Brown Bear bullets for the 35 Whelen?

[DrMike]

Yeah, some of us old guys have the heart of a lion, and the legs...

 

[IdahoCTD]

Of a LLama?
lizard?
Legos?
lasagna?
linguini?

Lol I know I'm not helping but I got a kick out of it.

 

[DrMike]

Definitely not a lizard (though they can be skinny as a lizard, they simply don't have the speed). Linguini comes closest, especially when climbing a mountain. I'll guarantee that I don't run from bears (too tiring), so I just have to kill 'em.

 

[truck driver]

Thanks Cheyenne we pulled you out the best we could. :grin: Marines are trained to go for the juggler but we kept him at bay for you. :roll: :lol:

 

[Vince]

If Cheyenne would just turn that dirty old 30-06 she has into a 35 Whelen she could give all of that other stuff away... Dang lady has so many rifles her poor uncle probably has tired arms loading all that darned ammunition for her... :lol:

Hmmm why get rid of a perfectly good 30-06 when she can have a new rifle? :mrgreen:

Just trying to clean those rascals up as much as I can...[emoji38]

They are like the coyote of the wildlife world, let em hang around too long and they'll overpopulate and just cause a ruckus. Never seen that sorta behavior out of a good 35 Whelen...

Now, Scotty, there's no need of making those benighted souls who stagger through life encumbered with an '06 feel badly about not owning a Whelen. Ain't no call to make people feel bad by asking them if they have a Whelen. If they have one, they'll tell you soon enough. :mrgreen:

Kind of like Texans.
You don't have to ask if someone is from Texas as they will darn sure tell you.

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[Thankful Otter]

I think you should be accepted with open arms! Nothing cooler than a chick with
Lever action! Unless she arrives at Mikes party flying a Super Cub, I can bring the Maine Looobstahs..............!
No Northfolks for this Cowboy
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35Whelen,

thank you sir

We got a little off track and I take the blame for that so let me apologize for doing so and let me go back to the heart and soul of your thread

I have successfully used the 30-06 for white, brown and black bear when I first started hunting and I have had the same success with the same animals with the 348. ( with woodleigh and north fork bullets). Therefore I can see no reason the 35 Whelen would not be all the gun that one would need when hunting bears, of any color. I also believe the Swift, Kodiak, and Nosler products would be excellent bullets for a bear hunt with the 35 Whelen. I do not own one however nor have I ever hunted with one.

 

[Vince]

I'm just here for the pecan pie. [emoji2]

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[DrMike]

I'm just here for the pecan pie. [emoji2]

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Oh, man, you can for sure come along! Pecan pie has to be a favourite from way back! Let's see, caribou tenderloin, Maine lobster, pecan pie--man, we're getting there! Okay, Cheyenne, let's get this thread back on track. Bring a pelt or two to sit on. :mrgreen:

 

[SJB358]

I'm just here for the pecan pie. [emoji2]

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Oh, man, you can for sure come along! Pecan pie has to be a favourite from way back! Let's see, caribou tenderloin, Maine lobster, pecan pie--man, we're getting there! Okay, Cheyenne, let's get this thread back on track. Bring a pelt or two to sit on. :mrgreen:

That sounds like a good supper. You've twisted my arm... I'm in :grin:

 

[DrMike]

Scotty, are you bringing elk T-bone? I'm telling you, this will be quite the party!

 

[filmjunkie4ever]

This is a very good thread fellas. Very informative with actual experience etc.

I have always wanted a Winchester 1895 in .35 Whelen personally. Though my second .25-06 on a Charles Daly Mauser action may end up getting a new tube thusly chambered.

I see 250 grain Corelokt ammo on the shelves here in Idaho Falls and have often wondered about perusing the thicket North Eastern Oregon forests for elk armed with a .35 Whelen.

Ken Howell, in several books I own, is referenced as saying he used to load a 275 grain Speer or Hornady bullet up in his .35 Whelen for bear and the like in Alaska back in the 40's and 50's.

Sounds like a winner to me,

Dale

 

[35 Whelen]

Yukon H,
Your most certainly welcome! Hope all your hunts with the old 348 are great ones, we had a couple of guides that used them for years and they swore by them, even had one guide hunting With the cartridge the 348 replaced, the now forgotten 33Win, he loaded up some stuff that was very close to factory 348 vels and never looked back. Wonderful stuff, considering these guides used them as "back up guns" for years, on brown bears. This party is sounding better all the time! :lol:

 

[truck driver]

Yeah this is an old thread but a dang good one which I just read threw from end to end AGAIN.
Just can't get enough of it.
After rereading I realized I had blamed Scotty for unquenching thirst for the 35 Whelen but in reality it is Earls fault. Preacher helped some with the 35Whellen/AI.
Every time I read this I want to grab the 35Whelen/AI and go shoot it. It's like it has a spell on me or an uncontrollable lust for it especially since I killed a deer with it.
I want to try a lot of the bullets mentioned here it, especially the 225gr offerings which I think is about perfect for the lower 48. I just might get some 225gr Barnes and see if I can get them to shoot better than the 225gr PT which I doubt but would like to try any way. This cartridge is a blast to experiment with and can't seem to get enough. If I had a range in my back yard I would probably shoot it every day till I wore the barrel out. :grin:
Thanks Earl for giving the gift of knowledge about the 35 Whelen and everyone else who has supported me along my journey to enlightenment :mrgreen:

 

[Blkram]

My first time seeing this thread; great topic and discussions!

