7mm-08, 168 ABLR

[jason miller]

I managed to score some of the blems a couple weeks ago on SPS, and finally shot some of them last night. I loaded up 4 rounds(1 magazine full) of an established load for my rifle, 162 a-max and 46gr rl17, along with a couple sets of 4 with the 168. Unfortunately, I had a new scope on the rifle which I discovered has 5-6 inches of parallax at 200 yards, so groups weren't so good. But I did manage to get some velocity numbers. At 46 grains, the a-max load averaged 2763 fps. I've shot this load before with no pressure signs and very good groups. The 168's still didn't show any pressure signs, and averaged 2743 fps. I also managed to recover 3 of them from the dirt bank behind the target. They are all perfect mushrooms and retained 76.6, 82.1, and 85.3 grains.

 

[DrMike]

Sounds as if you are well on your way to a good load with these new bullets. That is pretty good weight retention with that sort of abuse.

 

[jason miller]

Yeah, I thought the same. These bullets should be great in a faster 7mm. I'd love to get my hands on some of the 150's for this rifle.

 

[DrMike]

All these will be released in due time. It looks as if I'll be picking up a 7mm-08 shortly and beginning load development. I'll be adding it to my growing collection of .284 calibre rifles. I agree, however, that the 150s should be just about right for that cartridge.

 

[JD338]

Jason,

Sounds pretty good.
Post some pictures of your bullet recoveries.

JD338

 

[jason miller]

I would love to, but don't know how. And I'm not very tech savvy. Don't have Photobucket, either. If you'd like to see or post them, pm my a phone number or email address and I'd gladly send pics to you.

 

[bobnob]

They will be great in a fast 7mm but it sounds like they're about spot-on in your 7-08 too Jason. 2750fps with that sort of ballistic profile - great hunting combo!

 

[jason miller]

Thanks Bob. It is a pretty good load, but a 140 berger with an extra 200 fps is pretty impressive, too. Speaking of which, what are the chances that anyone would want to run a quickload profile for either/both the 162 a-max/140 berger? Seating depths are 2.900" and 2.840", respectively. Neither are even close to the lands, which I assume is a lot of the reason I'm able to run them this fast. I'm just curious what quickload thinks velocity potential is and/or where my pressure might be.

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 162, Hornady A-MAX 28402
Useable Case Capaci: 46.633 grain H2O = 3.028 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.900 inch = 73.66 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52666 psi, or 363 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

