Federal ammunition to Czech firm overwhelmingly approved 🙄

[300WSM]

Well, now that I have had the opportunity to read the article, I reiterate my original points. If those brands continue to be manufactured in the US, I am considerably less concerned with who owns the company. I am very much interested in the US maintaining both manufacturing capability - of all sorts - and keeping Americans gainfully employed in the trades - of all sorts. The article seems to state that the intent is to maintain manufacturing as-is, at least insofar as production is concerned. However, on day one after the sale is completed, the new owner may do as they please (within the confines of law and contract). That said, manufacturing capacity is not something one simply waves a wand and increases, so I expect that manufacturing will remain precisely where it currently is.

Will prices increase, decrease, or maintain? Likely increase, I expect. But, that's just the general trend of things, and not some special insight.

I absolutely agree that buyer apathy has directly contributed to the offshoring of production and jobs, but so has the fact that inflation has outpaced wages for many, many years. I won't speak for others, but I find that my idealism wanes proportional to how near the bottom of the soup can I get.

To be clear, I am not trying to take issue with anything anyone has said. And for the record, my wife has a pair of Danners that's she had so long that I won't put the number here.

SK tools was purchased by a Chinese company and to this point at least they're keeping their USA made tools calling them professional and have added Chinese made tools under the SK name.

We will see how long that holds. But for now jobs in America making American tools still going so who cares who the 12 board members are.
Far more laborers than executives

 

[bkordon]

Well, now that I have had the opportunity to read the article, I reiterate my original points. If those brands continue to be manufactured in the US, I am considerably less concerned with who owns the company. I am very much interested in the US maintaining both manufacturing capability - of all sorts - and keeping Americans gainfully employed in the trades - of all sorts. The article seems to state that the intent is to maintain manufacturing as-is, at least insofar as production is concerned. However, on day one after the sale is completed, the new owner may do as they please (within the confines of law and contract). That said, manufacturing capacity is not something one simply waves a wand and increases, so I expect that manufacturing will remain precisely where it currently is.

Will prices increase, decrease, or maintain? Likely increase, I expect. But, that's just the general trend of things, and not some special insight.

I absolutely agree that buyer apathy has directly contributed to the offshoring of production and jobs, but so has the fact that inflation has outpaced wages for many, many years. I won't speak for others, but I find that my idealism wanes proportional to how near the bottom of the soup can I get.

To be clear, I am not trying to take issue with anything anyone has said. And for the record, my wife has a pair of Danners that's she had so long that I won't put the number here.

We see this all the time in the wine and spirits industry. A brand is purchased for an extraordinary amount and the first thing that happens is prices go up 10-15%. Production in most instances stays the same. This is the only way a company can recoup the cost of overpaying for assets. The big get bigger. Being independent, this makes it hard to continue to support some of these brands. Consolidation ultimately does not benefit consumers.

 

[trapper10]

Speak for yourself but
I DO NOT shop at Walmart.
I mean no malice in that but I own a business and equipment for that or personal use I will not buy Asian made goods. At least as far as can be helped. Sometimes electronics can be tough to aquire outside of
Asia.
I bought a TV around 2005-2008 that was made in USA. Still going.

When I was growing up it was
made in Japan as the brunt of the jokes.
That became...made in Taiwan as the joke bearer...
That became made in Philippines...

Now what we see...

Made in China.

They're definitely without a doubt the worst of all. Quality is trash and that might be over complimentary

Big business, i.e. box stores...Wallyworld, Lowes, AutoZone, etc. It's all from Asia. China primarily. I bought $900 fly rods from US companies, just like you did Danner boots. Good quality! It's a very small percentage of consumer expenditure. Quality is not paramount for the most companies. Cheap prices are what sells for them.

 

[RL338]

The problem with made in the USA is that somewhere inside that product there is outsourced China parts in it. What the China virus taught us , is with part shortages to be able to finish building goods.

 

[sako2]

My buddy bought brake rotors from NAPA it said made in the USA turned out only the box was made here.

 

[300WSM]

The problem with made in the USA is that somewhere inside that product there is outsourced China parts in it. What the China virus taught us , is with part shortages to be able to finish building goods.

At one time what you say is true but...
today that is not true.

The FTC is very hard core in enforcing the labeling of goods for sale in the USA. I don't know the year they started taking that very seriously but they mean business!

An item can NOT use the made in USA with no other exceptions tied to the label if components are imported.

If an item uses Made in USA with global materials or the like then it still must have a great deal of USA labor and or USA goods involved in that product in order to use that label even with the exceptions listed.
I'm a big advocate for buying goods and services for that matter here and have many conversations with people about that and pointing out things to them they're oblivious to...
example...Milwaukee tools. Talking about their cordless lineup.
They make exactly two tools out of their entire line of cordless tools that are actually made in USA.
A magnetic drill press and one SKU sawzall.
Two sku's. That is it. The rest are made in china. Owned by the Chinese. It's amazing how many people have no idea about that.
DeWalt...while they don't make every cordless tool here they do make a great deal. Power Grease gun, Impacts, Drills, drivers, Hammer drills, Recip saws...

