Cartridges you can live without?

[.300winmag]

17 calibers
20 calibers
Weatherby cartridges
10 Gauge
.50 BMG
The nitro-express's
.500 S&W and any other handgun that requires a muzzle brake
.416 Barrett
.408 Chey-tac
9.3x74
7x57 Mauser
8mm
.325 WSM
and all the WSSM's

 

[dlove]

the .40 s&w

the .35 whelen does everything I need a rifle to do.

 

[jason miller]

I'd be happy if the world were without any handguns or their cartridges.

For rifles, the only ones I have any use for/intention of ever using are:

rimfire and/or .224 centerfire of your choice
30/30, 35 Rem, 45/70, etc in an open sighted, short lever action
.243 win, 250 savage, or 257 roberts
6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 6.5x55, or 7x57
7mm Rem, 30-06, or .338 Win

I can't think of any role that could be filled better by any other cartridge, and I don't understand shooting anything that might require a bigger bullet. Walking up to an animal that isn't afraid of you and shooting it at point blank range, when you aren't doing it for the meat, isn't hunting. It's trophy shooting. And I have about as much use for that as I do for a concealable weapon to be utilized against people.

 

[Guy Miner]

Wow Jason - quite a stand against handguns! However I respect your opinion. It just surprises me, probably because I was raised around handguns. Dad had them. Grandpa had them. And I've made a living most of my adult life, carrying one. Still, I do respect your opinion.

Re the hunting - I'd say most of us here with computers, cars, cell phones, etc... Aren't really hunting for food. We may eat what we kill or catch, but we're really doing it because we enjoy it. For example, the salmon I brought home from my recent trip to Alaska was an awful lot of fun to catch, but it would have been a lot less expensive and a lot less trouble to just buy fish at the local market. Still, other than predators and varmints, I mostly eat what I kill, from ducks to deer & elk.

Regarding my preferences on cartridges, rifle & handgun, the logistics fellow in me thinks there are waaaaay too many different cartridges that all do about the same thing. But I also enjoy seeing a wide range of cartridges. It's often fascinating to find someone who makes great use of some cartridge I've never tried.

I've often thought that I could easily live with:

.22 long rifle
.308/.30-06 or similar

12 gauge shotgun

.22 handgun
.45 handgun

Yup, that would pretty well do it, but it's been an awful lot of fun learning the other cartridges as well. Figured it was much shorter to list the few I most value, rather than try to gore everybody's ox by running down a huge list of cartridges, like that .270 Win thing... :grin:

Regards, Guy

 

[jason miller]

Wow Jason - quite a stand against handguns! However I respect your opinion. It just surprises me, probably because I was raised around handguns. Dad had them. Grandpa had them. And I've made a living most of my adult life, carrying one. Still, I do respect your opinion.

Re the hunting - I'd say most of us here with computers, cars, cell phones, etc... Aren't really hunting for food. We may eat what we kill or catch, but we're really doing it because we enjoy it. For example, the salmon I brought home from my recent trip to Alaska was an awful lot of fun to catch, but it would have been a lot less expensive and a lot less trouble to just buy fish at the local market. Still, other than predators and varmints, I mostly eat what I kill, from ducks to deer & elk.

If I were a police officer or a drug dealer(not that they are the same, and absolutely not a knock against policemen), I could see owning a handgun. But since I don't plan on murdering anyone, have no desire to enter a dangerous situation along with the ability to generally avoid them, and don't believe worldly possessions are worth killing a person to defend, I'll pass.

As far as game, I understand that it's easier to go to the supermarket and grab some 'burger than it is to harvest and process a deer/moose/elk. I also understand the allure in going out in the field to wage a battle of wits and harvest your own food. I meant more along the lines of dangerous game "hunting". I saw a hunting show where some woman walked up to an elephant and shot it in the face a couple of times. Good job, great skills you have there... The same can be said for another show where another hunter(and another woman) walked up to a grizzly bear, while it watched her the entire time, and put an arrow into it while it sun-bathed on a snow bank. Congratulations... Why don't you just go down to the zoo, "sneak up" on a giraffe, slit its throat, and then make a nice rug out of it and throw the meat out? I can understand how people become anti-hunting if the depiction in these tv shows is what they think hunters do all the time.

 

[DrMike]

Jason,

However strongly you may feel about an issue, you would be well advised to curtail your language as we endeavour to maintain a family-friendly forum. Perhaps you wish to edit your last post?

 

[RiverRider]

If I were a police officer or a drug dealer, I could see owning a handgun. But since I don't plan on murdering anyone, have no desire to enter a dangerous situation along with the ability to generally avoid them, and don't believe worldly possessions are worth killing a person to defend, I'll pass.

Sounds like you are young and are responsible for no one else (although I recognize I could be wrong). So, I'll pose a scenario for you: if you had a a wife and a daughter, you would not take the life of someone who invaded your home and posed a deadly threat to them? Would you watch them being raped, tortured, and murdered and not wish you had the means to defend them?

I suspect this is a subject you really have not thoroughly pondered.

