Woodycreek
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Great shooting with 338. I need to get my big stick back out and do some shooting at 300 and past
45-70 Range Report
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HeathSexton
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JD338":3p6hj0jt said:
JD speaks the truth, I was always a bolt guy until I got a 336 .35 Rem and then an 1895G. Now the first thing I look for in a gun shop is the levers, then the revolvers, I need more lever guns I only have 5.
I also only have 2 45/70's, I think a man really needs 3. One for each hand and then a back-up just in case.
Woodycreek
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45-70 or 450 Marlin? Which one has the edge in FPS if you load for both of them in a lever gun?
They are both in and the same to me. I think cases and such may be a touch cheaper (45-70), but speed for speed, they are both the same when loaded to similar pressures. I am going off data for Marlin 1895's and Win 1886's. 450 Marlin will appear to be better in some manuals but overall, the 45-70 holds the edge in powder capacity. I would get either. Scotty
PS. Since you are in a red flag condition, you might as well go check out the local gun shop!
PS. Since you are in a red flag condition, you might as well go check out the local gun shop!
HeathSexton
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I took the 45/70 route because you can read about all the cool stuff it did over 100 years ago like the Sandy Hook Test.
Woodycreek
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Scotty,
Don't know of any gun stores in Nags Head but if i find one i know where i will spend the rest of the day. Gave up surfing for the rest of the day and knocked out in the pool. Getting ready to go rip it up on some Go-carts :twisted:
Heath,
Sandy Hook Test?
Don't know of any gun stores in Nags Head but if i find one i know where i will spend the rest of the day. Gave up surfing for the rest of the day and knocked out in the pool. Getting ready to go rip it up on some Go-carts :twisted:
Heath,
Sandy Hook Test?
HeathSexton
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"The new cartridge was completely identified as the .45-70-405, but was also commonly called the ".45 Government" cartridge in commercial catalogs. The nomenclature of the time was based on several properties of the cartridge:
.45 : nominal bullet diameter, in decimal inches i.e. 0.458 inches (11.4 mm)
70 : wt. of blackpowder charge, in grains i.e. 70 grains (4.5g)
405 : weight of lead bullet, in grains i.e. 405 grains (26.2 g)
The minimum acceptable accuracy of the .45-70 from the 1873 Springfield was approximately 4 inches (100 mm) at 100 yards (91 m), however, the heavy, slow-moving bullet had a "rainbow" trajectory, the bullet drop measured in multiple yards (meters) at ranges greater than a few hundred yards (meters). A skilled shooter, firing at known range, could consistently hit targets that were 6 × 6 feet (1.8 m) at 600 yards (550 m)—the Army standard target, and a skill mainly of value in mass or volley fire, since accurate aimed fire on a man-sized target was effective only to about 300 yards (270 m).
After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the .45-70 cartridge was produced, the .45-70-500, which fired a heavier 500 grain (32.5 g) bullet. The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 3,350 yards (3,120 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405. While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m). At those ranges, the bullets struck point-first at roughly a 30 degree angle, penetrating 3 one inch (2.5 cm) thick oak boards, and then traveling to a depth of 8 inches (20 cm) into the sand of the Sandy Hook beach*. It was hoped the longer range of the .45-70-500 would allow effective volleyed fire at ranges beyond those normally expected of infantry fire."
.45 : nominal bullet diameter, in decimal inches i.e. 0.458 inches (11.4 mm)
70 : wt. of blackpowder charge, in grains i.e. 70 grains (4.5g)
405 : weight of lead bullet, in grains i.e. 405 grains (26.2 g)
The minimum acceptable accuracy of the .45-70 from the 1873 Springfield was approximately 4 inches (100 mm) at 100 yards (91 m), however, the heavy, slow-moving bullet had a "rainbow" trajectory, the bullet drop measured in multiple yards (meters) at ranges greater than a few hundred yards (meters). A skilled shooter, firing at known range, could consistently hit targets that were 6 × 6 feet (1.8 m) at 600 yards (550 m)—the Army standard target, and a skill mainly of value in mass or volley fire, since accurate aimed fire on a man-sized target was effective only to about 300 yards (270 m).
After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the .45-70 cartridge was produced, the .45-70-500, which fired a heavier 500 grain (32.5 g) bullet. The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 3,350 yards (3,120 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405. While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m). At those ranges, the bullets struck point-first at roughly a 30 degree angle, penetrating 3 one inch (2.5 cm) thick oak boards, and then traveling to a depth of 8 inches (20 cm) into the sand of the Sandy Hook beach*. It was hoped the longer range of the .45-70-500 would allow effective volleyed fire at ranges beyond those normally expected of infantry fire."
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DrMike
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It is too late.
Woodycreek
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And so to will the levergun fever pass when i get one :lol: My Glock fever has passed since i have all of the Glock .40s now. But i think i may get a Glock 10mm fever :shock:
DrMike
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One lever gun is never enough. It becomes mandatory to buy a new one occasionally just to hold the fever in check. Look at POP and his 356s. This is number two, and it likely won't be the last. Heaven forbid that he should ever lay hands on a 45-70!
