DrMike
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Very handsome wheelgun, ColColt.
7x57 On The Way
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ColColt
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A great shooter as well. I had a mould built by Accurate Moulds for a 260 gr bullet that shoots bugholes...IF I do my part. I found 10.5 gr of HS-6 with this bullet is superbly accurate. This revolver is for sure a keeper. That's 12 shots.
HOGWILD338-378
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Oh my ! Makes my thumb throb just thinking about running a box thru that beauty ! I found a glove after first couple cylinder's that checkering was tearing my thumb up :lol: lotta fun and open carry is legal in NM as long as ya do not go into the wrong establishments! :lol: nice shot I might add !
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ColColt
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- Apr 27, 2014
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I've never had to use a glove with the M29. I just found a pic of the bullet I shot that group with. It's actually more accurate than the famous Keith bullet...429421, I think it is. This bullet has a large meplat to say the least and cuts great holes in targets.
VERY BEAUTIFUL 7x57! It is a cartridge that makes me smile really big. My son has an older 7x57 Push feeder XTR Featherweight. It is beautifully accurate and ultimately, loaded to 60K PSI like the 30-06 it is a really a big performer. Not sure what bullets your looking at using, but here are a couple sneak peeks at the old Mauser.
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 140, Speer TBBC 1745
Useable Case Capaci: 54.286 grain H2O = 3.525 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 41.60 2403 1795 31331 9529 94.2 1.405
-18.0 81 42.64 2464 1887 33444 9811 95.4 1.367
-16.0 83 43.68 2524 1981 35700 10077 96.4 1.330
-14.0 85 44.72 2585 2077 38114 10325 97.3 1.294
-12.0 87 45.76 2646 2176 40699 10554 98.1 1.257
-10.0 89 46.80 2706 2276 43468 10763 98.7 1.218
-08.0 91 47.84 2766 2378 46438 10950 99.2 1.181
-06.0 93 48.88 2826 2482 49624 11113 99.6 1.145
-04.0 95 49.92 2885 2588 53046 11252 99.9 1.110
-02.0 97 50.96 2944 2695 56725 11366 100.0 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 52.00 3003 2803 60686 11458 100.0 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 53.04 3060 2912 64954 11545 100.0 1.014 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 54.08 3118 3022 69556 11629 100.0 0.984 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 55.12 3175 3133 74532 11708 100.0 0.955 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 56.16 3231 3246 79919 11783 100.0 0.927 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 57.20 3288 3360 85755 11853 100.0 0.900 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 52.00 3122 3030 74104 10991 100.0 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 52.00 2822 2475 49078 11664 97.3 1.147
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler BalTip 28150
Useable Case Capaci: 52.135 grain H2O = 3.385 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 40.00 2328 1805 31450 9269 95.2 1.451
-18.0 81 41.00 2387 1897 33589 9531 96.2 1.412
-16.0 83 42.00 2445 1991 35877 9777 97.2 1.373
-14.0 85 43.00 2503 2087 38325 10005 98.0 1.332
-12.0 87 44.00 2562 2186 40946 10212 98.6 1.291
-10.0 89 45.00 2619 2285 43753 10400 99.2 1.251
-08.0 91 46.00 2677 2387 46764 10565 99.6 1.214
-06.0 93 47.00 2734 2490 49994 10707 99.8 1.176
-04.0 95 48.00 2791 2594 53466 10826 100.0 1.141
-02.0 97 49.00 2847 2700 57196 10922 100.0 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 50.00 2903 2806 61212 11011 100.0 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 51.00 2958 2914 65539 11098 100.0 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 52.00 3013 3023 70208 11180 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 53.00 3067 3133 75253 11259 100.0 0.982 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 54.00 3121 3244 80714 11333 100.0 0.953 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 55.00 3175 3357 86634 11403 100.0 0.926 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 50.00 3013 3023 74831 10567 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 50.00 2734 2490 49406 11311 97.9 1.178
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler PART SP 16327
Useable Case Capaci: 52.348 grain H2O = 3.399 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 77 39.20 2258 1811 31282 9248 96.2 1.498
-18.0 79 40.18 2313 1901 33375 9497 97.1 1.458
-16.0 81 41.16 2369 1993 35610 9730 97.9 1.419
-14.0 83 42.14 2424 2087 37994 9944 98.6 1.378
-12.0 85 43.12 2479 2183 40543 10139 99.1 1.336
-10.0 87 44.10 2533 2280 43269 10313 99.5 1.295
-08.0 89 45.08 2587 2378 46182 10466 99.8 1.257
-06.0 91 46.06 2641 2478 49302 10597 100.0 1.219
-04.0 93 47.04 2694 2579 52644 10705 100.0 1.184
-02.0 95 48.02 2747 2681 56229 10806 100.0 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 49.00 2799 2784 60074 10904 100.0 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 99 49.98 2851 2887 64206 10998 100.0 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 101 50.96 2902 2992 68649 11089 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 103 51.94 2953 3098 73435 11176 100.0 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 105 52.92 3004 3206 78596 11259 100.0 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 106 53.90 3054 3315 84169 11339 100.0 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 49.00 2901 2989 73318 10483 100.0 1.034 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 49.00 2643 2482 48458 11266 98.5 1.223
Not such a weakling some would think. I love the rifle and cartridge.