9 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                          108.6     48.7     3.16    2665    96.6    52667   10767   1.184  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  97.0     43.8     2.84    2642    99.9    52667    9766   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            97.0     43.8     2.84    2642    99.9    52667    9766   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    109.9     48.3     3.13    2634    92.3    52667   10605   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.3     47.9     3.11    2630    94.9    52667   10406   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       110.3     47.9     3.11    2630    94.9    52667   10406   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.3     47.9     3.11    2630    94.9    52667   10406   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       104.6     44.7     2.90    2630   100.0    52667    9355   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.5     50.5     3.27    2624    90.3    52667   10574   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       107.8     47.6     3.08    2602    92.5    52667   10202   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 98.5     45.1     2.92    2601    97.7    52667    9783   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     101.7     45.2     2.93    2599    97.7    52667    9769   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  112.0     51.4     3.33    2596    92.5    52168   10393   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        112.0     47.6     3.09    2594    94.2    50551   10279   1.212
Winchester WXR                     112.0     47.6     3.09    2594    94.2    50551   10279   1.212
PB Clermont PCL 517                112.0     51.4     3.33    2590    92.2    51880   10380   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        95.9     43.6     2.83    2589    96.9    52667    9693   1.202  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      95.9     43.6     2.83    2589    96.9    52667    9693   1.202  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      100.9     43.4     2.81    2589    99.1    52667    9504   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          101.2     43.0     2.79    2587    99.0    52667    9470   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         101.2     43.0     2.79    2587    99.0    52667    9467   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     109.6     51.3     3.33    2587    94.9    52667    9959   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        108.4     47.1     3.05    2587    92.3    52667   10061   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      111.3     47.5     3.08    2586    92.4    52667    9919   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     98.1     43.1     2.79    2585    98.9    52667    9561   1.211  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 106.1     45.6     2.95    2584    94.8    52667    9813   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         106.8     45.9     2.97    2578    94.8    52667    9737   1.195  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        105.1     44.9     2.91    2575    94.5    52667    9698   1.191  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           106.3     43.8     2.84    2574    99.1    52667    9298   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      110.8     47.6     3.09    2567    97.6    52667    9444   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                104.1     43.3     2.80    2564    99.9    52667    8819   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       106.7     46.4     3.00    2562    96.0    52667    9505   1.213  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          100.4     44.6     2.89    2560    94.5    52667    9507   1.197  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          103.7     44.6     2.89    2560    94.5    52667    9507   1.197  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        103.7     44.6     2.89    2560    94.5    52667    9507   1.197  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            90.3     38.8     2.52    2553    99.7    52667    8995   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           112.0     46.8     3.03    2550    91.4    49532   10000   1.219
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       101.3     44.2     2.86    2548    96.5    52667    9310   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        112.0     50.0     3.24    2546    91.5    52021    9857   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       111.8     49.0     3.18    2545    89.3    52667    9712   1.195  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          93.4     40.6     2.63    2545   100.0    52667    8834   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       93.4     40.6     2.63    2545   100.0    52667    8834   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          91.6     39.4     2.55    2545    99.7    52667    8900   1.221  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  91.1     39.2     2.54    2544    99.5    52667    8943   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          91.1     39.2     2.54    2544    99.5    52667    8943   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                        91.1     39.2     2.54    2544    99.5    52667    8943   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      111.3     46.5     3.01    2543    91.8    52667    9451   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   107.0     46.5     3.01    2543    91.8    52667    9451   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             104.7     47.4     3.07    2540    94.4    52667    9303   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    112.0     47.6     3.09    2539    95.3    52355    9213   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       95.5     40.6     2.63    2539    99.9    52667    8760   1.232  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        92.7     40.7     2.64    2536    98.7    52667    9024   1.224  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     47.9     3.10    2533    96.6    45681   10223   1.262
Lovex S070                         100.1     42.6     2.76    2532    97.0    52667    9152   1.225  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        95.2     40.0     2.60    2530    99.8    52667    8724   1.228  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      102.6     43.2     2.80    2526    96.0    52667    9037   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           100.7     43.1     2.79    2526    96.1    52667    9026   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      104.2     44.1     2.86    2525    93.2    52667    9155   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      92.1     40.9     2.65    2521    98.8    52667    8784   1.220  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       92.9     39.1     2.53    2516   100.0    52667    8237   1.257  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          98.6     41.5     2.69    2513    98.0    52667    8860   1.227  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    111.3     45.9     2.97    2511    93.0    52667    8990   1.206  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       97.2     41.0     2.66    2503    96.1    52667    8877   1.224  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          97.2     41.0     2.66    2503    96.1    52667    8877   1.224  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        94.2     41.0     2.66    2502    96.1    52667    8871   1.224  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       103.1     47.2     3.06    2494    92.0    52667    8932   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       90.8     37.6     2.44    2488   100.0    52667    8190   1.238  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       94.2     42.2     2.74    2458    95.8    52667    8354   1.229  ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 162, Hornady A-MAX 28402
Useable Case Capaci: 46.633 grain H2O = 3.028 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.900 inch = 73.66 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    36.24   2188    1722   30425   8286     94.6    1.513
-18.0   82    37.15   2243    1810   32485   8526     95.7    1.473
-16.0   84    38.05   2299    1900   34687   8751     96.7    1.435
-14.0   86    38.96   2354    1993   37042   8960     97.5    1.397
-12.0   88    39.86   2409    2087   39566   9153     98.3    1.354
-10.0   90    40.77   2463    2183   42270   9328     98.9    1.312
-08.0   92    41.68   2518    2280   45171   9484     99.3    1.273
-06.0   94    42.58   2572    2380   48285   9621     99.7    1.234
-04.0   96    43.49   2626    2480   51634   9736     99.9    1.197  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   98    44.39   2679    2582   55236   9829    100.0    1.161  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    45.30   2732    2686   59115   9907    100.0    1.127  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    46.21   2785    2790   63302   9981    100.0    1.094  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    47.11   2837    2895   67823  10052    100.0    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  106    48.02   2889    3002   72714  10119    100.0    1.031  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    48.92   2940    3110   78015  10182    100.0    1.001  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  111    49.83   2992    3219   83771  10240    100.0    0.972  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    45.30   2839    2899   72224   9474    100.0    1.044  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    45.30   2569    2374   47806  10137     97.4    1.236

