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John,hunternyny":1e30ss35 said:
Thank you so very much. I hope all is getting back on track your way and very glad to see you out and about sir!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you so very much. I hope all is getting back on track your way and very glad to see you out and about sir!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Kelly and I agree with your thinking. I will take some new, detailled pictures of the two custom rifles, especially checkering and post them for you soon. I chose 24 lines to the inch because I wanted to keep grip characteristics of the checkering and still have a custom appearance. I will post better pictures.
I do not know what the Bieson's are getting for a full stock job now but it probably is whatever the market will bear. La Bantchni was never as famous as Al Beisen and I paid less for the stock build as a result but $750 was a still lot of money in 1973. However, I think that Jules did a terrific job for me, in about 10 months.
You pick what you like, you are the one that the rifle is for and do what makes you happy. I wanted a rifle that looked like a David Miller Classic and that is what La Bantchni gave me. I have killed more than 75 deer with this rifle over its lifetime and will pass it on to my oldest son. You are about the age that I was when I built this rifle and except for illness, I would still be hunting every chance that I get with this rifle, despite being nearly 70 years old.
My Model 70 custom rifle and Swarovski scope weighs about 9 pounds loaded but weight has never bothered me because of the steady state zero and accuracy of the rifle under all conditions from Arizona/Nevada desert heat to Wyoming-Big Horn Mountain cold. It has never let me down and despite the use is still a true sub MOA rifle.
I do not know what the Bieson's are getting for a full stock job now but it probably is whatever the market will bear. La Bantchni was never as famous as Al Beisen and I paid less for the stock build as a result but $750 was a still lot of money in 1973. However, I think that Jules did a terrific job for me, in about 10 months.
You pick what you like, you are the one that the rifle is for and do what makes you happy. I wanted a rifle that looked like a David Miller Classic and that is what La Bantchni gave me. I have killed more than 75 deer with this rifle over its lifetime and will pass it on to my oldest son. You are about the age that I was when I built this rifle and except for illness, I would still be hunting every chance that I get with this rifle, despite being nearly 70 years old.
My Model 70 custom rifle and Swarovski scope weighs about 9 pounds loaded but weight has never bothered me because of the steady state zero and accuracy of the rifle under all conditions from Arizona/Nevada desert heat to Wyoming-Big Horn Mountain cold. It has never let me down and despite the use is still a true sub MOA rifle.
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Kelly, pictures of both the custom Model 70 .270 Win and the custom Mauser Mark X in 7mm Rem Mag. Both rifles were made in about 1973-74 The Mauser has a 5-15x42 Zeiss Diavari V scope. The Model 70 has the Swarovski 4-12x50mm scope. I do not know who built the Mauser. I bought it at the Great Western Gun Show in Orange Co., California in 1973. It was already just as you see it. The only thing that the dealer knew was that it was English walnut.
The Mark X and the Model 70 have both had action work and the Mauser has a Jewell trigger and a Gentry Safety Sleeve conversion kit (Model 70 type). Both stocks have quite a few beauty marks and really need to be refinished. The Model 70 metal is starting to show some wear as well.
The Mark X and the Model 70 have both had action work and the Mauser has a Jewell trigger and a Gentry Safety Sleeve conversion kit (Model 70 type). Both stocks have quite a few beauty marks and really need to be refinished. The Model 70 metal is starting to show some wear as well.
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Charlie,
WOW! That is one fine pair of rifles. Both are very well put together and I have to imagine a joy to have in you safe. Sounds like the are both shooters as well! I can see why you left so much of the Super Grade as is, as it looks to be on excellent condition. Thank you so very much for posting some pictures. I would have a hard time trying to choose which one I liked better. Both stocks are extremely nice.
WOW! That is one fine pair of rifles. Both are very well put together and I have to imagine a joy to have in you safe. Sounds like the are both shooters as well! I can see why you left so much of the Super Grade as is, as it looks to be on excellent condition. Thank you so very much for posting some pictures. I would have a hard time trying to choose which one I liked better. Both stocks are extremely nice.
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Beautiful rifles, Charlie. Either would be a joy for a shooter to handle.
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Thanks guys, the Model 70 Super Grade has only been owned by me and the older man that I bought it from. He had bought it new in 1949 but he ruined the original stock, drilled and tapped and mounted a side mount scope. It therefore became a project rifle for me.
I have been curious all of these years about who made the Mauser stock? I had to partially glass bed the tang and magazine box areas as someone had done some less than professional, home gunsmithing on those areas. The outside of the stock however, the checkering and the barrel inletting are dead nuts! I think somebody just tried to improve on perfection and messed it up? The rifle was made by somebody who knew what they were doing and has straight 30LPI checkering with no runovers!
Anyhow, I bought the Mauser in 1973 for $600, as you see it. I bedded the damaged areas and have used it ever since.
