53 1245 56.4 28552 6676 0.617
Alliant Reloder- 7 110.0 24.3 1.58 1235 59.5 24843 7265 0.655
Accurate 2200 110.0 25.5 1.65 1227 51.6 27753 6637 0.625
ADI AR 2207 110.0 23.5 1.52 1223 61.1 23994 7354 0.664
ADI BM2 110.0 26.8 1.74 1208 49.5 26981 6452 0.636
Norma 200 110.0 26.0 1.69 1208 55.8 22495 7469 0.685
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 110.0 25.8 1.67 1202 50.8 25096 6750 0.654
IMR 4198 110.0 22.6 1.46 1202 57.0 24527 6448 0.660
Ramshot X-Terminator 110.0 26.9 1.74 1193 48.9 25412 6552 0.652
Vihtavuori N120 110.0 23.0 1.49 1190 62.0 22815 6884 0.682
ADI AR 2219 110.0 26.0 1.68 1165 46.3 24917 6025 0.660
ADI AR 2210 110.0 26.0 1.68 1160 47.0 24494 6062 0.665
Kazan Sunar 308W 110.0 24.6 1.59 1157 54.1 22570 6333 0.688
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 110.0 26.9 1.74 1154 45.7 23893 6116 0.674
SNPE Vectan SP 10 110.0 26.9 1.74 1154 45.6 23828 6118 0.674
Hodgdon H335 110.0 27.4 1.78 1144 44.0 24293 5848 0.671
Alliant Reloder-10x 110.0 23.7 1.54 1093 48.7 19102 6002 0.742
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 110.0 25.7 1.67 1090 46.5 19808 5853 0.732
Vihtavuori N130 110.0 23.5 1.52 1083 50.2 19288 5670 0.741
Hodgdon Benchmark 110.0 24.8 1.60 1082 44.4 20365 5404 0.727
Ramshot TAC 110.0 26.9 1.74 1081 39.5 21281 5234 0.715
Alliant Reloder-12 110.0 25.6 1.66 1079 43.8 20581 5279 0.724
Hodgdon H322 110.0 24.4 1.58 1074 42.5 20193 5232 0.729
ADI AR 2206 110.0 24.9 1.61 1058 42.2 20004 5047 0.735
Vihtavuori N530 110.0 25.3 1.64 1055 39.1 19885 5054 0.735
Lovex D073.4 110.0 27.0 1.75 1049 39.5 19964 5189 0.734
Accurate 2230 110.0 27.0 1.75 1049 39.5 19964 5189 0.734
Winchester 748 110.0 27.1 1.75 1043 35.8 20383 4758 0.732
Somchem S321 110.0 27.1 1.75 1042 37.8 19509 5021 0.743
PB Clermont PCL 507 110.0 26.2 1.70 1041 37.8 19379 4898 0.745
Lovex S060 110.0 24.5 1.59 1041 40.8 19181 4930 0.749
IMR 8208 XBR 110.0 25.1 1.63 1040 39.1 18934 4915 0.752
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 110.0 25.0 1.62 1033 39.1 19194 4739 0.749
Accurate 2015 110.0 24.3 1.58 1030 44.2 17172 5346 0.779
Vihtavuori N133 110.0 23.0 1.49 1004 43.5 16956 4649 0.791
Accurate 2460 110.0 27.0 1.75 1000 36.8 17550 4868 0.776
Lovex D073.5 110.0 27.0 1.75 1000 36.8 17550 4868 0.776
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 110.0 24.5 1.59 998 38.6 17327 4584 0.782
Cartridge : .41 Rem. Mag. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .410, 210, Hornady HP/XTP 41000
Useable Case Capaci: 24.801 grain H2O = 1.610 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.590 inch = 40.39 mm
Barrel Length : 6.0 inch = 152.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 30500 psi, or 210 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
73 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 96.0 22.8 1.48 1427 84.2 30500 9843 0.587
Winchester 296 94.0 23.1 1.50 1394 72.6 30500 9346 0.599
Rottweil R910 96.3 20.3 1.32 1391 85.5 30500 9032 0.586
Vihtavuori N110 105.1 20.4 1.32 1386 84.7 30500 8788 0.593
Hodgdon H110 93.9 23.0 1.49 1376 76.7 30500 8932 0.604
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 99.4 22.7 1.47 1354 72.3 30500 8411 0.600
Lovex S053 110.0 22.6 1.46 1350 74.7 29952 8330 0.597
Hodgdon H4227 107.5 22.5 1.46 1324 68.6 30500 7816 0.591