 

[DrMike]

Interestingly, the Hornady Handbook (9th Edition) lists 46.0 grains of RL17 as a maximum charge with the 162 grain A-Max.

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 140, Berger VLD #28503
Useable Case Capaci: 52.222 grain H2O = 3.391 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.840 inch = 72.14 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Ramshot Hunter

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   84    41.76   2313    1663   29967   8608     87.2    1.435
-18.0   86    42.80   2373    1750   32020   8907     88.7    1.397
-16.0   88    43.85   2433    1840   34221   9199     90.0    1.361
-14.0   90    44.89   2494    1933   36580   9481     91.3    1.324
-12.0   92    45.94   2555    2029   39111   9754     92.5    1.283
-10.0   94    46.98   2616    2127   41827  10016     93.6    1.243
-08.0   97    48.02   2677    2228   44743  10265     94.7    1.204
-06.0   99    49.07   2739    2331   47886  10501     95.7    1.167
-04.0  101    50.11   2800    2437   51266  10721     96.5    1.131  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    51.16   2862    2546   54911  10926     97.3    1.096  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  105    52.20   2923    2656   58843  11112     98.0    1.063  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  107    53.24   2985    2769   63095  11281     98.6    1.030  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  109    54.29   3046    2884   67696  11429     99.1    0.999  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  111    55.33   3107    3002   72685  11557     99.5    0.969  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  113    56.38   3169    3121   78103  11663     99.7    0.939  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  115    57.42   3230    3243   83965  11746     99.9    0.911  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    105    52.20   3068    2926   71413  10899    100.0    0.982  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    105    52.20   2728    2314   47636  10701     91.4    1.167

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 140, Berger VLD #28503
Useable Case Capaci: 52.222 grain H2O = 3.391 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.840 inch = 72.14 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52666 psi, or 363 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