All the above tools I mentioned USA made rom DeWalt have a tag that says Made in USA with global materials. It doesn't take a great deal of percentage of components of that tool to be required to specify that in that description.
If they use the anvil on the impact wrench sourced outside the U.S. the anvil is considered a major component of the end product. Therefore....even if all other items were USA made in that tool but the anvil...a significant part...is imported it must label accordingly and Made in USA with global materials would be appropriate.

Made in USA with no exceptions listed on the label are 100 percent USA made. Even if a part is imported but is of insignificance
to the actual item a Made in USA tag is perfectly satisfactory.

Leupold scopes is a great example of this. At one time all of those scopes had Made in USA on the box. Even though the lenses were Japanese they mentioned nothing of that and put Made in USA all over eveyrthing.

Now they can't do that. Lenses are an important part of the scope therefore they can't state that without exceptions like Made in USA with global materials.

We just can do the best we can when buying items. That's all we can do

 

[badaxeriverman]

Thank god I reload. I haven’t bought any centerfire ammunition in over 25 years. Only shotgun and rimfire. Imo rimfire quality that comes from the company any can’t get any worse than it already is. They were working on selling it to them years ago and never went through. As long as I can get components to reload, which I really don’t need anymore else since I probably am stocked up for two lifetimes…unless I get choosy and decide I want a different projectile.

I’m sure everybody here would like to buy stuff made in America only but the economy has to change and unfortunately, even when it says made in America 99% of the components brought in from other countries or it was a rebranded item imported from another country that says made in the USA. Kind of reminds me of another post I read recently on another forum, bashing tires. Said they would only buy ones made in America. Even if they are made in America, all the components come from overseas. Rubber plants don’t grow in the United States unless you have one sitting on your shelf in a bucket. Unfortunately, 99.9% of the items sold say, they are made in the United States or knock offs and rebranded the items or components that were brought in and rebranded as “made in the USA”. I believe 99.9% of the items out there that are made in the USA are only manufactured in the USA with foreign materials. We just start being told this. If you call the average manufacturer that says made in the USA they will tell you they have imported certain items been manufactured it in the USA. Pretty common practice. I think it will be close to impossible to find items that are made in the USA 100% nowadays yes they’re around, but they are far, few, and in between. Just about all our gun powder comes from over seas. Your American made ammunition has foreign materials in it.

 

[badaxeriverman]

Big business, i.e. box stores...Wallyworld, Lowes, AutoZone, etc. It's all from Asia. China primarily. I bought $900 fly rods from US companies, just like you did Danner boots. Good quality! It's a very small percentage of consumer expenditure. Quality is not paramount for the most companies. Cheap prices are what sells for them.

The rubber off your Danner boots was imported from another country. They were just made in the USA not all the parts were manufactured here so you can consider those foreign as well….lol. I personally know, bigwigs from the old lacrosse rubber mills that used to fly to other countries to strike up deals agreements to import rubber along with other components. They were assembled at the plant once they got here, but the raw materials were purchased from other countries. Same with St. Croix fishing rods that are claimed made in USA. Their components are outsourced to other countries. If you don’t believe me, get on the phone and have a conversation with the manufacturers. Went through this with Rage Broadheads the other day. The company imports their blades and their bodies. They assemble them in-house and label them as made in USA because they are basically manufactured in the USA but using foreign components.

You’ll be hard-pressed to go through and walk through a store in today’s market and find something that is truly “made” in the USA with all 100 % USA components and raw materials. I think of the TV that someone posted here talked about how long it lasted that it was USA “made you”…. with imported internal components from other countries.


Anyways, it sucks that they’re getting sold either way. I never was a fan of the company, but they were starting to grow on me in the last year or so.

 

[JD338]

And part of the problem is most people want made in the USA but at a China price point.
They don't want to pay for the USA labor.

JD338

 

[clearwater]

I am a small manufacturer and used to be able to get 95% of my parts USA made. Gradually over the last 40 years, the materials are no longer made here in the quality I need. Most of those suppliers could come back pretty fast to make the items I need if tariffs or some other trade barrier were a thing, as the mills are still around. But that won't be the case for parts/raw material makers that tore down the infrastructure when things moved overseas. Somehow there needs to be a long term plan with stability to increase manufacturing here. Between changes in government goals every few years and share holders looking for a quick buck, that seems unlikely.

 

[RL338]

They don't want to pay for the USA labor.

I might add that the manufacturers don’t want to pay for US labor.

 

[badaxeriverman]

The biggest issue is your paying normally 100% or quadruple that from something that was imported in just rebranded to a US company that is basically the same product. You can look at the rage hypodermic’s broad heads on eBay in Amazon that are from China you can basically get them for under a dollar apiece. The blades are not sharpened to the quality that they are here in the US and I believe they use a different blade here in the US but you’re also paying $14 apiece for them…or more.