Best all-around medium power cartridge

[Guy Miner]

Nosler makes a mighty fine rifle.

Really ought to let her get her hands on each model... Looks only tell so much about the rifle.

Guy

 

[Europe]

Jim, I recently looked at Montana and found both the company and the rifle to be of high quality, and they are competitively priced. I also like the Dakota rifle and company but they are a bit more money. One of my favorite rifle manufacturing companies is Blaser but I dont believe they make the calibers you are looking for, but they make a nice rifle.

Cheyenne, I see you have not lost your sense of humor, but it also looks like you have met your match in Dr Mike and Vince

 

[joelkdouglas]

I'm late to this party, I was away all week.

Since elk and moose are on the list I'd say anything between a 25 cal something and a 30 cal something. My personal choice would be the 30-06. My second choice would be a 270 Win probably, but I've never owned or even shot one. I think my 3rd choice would be a 308 Win, 4th a 280AI. Really they all work equally well.

The real question is which bullet. My answer is a 180 grain Partition.

 

[Palouser]

7x57 all the way!

 

[Palouser]

Does Winchester make a Supergrade Model 70 in 7x57?

 

[6mm Remington]

Todd yes they do and in fact there is a SUPERGRADE 7X57 in Missoula at the Cabela's. The only real question here is should I go put some money on it to hold it for you or for Jim. :grin: :lol: So pipe up guys, which one of you wants me to go hold it for you???

I am trying my best to be of assistance in any way that I can. :lol:

 

[Palouser]

Oh crap David...reading JD338s post may have gotten really expensive for me. Is it a Cabelas edition? Or just a regular Winchester? How did I miss that? Was just there this am, back in Washington now. I know they will ship to the post falls store.

 

[6mm Remington]

Oh crap David...reading JD338s post may have gotten really expensive for me. Is it a Cabelas edition? Or just a regular Winchester? How did I miss that? Was just there this am, back in Washington now. I know they will ship to the post falls store.

I'm not positive but I think it is a Cabela's Super Grade Todd. I'll pop in tomorrow and maybe take a picture or two for you guys. Like I said, it's all about you guys, not about me! :mrgreen:

 

[Palouser]

Actually I think I remember this David. I think they had a super grade in 7 x 57 this fall when we were over there but if I remember right the checkering on it is awful it looks like there was a flaw in the machine or they gave it to a second-grader to checker it. Otherwise I would have bought it. I think that's the case if you stop by take a look at the checkering. I even asked if they would take some off of it because the checkering was so bad and they said they wouldn't move a penny on it.

 

[6mm Remington]

Todd I just came from Cabela's and the 7x57 is gone so you all can stand down! Saved you folks some money I think!

 

[Palouser]

Thanks for the heads up and you probably did save me about $1100.

 

[Elkman]

Here is a picture of "my" medium, isn't it beautiful, I custom painted the stock my self!! A 1966 push feed 300 WM. Oh and that's the largest cow elk I ever shot, in Stump Creek, Idaho in 2010.

 

[IdahoCTD]

Is that Stump Cr. in unit 76 Bill? If so that is where I shot my Bull Moose. I saw some nice nice bull elk in there while moose hunting.

 

[Elkman]

Yup, same place, I was about 300 yards west of the state line above Freedom, Wyoming. I could see the pistol plant, from the top of the hill I shot from. She was an old girl, missing several teeth.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I hunted deer up there once. All I saw were elk and moose.

 

[IdahoCTD]

My uncle use to live in Afton and was a hunting guide in WY. I wasn't too far from his place while hunting for moose. He is the one that actually told me to apply over there as he had seen several big bulls there in the winter. That was in '93. I shot my cow in 78 4 or 5 years ago.

 

[JD338]

And now we can add a M70 Featherweight 280 Remington into
the mix. Even though it has a 22" barrel, the 280 Rem would have pleanty of speed
to cover all the requirements.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

And now we can add a M70 Featherweight 280 Remington into
the mix. Even though it has a 22" barrel, the 280 Rem would have pleanty of speed
to cover all the requirements.