IMR 4227 105.3 22.0 1.43 1316 68.3 30500 7589 0.593
Somchem S265 101.6 21.3 1.38 1310 75.2 30500 7624 0.615
Accurate 5744 96.2 20.6 1.33 1310 66.8 30500 7628 0.600
Lovex D060 96.2 20.6 1.33 1310 66.8 30500 7628 0.600
ADI AR 2205 96.5 21.0 1.36 1301 76.3 30500 7354 0.602
Accurate 1680 100.6 24.7 1.60 1297 59.3 30500 7381 0.595
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 110.0 24.4 1.58 1255 55.8 29306 6728 0.609
Hodgdon H4198 110.0 23.6 1.53 1245 56.4 28552 6676 0.617
Alliant Reloder- 7 110.0 24.3 1.58 1235 59.5 24843 7265 0.655
Accurate 2200 110.0 25.5 1.65 1227 51.6 27753 6637 0.625
ADI AR 2207 110.0 23.5 1.52 1223 61.1 23994 7354 0.664
ADI BM2 110.0 26.8 1.74 1208 49.5 26981 6452 0.636
Norma 200 110.0 26.0 1.69 1208 55.8 22495 7469 0.685
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 110.0 25.8 1.67 1202 50.8 25096 6750 0.654
IMR 4198 110.0 22.6 1.46 1202 57.0 24527 6448 0.660
Ramshot X-Terminator 110.0 26.9 1.74 1193 48.9 25412 6552 0.652
Vihtavuori N120 110.0 23.0 1.49 1190 62.0 22815 6884 0.682
ADI AR 2219 110.0 26.0 1.68 1165 46.3 24917 6025 0.660
ADI AR 2210 110.0 26.0 1.68 1160 47.0 24494 6062 0.665
Kazan Sunar 308W 110.0 24.6 1.59 1157 54.1 22570 6333 0.688
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 110.0 26.9 1.74 1154 45.7 23893 6116 0.674
SNPE Vectan SP 10 110.0 26.9 1.74 1154 45.6 23828 6118 0.674
Hodgdon H335 110.0 27.4 1.78 1144 44.0 24293 5848 0.671
Alliant Reloder-10x 110.0 23.7 1.54 1093 48.7 19102 6002 0.742
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 110.0 25.7 1.67 1090 46.5 19808 5853 0.732
Vihtavuori N130 110.0 23.5 1.52 1083 50.2 19288 5670 0.741
Hodgdon Benchmark 110.0 24.8 1.60 1082 44.4 20365 5404 0.727
Ramshot TAC 110.0 26.9 1.74 1081 39.5 21281 5234 0.715
Alliant Reloder-12 110.0 25.6 1.66 1079 43.8 20581 5279 0.724
Hodgdon H322 110.0 24.4 1.58 1074 42.5 20193 5232 0.729
ADI AR 2206 110.0 24.9 1.61 1058 42.2 20004 5047 0.735
Vihtavuori N530 110.0 25.3 1.64 1055 39.1 19885 5054 0.735
Lovex D073.4 110.0 27.0 1.75 1049 39.5 19964 5189 0.734
Accurate 2230 110.0 27.0 1.75 1049 39.5 19964 5189 0.734
Winchester 748 110.0 27.1 1.75 1043 35.8 20383 4758 0.732
Somchem S321 110.0 27.1 1.75 1042 37.8 19509 5021 0.743
PB Clermont PCL 507 110.0 26.2 1.70 1041 37.8 19379 4898 0.745
Lovex S060 110.0 24.5 1.59 1041 40.8 19181 4930 0.749
IMR 8208 XBR 110.0 25.1 1.63 1040 39.1 18934 4915 0.752
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 110.0 25.0 1.62 1033 39.1 19194 4739 0.749
Accurate 2015 110.0 24.3 1.58 1030 44.2 17172 5346 0.779
Vihtavuori N133 110.0 23.0 1.49 1004 43.5 16956 4649 0.791
Accurate 2460 110.0 27.0 1.75 1000 36.8 17550 4868 0.776
Lovex D073.5 110.0 27.0 1.75 1000 36.8 17550 4868 0.776
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 110.0 24.5 1.59 998 38.6 17327 4584 0.782
- Thread starter
- #4
wildgene
Handloader
- Jul 4, 2011
- 1,597
- 2
...well, if you can find a box or two of the discountinued Speer 220gr. JSPs, I'd go w/ them, or a 240-265gr. hard cast over a healthy dose of Lil'Gun or Enforcer. Really prefer the Lil'Gun over H110 or 2400, chrono says very good velocities, book says less pressure, ears say considerably less muzzle blast, good case fill so no "double charging". I'd stick to cast w/ gas checks like the Oregon Trail Trucast or Cast Performance...