9 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                          108.4     54.4     3.53    2889    95.5    52667   11845   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  97.0     49.0     3.17    2874    99.7    52667   10914   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            97.0     49.0     3.17    2874    99.7    52667   10914   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       104.5     50.0     3.24    2863   100.0    52667   10498   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    109.7     54.0     3.50    2855    91.0    52667   11623   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       110.2     53.6     3.47    2853    93.8    52667   11434   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.2     53.6     3.47    2853    93.8    52667   11434   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.2     53.6     3.47    2853    93.8    52667   11434   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.3     56.5     3.66    2842    89.0    52667   11560   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 98.4     50.5     3.27    2826    96.9    52667   10820   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     101.6     50.5     3.27    2825    96.8    52667   10804   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       107.6     53.2     3.45    2823    91.2    52667   11197   1.107  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  112.0     57.6     3.73    2818    91.3    52558   11389   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        112.0     53.3     3.46    2817    93.0    50788   11299   1.131
Winchester WXR                     112.0     53.3     3.46    2817    93.0    50788   11299   1.131
Accurate 4350                      100.9     48.6     3.15    2816    98.5    52667   10584   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        95.9     48.8     3.16    2815    95.9    52667   10730   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      95.9     48.8     3.16    2815    95.9    52667   10730   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          101.1     48.1     3.12    2815    98.4    52667   10531   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         101.1     48.2     3.12    2815    98.4    52667   10528   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                112.0     57.6     3.73    2812    91.0    52267   11371   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     98.0     48.2     3.12    2811    98.3    52667   10615   1.131  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 106.0     51.0     3.31    2807    93.7    52667   10803   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        108.3     52.7     3.41    2807    91.0    52667   11032   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      111.1     53.1     3.44    2806    91.1    52667   10893   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     109.4     57.4     3.72    2804    93.8    52667   10931   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           106.2     49.0     3.17    2800    98.6    52667   10348   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         106.7     51.4     3.33    2800    93.7    52667   10717   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        105.0     50.3     3.26    2798    93.4    52667   10679   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                104.0     48.4     3.14    2793    99.6    52667    9871   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      110.6     53.3     3.45    2788    96.8    52667   10444   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            90.4     43.5     2.82    2784    99.4    52667   10070   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       106.6     51.9     3.36    2783    95.1    52667   10489   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          103.6     49.9     3.23    2782    93.4    52667   10476   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          100.3     49.9     3.23    2782    93.4    52667   10476   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        103.6     49.9     3.23    2782    93.4    52667   10476   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          91.7     44.1     2.86    2774    99.3    52667    9959   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          93.4     45.5     2.95    2774    99.8    52667    9901   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       93.4     45.5     2.95    2774    99.8    52667    9901   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  91.2     43.9     2.84    2773    99.0    52667    9998   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          91.2     43.9     2.84    2773    99.0    52667    9998   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                        91.2     43.9     2.84    2773    99.0    52667    9998   1.137  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       101.2     49.5     3.21    2771    95.5    52667   10291   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           112.0     52.4     3.40    2769    90.1    49722   10977   1.137
Rottweil R903                       95.5     45.5     2.95    2768    99.6    52667    9820   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        112.0     56.0     3.63    2766    90.2    52331   10802   1.114  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    112.0     53.3     3.46    2762    94.4    52595   10166   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        92.7     45.6     2.95    2762    98.0    52667   10043   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      111.2     52.0     3.37    2762    90.6    52667   10376   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   106.9     52.0     3.37    2762    90.6    52667   10376   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       111.7     54.8     3.55    2761    87.9    52667   10614   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             104.5     53.1     3.44    2759    93.3    52667   10229   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        95.3     44.9     2.91    2758    99.6    52667    9765   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         100.0     47.6     3.09    2755    96.1    52667   10139   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                      102.6     48.3     3.13    2748    95.0    52667    9995   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                           100.7     48.2     3.12    2748    95.1    52667    9985   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       93.0     43.8     2.84    2748   100.0    52667    9283   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 112.0     53.6     3.47    2747    95.5    45897   11246   1.179
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      92.1     45.8     2.97    2747    98.1    52667    9784   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      104.1     49.4     3.20    2745    92.0    52667   10087   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          98.6     46.4     3.01    2737    97.3    52667    9840   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    111.2     51.3     3.33    2729    91.8    52667    9897   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       97.2     45.9     2.98    2725    95.1    52667    9831   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          97.2     45.9     2.98    2725    95.1    52667    9831   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        94.2     46.0     2.98    2725    95.1    52667    9824   1.140  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       90.9     42.2     2.73    2717    99.8    52667    9210   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       103.0     52.8     3.42    2709    90.8    52667    9813   1.134  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       94.1     47.3     3.06    2678    94.8    52667    9254   1.144  ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge          : 7 mm-08 Rem.
Bullet             : .284, 140, Berger VLD #28503
Useable Case Capaci: 52.222 grain H2O = 3.391 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.840 inch = 72.14 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   80    40.48   2363    1736   30129   9075     92.8    1.421
-18.0   82    41.49   2424    1827   32179   9360     94.1    1.384
-16.0   84    42.50   2485    1920   34374   9630     95.3    1.348
-14.0   86    43.52   2546    2016   36724   9884     96.3    1.312
-12.0   88    44.53   2608    2114   39241  10120     97.2    1.270
-10.0   90    45.54   2669    2214   41941  10337     98.0    1.231
-08.0   92    46.55   2730    2316   44838  10534     98.7    1.193
-06.0   94    47.56   2790    2420   47950  10709     99.2    1.157
-04.0   96    48.58   2850    2526   51297  10861     99.6    1.121  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   98    49.59   2910    2633   54899  10989     99.9    1.087  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    50.60   2970    2742   58780  11091    100.0    1.054  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    51.61   3029    2852   62967  11171    100.0    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    52.62   3087    2963   67493  11245    100.0    0.992  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  106    53.64   3145    3076   72390  11315    100.0    0.962  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  108    54.65   3203    3190   77698  11381    100.0    0.933  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  110    55.66   3261    3305   83461  11442    100.0    0.906  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    50.60   3096    2979   71805  10609    100.0    0.974  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    50.60   2781    2405   47553  11164     96.3    1.158