 

[CMBTshooter]

The .45 ACP could go away and I wouldn't miss a thing. For rifle I think the .270 Win, WSMs (Except the .325), WSSMs, 6.8 SPC (A solution looking for a problem), .408 Cheytac, .416 Barret, and anything else that's trying to improve on the .50 BMG so the case can be used as a precision rifle cartridge. It's all just too much and I don't know anyone that would carry that crap around a battlefield.

 

[jason miller]

I would have a rifle in my home. A handgun would provide no benefit in that situation, unless you wear it on your person while you're watching tv, in the shower, or whatever you're doing when said invader enters your home and starts raping your family in front of you. Also, exactly how many people have an intruder just walk into their house while they are home and rape their wife/daughter? .000000001%?

 

[jason miller]

Jason,

However strongly you may feel about an issue, you would be well advised to curtail your language as we endeavour to maintain a family-friendly forum. Perhaps you wish to edit your last post?

Deal. Done. Sorry.

 

[Guy Miner]

Hey Jason - perhaps we should take this down to "off-topic" instead of here?

Could be an interesting discussion, if we are all reasonable and take it easy...

Regards, Guy

 

[jason miller]

I'll drop it. I know from previous experience that there is no swaying anyone's opinion regarding politics, religion, or handguns.

The only thing I have to say is to ask that someone consider just how often anyone they have ever known has truly needed a handgun, if there weren't some way they could have avoided such situation with a little forward thinking, and if the situation still absolutely couldn't have been resolved without the handgun- and to be honest when considering those questions.

 

[FOTIS]

You never need a handgun until you really need one. I hope you never do need one.

Trust me I grew up in the Bronx NY.

 

[jason miller]

You never need a handgun until you really need one. I hope you never do need one.

Trust me I grew up in the Bronx NY.

I'll continue avoiding New York, then. I know from lots of evenings in Chicago that you can easily avoid questionable neighborhoods, not be out too late, stay in areas that are well-lit with people around, and cross the street to avoid any suspect looking people.

 

[Rem Jim]

I have and still own a lot of guns and have yet to have a 30-06 - i have yet to have a hankering for one and prob never will ! :shock: I know a few will think i am crazy ! :roll: :grin: RJ

 

[6mm Remington]

243 Winchester - Why have that when you can have a 6mm Remington? :lol: Might as well drop the .223, 22-250, and the other 22's for the same reason.

260 Remington - Can you say 257 Roberts, 25-06, or 6.5x55.

7mm-08 Remington
270 Winchester -
7mm Remington - No need with the .280 AI, 280 Remington, 7mm WSM or a 7x57!
7mm Weatherby

308 Winchester
300 WM - No need for any of them with the 30-06 & the 300 WSM.
30-30
300 Weatherby

444 Marlin
450 Marlin
458 Winchester - :lol: 45-70 I'm just saying.

 

[FOTIS]

Jason:

I was also a cop for over 20 years before I retired. Granted in the military, however the basics are the same everywhere. What you refer to is great as far as playing it smart and defensive. Just that sometimes it is not enough.

Either way everyone is entitled to their beliefs. As for me? I am just glad I have that choice. :wink:

 

[RiverRider]

I would have a rifle in my home. A handgun would provide no benefit in that situation, unless you wear it on your person while you're watching tv, in the shower, or whatever you're doing when said invader enters your home and starts raping your family in front of you. Also, exactly how many people have an intruder just walk into their house while they are home and rape their wife/daughter? .000000001%?

I've been carrying a handgun daily for years, and I have yet to murder anyone. It's nice knowing that should anything happen where an innocent and defenseless individual is threatened in my presence, I will be able to do something other than watch a tragedy unfold.

I would PREFER a rifle during an emergency---like an AR-15 with a 30-round magazine, but it's just not practical to carry one around.

Emotional objections to handguns are understandable. My own mom killed herself with one, and if I was predisposed to be irrational I could oppose the possession and use of handguns too.

 

[jason miller]

Emotional objections to handguns are understandable. My own mom killed herself with one, and if I was predisposed to be irrational I could oppose the possession and use of handguns too.

It's not emotional, it's logical. The only advantage a handgun has over a rifle is ease of concealment/carry. And since I, personally, am less likely to need a handgun than a lightning rod attached to a ground wire dragging behind me, I will continue having no use for either.


Edit to add: I'm not being emotional about this. I stated my opinion, which is based on the irrefutable fact that rifles are superior to handguns for any use I am, personally, ninety-nine-point-nine-repeating percent likely to encounter in my life. The ballistics of a handgun and their cartridges have absolutely no appeal to me as a recreational shooter. I understand that I can't keep anyone from carrying a handgun, and don't care that you do carry one. Some people are a lot more cautious/paranoid than I am(not meant in an insulting way to any party). I doubt you'll ever use it on me, or anyone else, anyway. Just don't try to tell me that my reasons for not wanting a handgun or their cartridges aren't valid, either...

PPS: I'm willing to admit that my aversion to dangerous game hunting is, in fact, emotionally based.

 

[gerry]

I can live without:

WSSM's
SAUM's
RUM's
30 TC (who needs a shortened 308?)
338-06 (the 35 Whelen won )
Any magnum bigger than a 375
All Weatherby's except 270, 7mm, 300 and 340
All Ackley improved rounds except the 280 AI

That's a good start