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Congrats on your elk.
I second the idea of Nathan’s Beast Brake , they work.
I second the idea of Nathan’s Beast Brake , they work.
Caught Yet "Another" Great Deal!
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LimbSaver fixed that issue years ago and the newer pads work as intended (very well). I have several on my rifles, even the 2 I had that went soft and replaced, and have had no issues since.
Another update!Since most rifle loonies have a rifle or two (or more) in their closet or safe that doesn't get out as often as they should, I would say that it just proves we are all sinners anyways!
I too recently acquired another rifle...a LH Browning X Bolt All Weather in 270 WSM in excellent condition that came with rings, scope and ammo for a good price. It is the early version w/o the muzzle break. Supposedly shoots the Federal Premium 140 gr Trophy Bonded Tip ammo that came with it into 1" groups, We'll see. Also look forward to trying the 136 gr Terminal Ascent ammo in it once I can acquire some. I will swap out the Nikon Monarch 3 3-12x42 scope that came with it for a Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 B&C Gunmetal Grey scope I have on hand.
Will look similar to the 6.5 Creedmoor I have, except for the colour of its' matte Leupold scope, that I took to New Zealand last spring, and am taking to Africa in May.
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I have picked up some Low Talley's and am getting them Cerakoted in Titanium finish to match the rifle and lower the scope
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New Talley's mounted. THe Federal 140gr Trophy Bonded Tip ammo shot 3 shot groups @ 100 yards of 0.396" at 3156 fps out of the 23" factory barrel (factory specs of 3200 fps from a 24" barrel) and a SD of 7.8! Most accurate ammo shot to date in this rifle; too bad it is discontinued! But I did find 2 more boxes in a gunstore on a recent business trip! And it worked fine on my caribou this fall at 210 yards! It also shoots the Nosler 140 gr AB ammo into 0.565" groups @ 100 yards at 3073 fps (factory spec at 3100 fps) and SD of 18.1, so I do have a great shooting second option! I also found some of the Federal 136 gr Terminal Ascent ammo for it in another gunstore on this trip, so will finally get to test it too!View attachment 21754With Leupold mounted rifle weighs 7 lbs 13 oz w/ empty magazine.
I just found another one of these rifles chambered in 7mm Rem Mag, and at a better price than I paid for the 270 WSM above! The only difference will be a 26" barrel on the big 7 compared to the WSM's 23" barrel, with an overall weight difference for the longer action and barrel of just 5 oz. Now to get it home!
Have already found 5 boxes of the Federal 155 gr Terminal Ascent ammo for it.
I have a set of Talley 1" lows for it that I will take in to get cerakoted in Titanium to match, and mount a spare Leupold VX-3 3.5-10x40 B&C Gunmetal Grey scope I have on hand.
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Nice catch BlkRam! (and be careful driving home, (assuming you are on The Road?) As you may know, Utah is Browning Country (may as well say 7mm Rem Mag Country too, very popular here!) That 155 TA sounds interesting, and I read some very good reviews of it on Game.
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I'm apparently making BC Browning country too, as this will be my 5th rifle in my safe at this time, and my wife has an X Bolt too.. (By getting it home I mean either waiting to have it shipped or taking a road trip to pick it up over the Christmas Holidays, as Canada Post is currently on strike)
If the Terminal Ascent rifle performs as well as it has in my 6.5 CM's, I'll be happy!
And I'll get to perform side-by-side comparisons of the ammo in the 7mm Rem Mag and PRC when I find the Terminal Ascent ammo for that rifle too. Should be fun! (If the mail strike isn't over by New Years, I'll be going to pick up as a side trip when going to ring in the New Year with friends in Prince George.)
(Finally found some for the 270 WSM to try, and have yet to try it in my 6.5 PRC; have a little shooting to do when we get a nice day when I have the free time to get to the range!)
It has been awhile since I last had a 7mm Rem Mag, but I enjoyed shooting and hunting with it. I took mtn goat, mule deer, moose and elk with it. I used Federal 165 gr SGK ammo in it, and it would produce groups of less than 1/2" and performed well on the game taken.
Looking forward to this rifle!
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The Canada Post strike is over and my LH Fierce Carbon Rogue in 7MM PRC is being shipped!
Hope to have it before my Christmas Break is over (next two weeks off!).
I found a Leupold VX5HD 3-15x44 for a great sale price (Saved over $500!) and brought it home for this rifle, so no need to take the one off my 6.5 PRC!
And with the LH Browning X Bolt All Weather being delivered on Boxing Day, I am hoping to get out to the range to try these two rifles out and get them sighted in. (The Talley's have already been Cerakoted in Titanium to closely match the rifle's stainless action and barrel.)