 

[SJB358]

Sounds like some excellent results from the 7-08. I agree with the others, at 2750, with that 168, you would have some excellent ballistics. That bullet should be excellent for anything from deer to moose really, since you aren't pushing it overly hard. Plus, being fairly soft, it'll open up just fine.

Great shooting, still have some loads to tweak for my 7mm WSM, but it sounds like this bullet is a winner in the 7mm class. Can't wait for some of the Ackley guys to try it out.

 

[jason miller]

Many thanks, Dr Mike!

And I wholeheartedly agree, Scott. Nosler seems to be hitting this line out of the park.

 

[Rem Jim]

Great info there Mike ! Could you run a 7mm Rem Mag data sheet too please ? with 140 & 160 gr-ers !

Much appreciated - Cheers RJ

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet             : .284, 140, Nosler AccuBond 59992
Useable Case Capaci: 74.196 grain H2O = 4.817 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N570

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   88    63.36   2469    1896   27968  10975     77.0    1.591
-18.0   90    64.94   2545    2014   30069  11476     79.1    1.545
-16.0   92    66.53   2622    2137   32350  11973     81.1    1.500
-14.0   94    68.11   2700    2267   34825  12462     83.1    1.455
-12.0   97    69.70   2780    2403   37516  12940     85.0    1.410
-10.0   99    71.28   2861    2544   40447  13404     86.8    1.359
-08.0  101    72.86   2943    2692   43643  13852     88.6    1.309
-06.0  103    74.45   3025    2845   47131  14278     90.3    1.262
-04.0  105    76.03   3109    3005   50949  14682     91.8    1.216
-02.0  108    77.62   3194    3171   55135  15058     93.3    1.172  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  110    79.20   3279    3342   59732  15404     94.6    1.128  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  112    80.78   3365    3519   64796  15716     95.8    1.087  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  114    82.37   3451    3702   70385  15992     96.8    1.046  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  116    83.95   3538    3891   76574  16227     97.7    1.007  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  119    85.54   3625    4085   83446  16418     98.5    0.969  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  121    87.12   3713    4285   91104  16563     99.1    0.933  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    110    79.20   3508    3825   75569  15579     99.5    1.022  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    110    79.20   2985    2770   46838  14149     84.3    1.263

Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet             : .284, 140, Nosler AccuBond 59992
Useable Case Capaci: 74.196 grain H2O = 4.817 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 53375 psi, or 368 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