I have been curious all of these years about who made the Mauser stock? I had to partially glass bed the tang and magazine box areas as someone had done some less than professional, home gunsmithing on those areas. The outside of the stock however, the checkering and the barrel inletting are dead nuts! I think somebody just tried to improve on perfection and messed it up? The rifle was made by somebody who knew what they were doing and has straight 30LPI checkering with no runovers!
Anyhow, I bought the Mauser in 1973 for $600, as you see it. I bedded the damaged areas and have used it ever since.
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Nice Timber on them!
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Thanks, Fotis.
Dubyam, if you happen to read this post. These two rifles have a 42mm Zeiss and a 50 mm Swarovski scopes mounted on them, both using TPS rings. You may wish to note the scope bell clearance on the 50mm scope versus the 42 mm scope. The scope bell clearance is about the same. These are TPS medium and low rings respectively on these rifles.
Dubyam, if you happen to read this post. These two rifles have a 42mm Zeiss and a 50 mm Swarovski scopes mounted on them, both using TPS rings. You may wish to note the scope bell clearance on the 50mm scope versus the 42 mm scope. The scope bell clearance is about the same. These are TPS medium and low rings respectively on these rifles.
I have said it before, but it is worth saying again, those are a dynamic pair of rifles Charlie. That 270 is my pick though. It is everything I would want in a custom rifle stock..
All this wood talk has me thinking I might need to start looking at wood for the 35 Newton!
All this wood talk has me thinking I might need to start looking at wood for the 35 Newton!
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Thanks Scotty, the Model 70 is my favorite for several reasons. It is a Winchester, Pre-1950 model Super Grade which despite being a project rifle, still has class. I knew the guy who originally bought the rifle in 1949 and he was a friend. His son did not hunt and he wanted someone to fix it up and use it. Also, I had lived in outside Paris, France for a year in 1970 and had bought a Bastogne, AAA, cured blank, so when the opportunity arose, I was ready with a stock blank for the rifle. Finally, the .270 Winchester has always been my favorite caliber for western deer hunting. La Bantchni (stockmaker) was local in LA and did the exact stock design type and quality that I wanted.
I bought the 7mm Mag Mauser at a gun show while the other stock was being made for the .270 Model 70. This Interarms, Mark X, Browning High Power clone is not a Browning but has served me well for 35+ years of hunting. I do not care as much for the Fleur-de-Lis checkering or 30 LPI but it has held up well and the rifle shoots very well and is very, very accurate. The English walnut stock is a plus and is first class wood.
I really like the looks of both stocks for grain, figure, shape and design. The English walnut of the 7mm Mag is really nice and has held up extremely well all of these years. Both woods make good, solid and beautiful stocks with nice figure. Both are getting very expensive now! Limited supply, more demand.
I bought the 7mm Mag Mauser at a gun show while the other stock was being made for the .270 Model 70. This Interarms, Mark X, Browning High Power clone is not a Browning but has served me well for 35+ years of hunting. I do not care as much for the Fleur-de-Lis checkering or 30 LPI but it has held up well and the rifle shoots very well and is very, very accurate. The English walnut stock is a plus and is first class wood.
I really like the looks of both stocks for grain, figure, shape and design. The English walnut of the 7mm Mag is really nice and has held up extremely well all of these years. Both woods make good, solid and beautiful stocks with nice figure. Both are getting very expensive now! Limited supply, more demand.
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Man Charlie those are gorgous! I'm sure they would bring a nice penny too! I really like the stock on that Mauser with those dark tones in it. I was really considering going with an Exhibition grade black walnut on the Pre-64 build I have but I declined and went with a McMillian. Now I"m kinda wishing I had gone with wood again. It will work out though as I intend to really use that rifle and if I had something like that I would likely leave it in the safe.
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Being older, I do not hunt as much anymore but I do shoot quite a bit and like having at least a couple of classy guns to look at. I had a brace of higher grade wood and engraving on several Beretta O/U (EL/EELL) shotguns too but they went bye-bye, all except one 20 gauge, when I retired because I don't shoot skeet any more and don't even hunt bird shoot-game farms much around here.
This dog and pony show was mostly for Kelly's decision matrix, he asked for pictures because he is trying to decide on custom rifle features for his Biesen custom rifle, which should be a beauty. I look forward to hearing and seeing what Kelly comes up with for wood and features.
This dog and pony show was mostly for Kelly's decision matrix, he asked for pictures because he is trying to decide on custom rifle features for his Biesen custom rifle, which should be a beauty. I look forward to hearing and seeing what Kelly comes up with for wood and features.
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The Mauser custom with English wood was built by Mark Moon, Grand Junction, CO. I bought the rifle in about 1973 at the LA County Fairgrounds Gun Show. I happened to find this maker' name while looking at some pictures of rifles in an auction. Since then I have seem several more of his rifle's. Moon must have been young when he built the rifle. The checkering and inletting was not perfect. I recut some of it and glass bedded the floorplate as it did not fit correctly.