I'll also be testing the Federal Terminal Ascent ammo in my 6.5 PRC and 270 WSM rifles too, for accuracy.
Next Saturday's forecast is for partly sunny, -2 degrees C, and very little wind (if it holds true...but we all know how unreliable the forecasts are!)
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I remember Col. Charles Askins hunting a Polar Bear with the then new 7mm RM and the factory 175 clkt. He said something that just seemed to strike a note in me! He was gifted the rifle/hunt in order for him to do a story on it. He really preferred the 8mm over anything (absolutely hated the 30-06! ) but he said that 7mm is a fine caliber and could not figure why Remington had chosen the 175 " as everybody knows the 7mm balances better with the 160 grain than any other". End of quote. I started loading them in my first 7mm (160 NPT) later in life, in other 7mm mags, I've tried the 160s with boring results...accurate and deadly! ha I remember when Federal started loading the different 165's. They "almost" screwed the pooch in the 90s with that "Extended Range" ammo. It was just very thin jacketed , c&c. PHs in South Africa hated the 7mm RM solely "because of that ammo that American hunters used!" A great cartridge deserves a great bullet!
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Back in the late 80's I read an article (do not recall author) that stated that the 160/162/165 gr class of bullets was the optimum weight for the 7mm caliber. At the time I had just gotten a 280 Rem and was learning how to reload for it.
I do not recall the load developed for that Browning A Bolt with the Hdy 162 gr BTSP, and recall it being max with the data for the powder used in the Hdy manual (worked up in 1/2 grain increments), but it was very accurate (sub-MOA clover leafs at 100 yards) and recoil, and "thump" on the steel plates at the rifle range was more comparable to the 7mm Rem Mag 160 gr ammo than the standard factory 280 Rem ammo with 160 gr bullets. (Didn't have access to a chrony back then)
Since then, I have mostly used this class of bullets in various 7mm caliber rifles for years (280 Rem (160), 7mm Rem Mag (165), and 7MM STW (160)).
Recently, with 3, 7mm rifles (7mm-08, 280 Rem and 7MM STW) I was focusing on the 140 for the 7mm-08, 150 for the 280 and 160 for the STW. Now with the recent acquisition of the 7mm Rem Mag and 7MM PRC, and the newer Terminal Ascent ammo, I will be using the 155 gr for the Rem Mag and 170 gr for the PRC, if these both perform as hoped (MOA or better accuracy). I like having a specific bullet weight for the various cartridges I have in a given caliber.
I do love the 7mm!
As much as I also love the 6.5, 338, and 358 calibers and cartridges, if I were forced to use just one caliber, I would be hard pressed to not choose the 7mm. (the 338 being a close second)
It has very manageable recoil, shoots fairly flat to very flat (depending on cartridge), and performs very well on a wide variety of game and with a 175 gr bullet is still legal for bison, if retaining 2000 ft.lbs of energy at the animal. To date I have taken over 3 dozen animals ranging from antelope to elk, from 20 to 475 yards, with the 7mm caliber. I also shoot these rifles well (at least in my opinion!
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I do not recall the load developed for that Browning A Bolt with the Hdy 162 gr BTSP, and recall it being max with the data for the powder used in the Hdy manual (worked up in 1/2 grain increments), but it was very accurate (sub-MOA clover leafs at 100 yards) and recoil, and "thump" on the steel plates at the rifle range was more comparable to the 7mm Rem Mag 160 gr ammo than the standard factory 280 Rem ammo with 160 gr bullets. (Didn't have access to a chrony back then)
Since then, I have mostly used this class of bullets in various 7mm caliber rifles for years (280 Rem (160), 7mm Rem Mag (165), and 7MM STW (160)).
Recently, with 3, 7mm rifles (7mm-08, 280 Rem and 7MM STW) I was focusing on the 140 for the 7mm-08, 150 for the 280 and 160 for the STW. Now with the recent acquisition of the 7mm Rem Mag and 7MM PRC, and the newer Terminal Ascent ammo, I will be using the 155 gr for the Rem Mag and 170 gr for the PRC, if these both perform as hoped (MOA or better accuracy). I like having a specific bullet weight for the various cartridges I have in a given caliber.
I do love the 7mm!
As much as I also love the 6.5, 338, and 358 calibers and cartridges, if I were forced to use just one caliber, I would be hard pressed to not choose the 7mm. (the 338 being a close second)
It has very manageable recoil, shoots fairly flat to very flat (depending on cartridge), and performs very well on a wide variety of game and with a 175 gr bullet is still legal for bison, if retaining 2000 ft.lbs of energy at the animal. To date I have taken over 3 dozen animals ranging from antelope to elk, from 20 to 475 yards, with the 7mm caliber. I also shoot these rifles well (at least in my opinion!