Beautiful handguns as well. I love those old WFN cast bullets in the 44!
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 140, Speer TBBC 1745
Useable Case Capaci: 54.286 grain H2O = 3.525 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 41.60 2403 1795 31331 9529 94.2 1.405
-18.0 81 42.64 2464 1887 33444 9811 95.4 1.367
-16.0 83 43.68 2524 1981 35700 10077 96.4 1.330
-14.0 85 44.72 2585 2077 38114 10325 97.3 1.294
-12.0 87 45.76 2646 2176 40699 10554 98.1 1.257
-10.0 89 46.80 2706 2276 43468 10763 98.7 1.218
-08.0 91 47.84 2766 2378 46438 10950 99.2 1.181
-06.0 93 48.88 2826 2482 49624 11113 99.6 1.145
-04.0 95 49.92 2885 2588 53046 11252 99.9 1.110
-02.0 97 50.96 2944 2695 56725 11366 100.0 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 52.00 3003 2803 60686 11458 100.0 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 53.04 3060 2912 64954 11545 100.0 1.014 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 54.08 3118 3022 69556 11629 100.0 0.984 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 55.12 3175 3133 74532 11708 100.0 0.955 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 56.16 3231 3246 79919 11783 100.0 0.927 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 57.20 3288 3360 85755 11853 100.0 0.900 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 52.00 3122 3030 74104 10991 100.0 0.967 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 52.00 2822 2475 49078 11664 97.3 1.147
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler BalTip 28150
Useable Case Capaci: 52.135 grain H2O = 3.385 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 79 40.00 2328 1805 31450 9269 95.2 1.451
-18.0 81 41.00 2387 1897 33589 9531 96.2 1.412
-16.0 83 42.00 2445 1991 35877 9777 97.2 1.373
-14.0 85 43.00 2503 2087 38325 10005 98.0 1.332
-12.0 87 44.00 2562 2186 40946 10212 98.6 1.291
-10.0 89 45.00 2619 2285 43753 10400 99.2 1.251
-08.0 91 46.00 2677 2387 46764 10565 99.6 1.214
-06.0 93 47.00 2734 2490 49994 10707 99.8 1.176
-04.0 95 48.00 2791 2594 53466 10826 100.0 1.141
-02.0 97 49.00 2847 2700 57196 10922 100.0 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 50.00 2903 2806 61212 11011 100.0 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 51.00 2958 2914 65539 11098 100.0 1.042 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 52.00 3013 3023 70208 11180 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 53.00 3067 3133 75253 11259 100.0 0.982 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 54.00 3121 3244 80714 11333 100.0 0.953 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 55.00 3175 3357 86634 11403 100.0 0.926 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 50.00 3013 3023 74831 10567 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 50.00 2734 2490 49406 11311 97.9 1.178
Cartridge : 7 x 57 mm Mauser (SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler PART SP 16327
Useable Case Capaci: 52.348 grain H2O = 3.399 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.071 inch = 78.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 77 39.20 2258 1811 31282 9248 96.2 1.498
-18.0 79 40.18 2313 1901 33375 9497 97.1 1.458
-16.0 81 41.16 2369 1993 35610 9730 97.9 1.419
-14.0 83 42.14 2424 2087 37994 9944 98.6 1.378
-12.0 85 43.12 2479 2183 40543 10139 99.1 1.336
-10.0 87 44.10 2533 2280 43269 10313 99.5 1.295
-08.0 89 45.08 2587 2378 46182 10466 99.8 1.257
-06.0 91 46.06 2641 2478 49302 10597 100.0 1.219
-04.0 93 47.04 2694 2579 52644 10705 100.0 1.184
-02.0 95 48.02 2747 2681 56229 10806 100.0 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 97 49.00 2799 2784 60074 10904 100.0 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 99 49.98 2851 2887 64206 10998 100.0 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 101 50.96 2902 2992 68649 11089 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 103 51.94 2953 3098 73435 11176 100.0 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 105 52.92 3004 3206 78596 11259 100.0 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 106 53.90 3054 3315 84169 11339 100.0 0.966 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 97 49.00 2901 2989 73318 10483 100.0 1.034 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 97 49.00 2643 2482 48458 11266 98.5 1.223
Not such a weakling some would think. I love the rifle and cartridge.
Beautiful handguns as well. I love those old WFN cast bullets in the 44!