Also had to laugh at the off topic humour that it led to!
Too funny Cheyenne! Glad to see someone else keeping the good Dr on his toes...and linguini legs! LMAO!

Gerry, did you ever determine why your Sako jammed? And do you still have it?

 

[DrMike]

My first time seeing this thread; great topic and discussions!

Also had to laugh at the off topic humour that it led to!
Too funny Cheyenne! Glad to see someone else keeping the good Dr on his toes...and linguini legs! LMAO!

Gerry, did you ever determine why your Sako jammed? And do you still have it?

Ain't nobody has to keep me on my toes! :twisted: They hurt enough without using them to stand on. :mrgreen: Besides, you're required to bring sheep tenderloin and elk lasagna.

 

[BF375]

I've recommended the 35 W twice to friends who were going brown bear hunting; the first time I worked up loads with the 225 gr Bitterroot at 2600 fps. No problem on a nice brownie.

The second my buddy asked for suggestions on bullets for his Whelan so I suggested the 225 Northfork which worked great.

If I were putting together a 35 Whelen I would ditch the old 16 twist business and get a 12 twist . That's what I used when I necked down the 8 RemMag to 35 and had Butch Searcy install a 12 twist Krieger on a M70 action. I would want a premium bullet and would not hesitate to give as much twist as I could.

I abandoned the 35's altogether once I saw the 375 at work on brown bears with Nosler Partitions and Bitterroots.

 

[SJB358]

I've recommended the 35 W twice to friends who were going brown bear hunting; the first time I worked up loads with the 225 gr Bitterroot at 2600 fps. No problem on a nice brownie.

The second my buddy asked for suggestions on bullets for his Whelan so I suggested the 225 Northfork which worked great.

If I were putting together a 35 Whelen I would ditch the old 16 twist business and get a 12 twist . That's what I used when I necked down the 8 RemMag to 35 and had Butch Searcy install a 12 twist Krieger on a M70 action. I would want a premium bullet and would not hesitate to give as much twist as I could.

I abandoned the 35's altogether once I saw the 375 at work on brown bears with Nosler Partitions and Bitterroots.

My 35 Newton is a 12 twist and the Whelen is a 16. If I ever rebarrel the Newton it'll get a 10 twist just for grins.

BF, I'd love to find some 225 or 250 BBCs for my Newton. It's pretty similar to the wildcat you mentioned. I bet it would leave a heckuva channel.

It does decent with the 270 NF's around 2700

 

[gerry]

Gil, I did get my L 691 figured out and corrected it, sent you a pm back explaining it.

This is a fun thread and it is nice to see it come to life again. I have tried the 375 Ruger and 358 Norma but both are gone now and only have a newer LH Rem 700 35 Whelen as my big gun and am more than pleased. I could never see the difference on game between the 3 rounds mentioned but there is a big difference in recoil. I found the 35 Whelen to shoot flatter than my departed 375 Ruger shooting 260 gr Accubonds as well, it should have been similar but wasn't for some reason.

I can't see myself owning anything heavier than the 35 Whelen anymore, I could possibly see a 338 WM shooting 180-210 gr bullets for a longer range gun but would likely choose something smaller for that purpose.

 

[35 Whelen]

Ditto on Gerrys comments, in actual fact most fellas go "over the top" when the topic turns to big bears, and while all the older 1950' vintage guides lugged alot of .375s witch is still an unbeatable caliber, by the 70's ALOT of now famous guides, had begun to strap .338s onto the wingstrut of their Super Cubs and by the mid 80s that was the standard Beargun guides were using to back up Sports in Alaska........ I started out with a .375 and it worked super, however I later switched to a .338 and found it worked just fine & dandy for next 20 years, using mostly factory 250gr NPT bullets. They flew about 2700fps out of my gun.
Fast forward to present day and Both my .338 Supergrade, and Sako .375 are gone sadly. But like Gerry the 35 Whelen has become my "big gun" today.
Shooting RL 15 powder we have no problem getting 250gr bullets out the spout at 2600fps , so about 100fps less than my old .338WM, so for me that is the same thing in a rifle that weighes TWO lbs less than my old SuperGrade, bears cant tell the difference when hit , but I sure can lugging the guns around!
I am going to say this about that:
Anyone that thinks a 35 Whelen, loaded with a preamium bullets, that are in the 225/250 (Kodiaks, Bear Claws, PTs, ABs,) bullet weight, traveling in the 26/2700 fps range with these new powders we have today, Is not totally adequate for big bears, brown or white, is either scared of bears,(a problem not rectified by a magnum cartridge)
Is just a "magnum guy"..... or most likely both!
TD,
Your more than welcome olde boy

 

[DrMike]

I certainly don't feel undergunned with a 35 Whelen when facing a grizzly. I'm even comfortable toting my 356 or a 358 in that instance. I know any of these is more than adequate for mountain grizzlies. A 30-06 works very well when the shooter puts the pill where it belongs. I do want a bullet that maintains its integrity at terminal ballistics, and I prefer mass at impact velocity.