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Sold it next day to a fellow Elk Hunter over in Oregon! We are both Happy! The day before, I checked on a Local AD for a tricked out (heavier synthetic, Parkerized Metal) Model 700 in 300 WBY. He needed money and when he told me it was still Sporter Weight, we made a deal! I had sold the Vanguard to another guy and added some $$$ with it. Rifle been shot less than 30 X. I took it to my Smith to have a Brake added (he uses a three port) and a Trigger Tech Special, Hex Head receiver screws. I plan on trying out those 154gr HHT (tipped Hammers) should be a screamer!
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Well...I found a nice Mod 700 Classic in 30-06 up in Montana. Very reasonable price is why I jumped on it. Reason is, it should still be a Sporter weight ( I have had many, nice balance between heavy/light, for me anyway.) I have only hunted with ONE Kimber, an 84M Classic, back around 20+ years ago. my only 7mm/08. I later had it rebarreld with a factory contoured Lilja in 8" twist .224 and chambered for the 22/6mm Remington (AKA the 224 TTH). I killed exactly one exotic Ram with the 7mm/08 139 SST and a big hog with the .224 TTH 75 Scirocco. I have owned/shot many Kimbers, the ones in 300 WSM I can hold pretty still, good balance. I weighed this Kimber Classic 84L .270 (which have never shot except on sandbags, never hunted with it. Never tried it in hunting positions) Just scoped rifle (FFII 3x9 )no ammo, it weighs 6 1/2 lbs! Arrgh. I'm not going to embarrass myself with it, sending it back to my granddaughter for her wishes. I plan on shooting that 300 wby and 30-06 ALOT! Next time, I will do better...Lord willing, lol Tough getting older, but I just find a different way to do it!
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"I have two rifles that came with Limbsavers that have turned to a disgusting goo. I won't ever consider one, even as a temporary fix."
I neglected to add that the two rifles with the goo recoil pads were both Winchester M70s .338 Win. mags, one a post 64, pre 68 push feed and the other a stainless classic new Haven gun.
Paul B.
I neglected to add that the two rifles with the goo recoil pads were both Winchester M70s .338 Win. mags, one a post 64, pre 68 push feed and the other a stainless classic new Haven gun.
Paul B.
"Back in the late 80's I read an article (do not recall author) that stated that the 160/162/165 gr class of bullets was the optimum weight for the 7mm caliber. At the time I had just gotten a 280 Rem and was learning how to reload for it."
A while back I found a barreled action using a 1909 Argentine Mauser by DWM that had been barreled to the .280 Rem. It came with a plank of walnut that turned out to be a very pretty piece of wood after I had my gunsmith do the carving. It turned out he couldn't do it due to an accident and turned it over to Sterling Davenport to do the stock and checkering. Sometimes I get lucky.
I started load work with the 160 gr. Speer grand Slam and IMR 7828SC. I got the velocity but not the speed. I have a very good supply of Winchester's long gone Winchester Magnum powder that works so well in the .270 so I worked up to the max load for the .280 and velocity was 2910 FPS with groups running less that .50" most of the time. In fact, the worst group was .80". I should note that the bullets were the old discontinued two core version of the Grand Slam. I have some of the new type as well but have not tried them in the rifle yet. It should be noted that when Remington brought the .280 out that they wanted the Maximum Average Pressure to be no higher than that for the 30-06 so that the round could be used in their pump and semi-auto rifles. Doesn't make sense since they chamber those rifles to the .270. I load the .280 just like it was a .270. Brass life is good and primer pockets stay nice and tight. The only problem with that rifle is it came out a lot heavier than I expected. It's quite comfortable off the bench.
I also have a good supply of the 160 gr. Speer Hot Cores which I'm planning to use in the 7x57 Mauser round. I have a very good load with the150 gr. Nosler Partition right now but would like to see how it will work with the 160 gr. Speer HC. Might make a very nice deer and elk load. I've been using 7-08 data in the 7x57 which works out very nice in a late model modern rifle. As a matter of fact, the 7x57 case has a larger powder capacity that the 7-07 so pressure is most likely less than what it would be in the 7-08 case. Works for me.
Paul B.
A while back I found a barreled action using a 1909 Argentine Mauser by DWM that had been barreled to the .280 Rem. It came with a plank of walnut that turned out to be a very pretty piece of wood after I had my gunsmith do the carving. It turned out he couldn't do it due to an accident and turned it over to Sterling Davenport to do the stock and checkering. Sometimes I get lucky.