JD338

Plus it would have the advantage of being fairly portable for Sue..

Cartridge : .280 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 150, Nosler AccuBond LR 58734
Useable Case Capaci: 59.185 grain H2O = 3.843 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 87 48.00 2333 1813 30759 10122 86.5 1.468
-18.0 89 49.20 2397 1913 32960 10491 88.0 1.429
-16.0 91 50.40 2461 2017 35329 10851 89.5 1.390
-14.0 94 51.60 2526 2125 37883 11200 90.9 1.348
-12.0 96 52.80 2591 2236 40635 11537 92.2 1.304
-10.0 98 54.00 2657 2351 43606 11858 93.5 1.261
-08.0 100 55.20 2722 2469 46814 12163 94.6 1.219
-06.0 102 56.40 2788 2590 50289 12449 95.6 1.179
-04.0 104 57.60 2855 2714 54051 12716 96.6 1.140
-02.0 107 58.80 2921 2842 58132 12960 97.4 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 109 60.00 2988 2973 62564 13182 98.1 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 61.20 3054 3107 67390 13377 98.7 1.031 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 62.40 3121 3244 72648 13545 99.2 0.998 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 63.60 3187 3384 78350 13685 99.6 0.965 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 64.80 3254 3526 84563 13794 99.9 0.933 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 120 66.00 3320 3672 91354 13871 100.0 0.903 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 109 60.00 3143 3291 76772 12895 100.0 0.980 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 109 60.00 2776 2568 49905 12671 91.3 1.178


Cartridge : .280 Rem.
Bullet : .284, 140, Nosler AccuBond 59992
Useable Case Capaci: 60.112 grain H2O = 3.903 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.330 inch = 84.58 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-22

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 88 49.20 2389 1774 30303 10109 84.7 1.432
-18.0 90 50.43 2455 1874 32484 10491 86.3 1.393
-16.0 92 51.66 2522 1977 34836 10866 87.9 1.356
-14.0 94 52.89 2590 2085 37372 11230 89.4 1.316
-12.0 97 54.12 2658 2196 40110 11583 90.8 1.272
-10.0 99 55.35 2726 2310 43068 11921 92.2 1.230
-08.0 101 56.58 2795 2429 46266 12244 93.4 1.188
-06.0 103 57.81 2864 2550 49733 12549 94.6 1.149
-04.0 105 59.04 2934 2676 53492 12834 95.6 1.111
-02.0 108 60.27 3004 2805 57575 13097 96.6 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 61.50 3074 2937 62020 13337 97.4 1.038 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 112 62.73 3144 3073 66864 13551 98.2 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 63.96 3214 3212 72151 13738 98.8 0.970 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 65.19 3285 3354 77950 13896 99.3 0.937 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 66.42 3355 3499 84272 14022 99.6 0.906 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 67.65 3425 3648 91191 14116 99.9 0.876 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 61.50 3242 3268 76273 13164 100.0 0.953 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 61.50 2849 2524 49534 12703 89.9 1.147

 

[Bruce Mc]

No doubt, a model 70 Featherweight in .280 Rem would be a capable all around rifle of "medium power" with a 140 AccuBond or Partition. It would really be special if both bullets found the same spot on the target. And it doesn't matter if the gun is toted by a man or woman or youngster.
How would you like to of sat in on a conversation between Jack O'Connor and Jim Carmichael discussing the merits of the .280 and .270.

 

[DrMike]

No one is ill served if they are shooting a 270; and no one is ill served with a 280. I know the 280 has performed well for me for many years in a Model 70--the first a push feed action and the second a Classic action. I won't be without a 280. It isn't such a fire breather than my wife or daughter can't shoot the cartridge, and yet it is big enough that they can take anything in this area.