41 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570                    106.7     77.0     4.99    3159    92.7    53375   14908   1.190  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225                        110.1     75.7     4.91    3151    99.6    53375   13890   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.1     75.7     4.91    3151    99.6    53375   13890   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33                 106.4     80.0     5.18    3144    93.6    53375   14709   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 103.2     70.2     4.55    3129   100.0    53375   13152   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218                        109.9     80.1     5.19    3127    91.6    53375   14984   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        105.7     72.3     4.68    3121    97.5    53375   13826   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        105.7     72.3     4.68    3121    97.5    53375   13826   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                           95.5     68.2     4.42    3120    99.1    53375   13524   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                100.5     73.4     4.76    3114    97.5    53375   13593   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  100.4     73.3     4.75    3114    97.6    53375   13574   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                     97.1     67.9     4.40    3109    96.4    53375   13668   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        96.0     67.5     4.37    3101    96.9    53375   13309   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           101.5     67.5     4.37    3101    96.9    53375   13309   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                     97.6     70.9     4.60    3096    94.9    53375   13705   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870                       112.0     79.1     5.13    3095    94.1    50986   14379   1.218
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation        97.3     67.3     4.36    3088    98.1    53375   13229   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                  97.3     67.3     4.36    3088    98.1    53375   13229   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                        97.3     67.3     4.36    3088    98.1    53375   13229   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                         99.9     67.6     4.38    3086    98.0    53375   13233   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                      99.9     67.6     4.38    3086    98.0    53375   13233   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                         96.9     67.0     4.34    3086    96.8    53375   13147   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        101.0     71.7     4.65    3080    97.1    53375   13067   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      106.2     71.9     4.66    3078    97.1    53375   13029   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        106.2     71.9     4.66    3078    97.1    53375   13029   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      97.8     72.9     4.72    3077    98.8    53375   12810   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50                 112.0     82.9     5.37    3064    91.1    49061   14716   1.257
Rottweil R905                       98.5     66.9     4.33    3054    96.4    53375   12845   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         93.7     63.7     4.13    3052    97.9    53375   12523   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       100.3     70.0     4.53    3046    94.6    53375   12844   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  94.0     64.3     4.17    3046    98.0    53375   12565   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        91.2     62.1     4.02    3040   100.0    53375   11476   1.213  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          94.7     64.8     4.20    3039    98.0    53375   12478   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           92.2     63.0     4.09    3024    97.8    53375   12251   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         92.2     63.0     4.09    3024    97.8    53375   12251   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       99.4     66.0     4.28    3021    96.1    53375   12354   1.191  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    95.5     66.0     4.28    3021    96.1    53375   12354   1.191  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41                   108.4     79.0     5.12    3021    85.6    53375   13054   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        94.3     65.2     4.22    3011    98.7    53375   12090   1.216  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            93.6     61.3     3.97    3008   100.0    53375   11571   1.217  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              93.2     67.2     4.36    3003    97.9    53375   11995   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                       97.5     66.7     4.32    3000    99.6    53375   11863   1.233  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         103.1     66.7     4.32    3000    99.6    53375   11863   1.233  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                     99.5     67.3     4.36    2998    98.5    53375   11826   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       92.9     62.7     4.06    2995    96.9    53375   11924   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170                    109.0     73.7     4.78    2995    91.0    53375   12576   1.215  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 112.0     81.0     5.25    2993    82.8    51159   13629   1.261
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 91.7     60.7     3.93    2991   100.0    53375   10927   1.206  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       91.5     61.2     3.97    2988    98.7    53375   11619   1.197  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                     99.3     65.1     4.22    2979    96.8    53375   11719   1.198  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100                         106.0     78.0     5.06    2964    86.9    53375   12170   1.202  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                        92.1     67.1     4.35    2961    96.1    53375   11669   1.207  ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet             : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932
Useable Case Capaci: 72.286 grain H2O = 4.693 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Vihtavuori N560

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   78    53.36   2410    2063   30896  10762     88.7    1.611
-18.0   80    54.69   2472    2171   32990  11130     90.1    1.571
-16.0   82    56.03   2534    2282   35221  11489     91.4    1.532
-14.0   84    57.36   2597    2396   37619  11836     92.7    1.490
-12.0   86    58.70   2659    2512   40176  12169     93.8    1.444
-10.0   88    60.03   2722    2632   42910  12487     94.9    1.399
-08.0   90    61.36   2785    2755   45841  12789     95.9    1.356
-06.0   92    62.70   2847    2880   48977  13073     96.7    1.315
-04.0   94    64.03   2910    3008   52305  13338     97.5    1.275  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   96    65.37   2972    3138   55843  13582     98.2    1.237  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   98    66.70   3034    3271   59621  13804     98.7    1.200  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  100    68.03   3096    3406   63658  14003     99.2    1.165  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  102    69.37   3158    3543   67975  14177     99.6    1.130  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  104    70.70   3219    3682   72596  14326     99.8    1.097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  106    72.04   3280    3823   77546  14447    100.0    1.065  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  108    73.37   3341    3965   82856  14541    100.0    1.034  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    66.70   3181    3594   72014  13441    100.0    1.107  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    66.70   2833    2851   47741  13388     92.7    1.323

Cartridge          : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet             : .284, 160, Nosler AccuBond 54932
Useable Case Capaci: 72.286 grain H2O = 4.693 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 53375 psi, or 368 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