...I shoot a lot of 210gr. XTP's & DeepCurls certainly wouldn't hesitate on a deer, but for "bear" I kinda like a heavy softpoint...
...I shoot a lot of 210gr. XTP's & DeepCurls certainly wouldn't hesitate on a deer, but for "bear" I kinda like a heavy softpoint...
Guy Miner
Master Loader
- Apr 6, 2006
- 17,807
- 6,143
Just a request for you .41 guys... There are NO .41 mag bullet tests posted in our Bullet Test section...
Just load up something you find interesting, fill up a mess of plastic one-gallon milk jugs with water, back off about 10 yards and let one fly!
Tell us how many jugs it penetrated, how much it expanded and what the doggone thing weighed when you recovered it. Muzzle velocity is nice too!
If you get a chance... :grin:
Thanks, Guy
Just load up something you find interesting, fill up a mess of plastic one-gallon milk jugs with water, back off about 10 yards and let one fly!
Tell us how many jugs it penetrated, how much it expanded and what the doggone thing weighed when you recovered it. Muzzle velocity is nice too!
If you get a chance... :grin:
Thanks, Guy
Even though I haven't a .41 mag, I think 265 cast would be good. I would might even go with Beartooth 280 or 300 gr. myself. I just personally think the extra weight would be a good thing when one has the possiblity of altercations with claws and teeth in those regions. I'm just not sure one can have too much mass for penetration, but it is a balancing act of all aspects. One aspect depends on your recoil management to gun sights. Don't do much good if recoil over shoots sights, as the heavier will shoot higher most often.
And seeings they have sizing options, get an accurate measurement of the cylinder throats, and get them sized as close as possible yet reliable feeding allows also. That is equally if not more important for accuracy, as the rest of the factors in the decision on a cast choice imo.
And seeings they have sizing options, get an accurate measurement of the cylinder throats, and get them sized as close as possible yet reliable feeding allows also. That is equally if not more important for accuracy, as the rest of the factors in the decision on a cast choice imo.
In my 41 mag Blackhawk with the 6 1/2" bbl I used the Rem 210 gr JSP (not HP) buillet over max. Lyman charge of H110. This load was clocking around 1500 fps and was a real stopper with a good balance of penetration and expansion on big whitetails. I also shot one good sized blackie weighing 357 lbs with this load. It was very accurate with "manageable" recoil from my rather light New Model Blackhawk. Haven't used the handgun much anymore as the type of cover I hunt has changed and I haven't been able to chase bears for several years now.
I think the .41 mag round loses some potential with bullets over 220 grains. Not enough case capacity to maximize velocity/energy with those big slugs, but even being slower they certainly will penetrate.
I think the .41 mag round loses some potential with bullets over 220 grains. Not enough case capacity to maximize velocity/energy with those big slugs, but even being slower they certainly will penetrate.
Read this last night but wasn't thinking correctly. Do a search on the smith-wessonforum.com site for .41 mag, or cruise the reloading section. Lots of fellow .41 addicts there, lots of very good information. Lots of folks like H110. In my 57's the 210 Rem JSP does well over AA #5 and 2400, altho I haven't pushed them much past 1250, which isn't exactly bear stopping power.
