coyote vs. 300g SMK

[remingtonman_25_06]

I"ll see what I can do about that milk jug test for you guys.

I"m interested in the results myself.

 

[JD338]

That would be a interesting test for sure.
I do not want to start a brawl or point any fingers. Here is my observation-

I know that there are a lot of successful hunters using the 338 cal 300 gr SMK on game. I believe that this bullet does not have any controlled expansion and just comes apart on game as evident with your coyote. There is also a post on another forum where the same bullet didn't exit a pronghorn. There are also many successful hunters using this bullet on elk. Many of these exits are massive with a lot of internal trauma. From what I can gather, the bullet kills by shear weight, and at least the core exits.

I have only hunted elk once and was fortunate enough to kill a 5 pt at 350 yds with one shot (210 gr PT) so I am not an expert on elk. The SMK BC is very impressive for sure, 768 @ 2300 fps and above, .760 between 2300 and 1800 fps. .750 @ 1800 fps and below. Sierra even recommends that the SMK not be used as a game bullet, but again there are many that have used it successfully.
Based on my observations, I would hunt elk and other game animals only with a controlled expanding bullet. The BC will be lower but that is why I have dials on my scope.

JD338

 

[taylorce1]

I've looked at the SMK 300 grain but really don't have a rifle big enough to shoot it in. My little ol .338-06 would be hard pressed to launch them at a respectable velocity. I know this bullet is popular among the LR hunting crowd so my question is what is the impact velocity of the .338 Edge and the 300 SMK at 500+ yards? I've seen video of a deer shot at 900+ yards and it just stoned him, but did the bullet come apart at that range? I figure once you get down below 2700 fps most bullets above 120 grains will hold together regardless of construction well enough to kill a big game animal. Besides Berger markets their VLD bullets to do exactly what this Sierra did, and they claim it is a big game bullet. If it kills reliably who am I to argue?

 

[JD338]

Here is the data for a 338 Edge, 300 gr SMK BC .760

This is a very impressive bullet,, just not designed for game IMHO.

Muzzle MOA MV ME MOA Wind (10mph)

Range 2850 5410

50 1.1 -2 + 0 2788 5176 0 + 1
100 2.5 -2 + 2 2726 4950 0 + 2
150 2.8 -1 + 3 2665 4732 0 + 2
200 1.8 -0 + 3 2606 4522 0 + 3
250 -0.4 0 + 1 2547 4320 1 + 0
300 -4.0 1 + 1 2489 4125 1 + 1
350 -9.0 2 + 2 2431 3938 1 + 2
400 -15.4 3 + 3 2375 3757 1 + 3
450 -23.4 5 + 0 2319 3583 2 + 0
500 -33.0 6 + 1 2265 3416 2 + 1
550 -44.3 7 + 3 2211 3255 2 + 2
600 -57.4 9 + 1 2157 3099 2 + 3
650 -72.3 10 + 2 2104 2949 3 + 0
700 -89.2 12 + 1 2052 2804 3 + 1
750 -108.2 13 + 3 2000 2666 3 + 2
800 -129.3 15 + 2 1950 2533 3 + 3
850 -152.7 17 + 1 1900 2405 4 + 0
900 -178.6 19 + 0 1851 2283 4 + 1
950 -207.0 20 + 3 1803 2166 4 + 2
1000 -238.0 22 + 3 1756 2054 5 + 0

JD338

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

JD always says, "speed is nice, but accuracy kills"....I guess the additon to that is "a long range Partition in the guts is still a gut shot" :wink: Of course a SMK in the hind quarters of a fleeing elk....Hope you like Sausage!!

In my opinion, ballistically, what little you gain in BC on the 300gr smk, is most likely lost in velocity. I can actually shoot flatter at 1000 yards with 140gr AB, then I can with a 160gr AB. The gain in velocitiy from the 140, out weight the gain in BC from the 160. Of cousre I have much greater confidence in the ability of the 160gr AB to deliver the performance I need across a wider variety of ranges and animal construtions, so I shoot the 160's

 

[JD338]

That is exactly why I was suggesting (heavily) to Nosler for 3 years to come out with the 338 cal 250 gr AB. I would gladly give up some BC for predictable on game performance. The 338 cal 250 gr AB does just that.

JD338

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Yea, I imagine with the 250 AB the hide would look a little better, but he wouldn't be any more dead.

 

[FOTIS]

Well, we would know alot more if we had the bullet. We know it opened up quickly. Now just imagine what that would of done if but behind the shoulder of an elk....you would have rapid initial expansion, and for some reason I don't think that big 300gr bullet would just disintegrate. It would create massive trauma, and probably one very dead elk....I'd like to see someone shoot he 300gr SMK on the famous "milk jug test"
Hey Remman, do you think it's possible to line up enough jugs??

+1

That would be great Remmy if you could do that. If someone wants to provide me with some 300 gr SMK's, I will test them and post results.

JD338

I would pay to see that. :wink:

 

[FOTIS]

This is test that a guy did a while ago. Tested just about every 30 caliber bullet in media and deer carcasses. Results were identical. Well these are the matchkings in the middle row.

the whole test sorry too small but you can decipher.

Is this definitive? Probably not but the pictures are convincing...for me. Remember this is a personal view and not an attempt to sway people away from doing what they want to do. We are all adults and responsible for our choices.

 

[froggy]

We are all adults and responsible for our choices.

Tell that to the Democrats!

 

[Desert Fox]

I haven't shot an animal with the 300 SMK, but here's what the it did to my steel target at 525 yards. Muzzle velocity at 2825 fps.

 

[FOTIS]

We are all adults and responsible for our choices.

Tell that to the Democrats!

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