I started load work with the 160 gr. Speer grand Slam and IMR 7828SC. I got the velocity but not the speed. I have a very good supply of Winchester's long gone Winchester Magnum powder that works so well in the .270 so I worked up to the max load for the .280 and velocity was 2910 FPS with groups running less that .50" most of the time. In fact, the worst group was .80". I should note that the bullets were the old discontinued two core version of the Grand Slam. I have some of the new type as well but have not tried them in the rifle yet. It should be noted that when Remington brought the .280 out that they wanted the Maximum Average Pressure to be no higher than that for the 30-06 so that the round could be used in their pump and semi-auto rifles. Doesn't make sense since they chamber those rifles to the .270. I load the .280 just like it was a .270. Brass life is good and primer pockets stay nice and tight. The only problem with that rifle is it came out a lot heavier than I expected. It's quite comfortable off the bench.
I also have a good supply of the 160 gr. Speer Hot Cores which I'm planning to use in the 7x57 Mauser round. I have a very good load with the150 gr. Nosler Partition right now but would like to see how it will work with the 160 gr. Speer HC. Might make a very nice deer and elk load. I've been using 7-08 data in the 7x57 which works out very nice in a late model modern rifle. As a matter of fact, the 7x57 case has a larger powder capacity that the 7-07 so pressure is most likely less than what it would be in the 7-08 case. Works for me.
Paul B.
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Cant keep up with all the horse trading in this thread...seems like you started out with a shtland pony and ended up with Man-O- War. Always liked the look of that Ruger Gun metal Gray finish. If Cerakote had been as popular 25 years ago, the old 250 would never have gotten a Bluing job. Bet it is/was sharp. CL
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I have both my 300wby and the '06 at two different Smith's. As mentioned, this Kimber 84L .270 is a very light rifle, fine for the deep mountains or timber. I did get to thinking "Hey, I need a heavier .270", you know, for the windy prairies and those "jump out of the truck and shoot off the fencepost" hunts, ha. Well, I found one. Its an older, made in the 80's Weatherby Vanguard VGX in .270 I got very, very reasonable! I brought it home, cleaned it up, mounted an untested Nikon ProStaff 3x9 on it. I set the trigger (didn't mess with the Sear!) on about 2 1/4#. I slammed the bolt into battery many times, bounced it hard on the floor, she held. It is surprisingly crisp and creep free, no overtravel, all I did was loosen the locknut and tweaked the adj screw. I put fingernail polish on it, let dry then assembled. It has plenty of throat, and my Kimber loads chamber easily! It is heavy! LOL I would not want to carry it too far or all day anywhere! But it should hold steady. If it shoots those Nosler 150 PTs and, even better, these 160 NPTs, I will put it in rotation for elk! I am just not into the 130's! I like the 110Vmax for coyotes, etc and the 110 TTSX for deer/antelope. For bigger or mule deer, give me the 150's! (Remember, I wrote that I have "never" taken a deer size or bigger animal with the 270! ha) Number 16!!!
(Remember, I wrote that I have "never" taken a deer size or bigger animal with the 270! ha) Number 16!!!
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Good you found a 270 to your liking. I like you find that I shoot a heavier rifle some better than light ones. I just have to remember to hold tighter. My 270 that I had Douglas re-barrel last year turned out a little heavier than planned but not a burden. Works great for stand hunting. Haven't jumped out of the truck to a fence post yetI have both my 300wby and the '06 at two different Smith's. As mentioned, this Kimber 84L .270 is a very light rifle, fine for the deep mountains or timber. I did get to thinking "Hey, I need a heavier .270", you know, for the windy prairies and those "jump out of the truck and shoot off the fencepost" hunts, ha. Well, I found one. Its an older, made in the 80's Weatherby Vanguard VGX in .270 I got very, very reasonable! I brought it home, cleaned it up, mounted an untested Nikon ProStaff 3x9 on it. I set the trigger (didn't mess with the Sear!) on about 2 1/4#. I slammed the bolt into battery many times, bounced it hard on the floor, she held. It is surprisingly crisp and creep free, no overtravel, all I did was loosen the locknut and tweaked the adj screw. I put fingernail polish on it, let dry then assembled. It has plenty of throat, and my Kimber loads chamber easily! It is heavy! LOL I would not want to carry it too far or all day anywhere! But it should hold steady. If it shoots those Nosler 150 PTs and, even better, these 160 NPTs, I will put it in rotation for elk! I am just not into the 130's! I like the 110Vmax for coyotes, etc and the 110 TTSX for deer/antelope. For bigger or mule deer, give me the 150's!
Used a Hornady 145ELDX on a doe this season. Next up is to try a 150gr something.Dan.
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I'd use them again if I ever get another barrel put on something. Dan.
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