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ColColt
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Wow-thanks for all that info. Actually, I've had a hard time finding 150-160 gr bullets. Last night I ordered some 140 gr Nosler BT's and some Hornady Interlock's in the same weight but, I'm still looking. I have RL15 and 19 but wouldn't you know it, no RL17. I'll probably try IMR 4350 and RL19 to see how they perform with those 140 grainers.
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ColColt
Handloader
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You can't beat that. I'll bet that 52 gr charge is near a max load but it sure did the job. I think this caliber is like the 22-250-hard to find a bad powder that doesn't work well.
nvbroncrider
Handloader
- Aug 20, 2011
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Good man I got one in a new FW and 150PT went under 3/4" 7-9 through the barrel H414 @ 48gr according to QL got about 3 gr to work up to max. I need to get on the bench that's one fun rifle might be my favorite 7mm I have.
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ColColt
Handloader
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Cabelas has me a little aggravated. I'm not getting much in the realm of communication from them as to whether the received my LGS FFl copy or not. I had the guys at my dealer email and fax them a copy and asked them to let me know when they received it. I've had to call them three times. Today I called and the guy I bought the rifle from wasn't there and I was told he was the only one handling this and they couldn't get into the system...whatever that meant.
I noticed they have about six 7x57's shown on their website and they all look like mine! Reading the caveat at the bottom of the description on each it indicated the photo shown is a stock photo and the actual rifle may have a different grain pattern. That made me nervous and read the description of the one I bought and there is no caveat to that affect so, they must have used a photo of it to show the others. I'm going to be an unhappy camper if the one I thought I bought is not the one pictured.
I noticed they have about six 7x57's shown on their website and they all look like mine! Reading the caveat at the bottom of the description on each it indicated the photo shown is a stock photo and the actual rifle may have a different grain pattern. That made me nervous and read the description of the one I bought and there is no caveat to that affect so, they must have used a photo of it to show the others. I'm going to be an unhappy camper if the one I thought I bought is not the one pictured.
tddeangelo
Handloader
- May 18, 2011
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I live right near the PA Cabela's.
This does not shock me in the least, unfortunately.
They are unable to give me a definitive answer on a warranty issue, either. The answer depends on whom I ask, the phase of the moon, what they had for breakfast, and if Jupiter is in Sagittarius, or something to that effect.
If you want to be sure, you will have to hound them till someone pulls out YOUR rifle and looks at it, and at that, the someone you get on the phone may only have a vague idea of what separates a rifle from a shotgun.
Rest assured, you'll get a 7x57 Winchester of the type you ordered. Unfortunately, my dealing with Cabela's put me on alert on this one, and I'm nervous for you.
The good news, however, is that I've seen this model of the M70 in the store by me, and ALL the 7x57's have been stocked in a very, very nice wood. I haven't seen a dog in the bunch. Where I saw a few was in the batch of the 50th Anniv rifles they almost had to give away to get rid of....some of those had amazing wood. Some looked like they used the pallets the rifles were shipped on to then make stocks.
The 257's and 7x57's I've seen, and there have been a handful of both, were all lookers.
This does not shock me in the least, unfortunately.
They are unable to give me a definitive answer on a warranty issue, either. The answer depends on whom I ask, the phase of the moon, what they had for breakfast, and if Jupiter is in Sagittarius, or something to that effect.
If you want to be sure, you will have to hound them till someone pulls out YOUR rifle and looks at it, and at that, the someone you get on the phone may only have a vague idea of what separates a rifle from a shotgun.
Rest assured, you'll get a 7x57 Winchester of the type you ordered. Unfortunately, my dealing with Cabela's put me on alert on this one, and I'm nervous for you.
The good news, however, is that I've seen this model of the M70 in the store by me, and ALL the 7x57's have been stocked in a very, very nice wood. I haven't seen a dog in the bunch. Where I saw a few was in the batch of the 50th Anniv rifles they almost had to give away to get rid of....some of those had amazing wood. Some looked like they used the pallets the rifles were shipped on to then make stocks.
The 257's and 7x57's I've seen, and there have been a handful of both, were all lookers.
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ColColt
Handloader
- Apr 27, 2014
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I finally got a call from them this morning that they did receive the FFL copy from my deler. They should have, they sent it to them three times. He said it would ship Monday as they ship Mondays and Tuesdays to keep the rifles from sitting on the dock all weekend.
If you look at the six 7x57's the Thornton, CO store has the photos all look alike. As mentioned all of them except one have the caveat at the bottom description that they are stock photos. The one I bought does not have that caveat s,o I'm hoping what I saw is what I get. Apparently, they took one picture of that rifle and displayed it on their website for all the ones they have listed. So, you don't know what the others really look like.
If you look at the six 7x57's the Thornton, CO store has the photos all look alike. As mentioned all of them except one have the caveat at the bottom description that they are stock photos. The one I bought does not have that caveat s,o I'm hoping what I saw is what I get. Apparently, they took one picture of that rifle and displayed it on their website for all the ones they have listed. So, you don't know what the others really look like.