46 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570                    104.2     73.2     4.75    2991    94.6    53375   14820   1.258  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50                 111.4     80.3     5.20    2982    94.4    53375   15023   1.280  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218                        107.8     76.5     4.96    2980    94.1    53375   15056   1.241  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33                 104.0     76.2     4.94    2979    95.4    53375   14638   1.260  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    107.7     72.1     4.67    2977   100.0    53375   13511   1.251  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225                        107.7     72.1     4.67    2977   100.0    53375   13511   1.251  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870                       110.7     76.2     4.94    2976    96.5    53375   14457   1.260  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 100.7     66.7     4.32    2943   100.0    53375   12706   1.258  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                 98.2     69.8     4.53    2941    98.7    53375   13360   1.255  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        103.0     68.6     4.45    2940    98.6    53375   13546   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        103.0     68.6     4.45    2940    98.6    53375   13546   1.273  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                   98.0     69.7     4.52    2940    98.7    53375   13336   1.256  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                           93.0     64.7     4.19    2934    99.7    53375   13147   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                     94.6     64.4     4.18    2929    97.7    53375   13415   1.263  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                            99.1     64.2     4.16    2924    98.2    53375   13056   1.251  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                        93.7     64.2     4.16    2924    98.2    53375   13056   1.251  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                     95.2     67.4     4.37    2921    96.4    53375   13516   1.272  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                         98.9     68.4     4.43    2912    98.4    53375   12864   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                         94.7     63.8     4.13    2911    98.1    53375   12917   1.249  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      104.0     68.5     4.44    2910    98.4    53375   12828   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        104.0     68.5     4.44    2910    98.4    53375   12828   1.246  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                  94.9     63.9     4.14    2907    99.1    53375   12924   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation        94.9     63.9     4.14    2907    99.1    53375   12924   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                        94.9     63.9     4.14    2907    99.1    53375   12924   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                         97.4     64.2     4.16    2906    99.0    53375   12936   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                      97.4     64.2     4.16    2906    99.0    53375   12936   1.270  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      95.5     69.3     4.49    2900    99.5    53375   12517   1.263  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.7     78.0     5.05    2880    85.9    53375   13925   1.304  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation        98.1     66.7     4.32    2878    96.2    53375   12713   1.251  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                       96.2     63.6     4.12    2878    97.7    53375   12615   1.269  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         91.4     60.6     3.93    2871    98.9    53375   12237   1.255  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41                   106.3     75.5     4.89    2870    88.0    53375   13154   1.253  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869                     112.0     79.5     5.15    2869    88.2    53307   13262   1.263  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                  91.7     61.1     3.96    2867    99.0    53375   12279   1.264  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG                      112.0     75.8     4.91    2864    83.9    53164   13300   1.262  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation          92.5     61.6     3.99    2861    98.9    53375   12199   1.265  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       97.1     62.8     4.07    2848    97.4    53375   12155   1.261  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                    93.3     62.8     4.07    2848    97.4    53375   12155   1.261  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        92.0     62.0     4.02    2833    99.5    53375   11777   1.287  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170                    106.6     70.3     4.55    2833    92.9    53375   12521   1.284  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              91.1     64.0     4.15    2828    98.9    53375   11750   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                     97.1     64.0     4.15    2822    99.3    53375   11547   1.276  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            91.3     58.2     3.77    2822   100.0    53375   11136   1.289  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                       95.1     63.4     4.11    2821   100.0    53375   11496   1.305  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         100.6     63.4     4.11    2821   100.0    53375   11496   1.305  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       90.8     59.6     3.87    2821    98.1    53375   11690   1.264  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100                         103.8     74.5     4.82    2807    89.0    53375   12206   1.271  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                     97.1     62.0     4.02    2806    98.0    53375   11505   1.267  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  112.0     76.3     4.94    2805    92.1    48734   12940   1.323
Accurate 8700                      112.0     77.9     5.05    2795    91.7    47979   12966   1.318
Somchem S361                        90.1     63.9     4.14    2793    97.4    53375   11490   1.277  ! Near Maximu