Guess My 06 does not like E-Tips

[bullet]

Well except for changing brass I have no idea how to get the 150gr E-Tip to shoot any better than and inch at best and that was H4350 at 2823fps. I am going to break for a while on that bullet and think about it for a while. The 1" best group could do well as a hunting load but really, I would like it under and inch if I am going to use it for any distance. Oh, Well, you can't win them all.

 

[YoteSmoker]

As good as your gun shoots the gamekings and since you live in Mississippi and all, I would not be heart broken one bit.

 

[Richracer1]

Well except for changing brass I have no idea how to get the 150gr E-Tip to shoot any better than and inch at best and that was H4350 at 2823fps. I am going to break for a while on that bullet and think about it for a while. The 1" best group could do well as a hunting load but really, I would like it under and inch if I am going to use it for any distance. Oh, Well, you can't win them all.

Next attempt, try the 180ET. My 30-06 liked them with H414.

 

[ArmyCW]

Well except for changing brass I have no idea how to get the 150gr E-Tip to shoot any better than and inch at best and that was H4350 at 2823fps. I am going to break for a while on that bullet and think about it for a while. The 1" best group could do well as a hunting load but really, I would like it under and inch if I am going to use it for any distance. Oh, Well, you can't win them all.

Yes, I understand the 1" MOA with E-tips as best. Only thing to do is
try another bullets. I think part of the key is find a Factory load that you rifle likes pretty well. Seems mine really did okay with the Federal Gold with 168 gr Sierra's. I'm going to try 165 Hornady's and Noslers next.
I have worked with IMR 4064, IMR 4350, H4350 and a few H414 which didn't work well at all. I've been thinking of trying Varget with a few 150's.
but feel the 2800 fps with 150's is in the ball park. going to try OAL next.
How far do you move bullets for each 3 shot group?

 

[old #7]

Well except for changing brass I have no idea how to get the 150gr E-Tip to shoot any better than and inch at best and that was H4350 at 2823fps. I am going to break for a while on that bullet and think about it for a while. The 1" best group could do well as a hunting load but really, I would like it under and inch if I am going to use it for any distance. Oh, Well, you can't win them all.

Sometimes you have to move on.
I had a 7mm mag that would only shoot two bullets sub moa.
I worked on that thing for almost a year before I conceeded.

 

[bullet]

I think you are right. I have not given up yet but will try a few more things before I do and will also try the 180gr E-Tip

 

[Guest]

What were your final rounds for the 150gr E-Tip, Mike? I'm curious as to the rifle not shooting well with them, as I'm now getting good results from two rifles with them. What did your groups look like?

 

[bullet]

What were your final rounds for the 150gr E-Tip, Mike? I'm curious as to the rifle not shooting well with them, as I'm now getting good results from two rifles with them. What did your groups look like?

My final loads were 57grs H4350 and 58grs IMR4350 and they were one inch when subtracted bore. They were classic triangle shapes suggesting to me that my rifle wants to shoot them. Truly as I have thought and gone over all my notes, it think it is the Nosler Brass. I am going to try Winchester and Remington. You see for me to get velocities that at least take advantage of the BC of the E-Tip 2818fps I had to use very compressed charges but they were charges that I find in the Winchester brass were not that compressed. With my charges which did not create any pressure signs I could not quit push the 150gr E-Tip down to the OAL I needed.

So if you have any input that you feel would help, I find myself stumped with these bullets and that has not happened much in my reloading life, I would appreciate your advice dubyam. :grin:

 

[Guest]

As fine as the Nosler brass may be, it may just come down to case capacity and the long bullet dictating going with the greater capacity to get COL where you want it. I really think that's the primary key with these E-Tips - SHORT COL! I know JD has been running his .1" off the lands (which is a lot), and I'm starting to experiment with .125" below magazine length for a 300Wby I'm working on for a friend who's wanting to get into handloading, but isn't ready space-wise to make the plunge. (If things keep going the way they are, I'm going to lose my space, as well, but that's another story.) Those loads are running huge charges of IMR7828, and I've got one more step to be up to published max - ran out of daylight for the chronograph at the last range trip. I expect velocities to be in the 3200fps range, based on velocity change per charge step so far, which is about as fast as I think the 180E-Tip can be safely pushed in the 26" barrel of his rifle. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a 180 at 3200, either, mind you.

Anyway, if you can get higher case volume from Rem or Win brass, I'd try it out. Slow powders and short COL's are the order of the day for these E-Tips, so far. I got a load shooting a nice triangle around 1.2" from my buddy's 300Wby with the 180gr E-Tips, and I'm hoping shortening a bit more will bring it down under .75". I'd be more optimistic, but I'm still not great with long range sessions with the 300 and the hard recoil pad on the tupperware stock, so my shooting suffers after the first 10-12 shots. I'm still good with the 270Wby, so I know I can shoot, but I feel the tension with the 300, so I work it a little, and then set it aside a while.

Sorry to hijack the thread a tad, but I'm with you on trying some thinner brass and seeing whether or not things work better at even shorter COL's. I've found these bullets like to be pushed fast, also, if that helps. I know you don't have trouble pushing bullets fast - I've seen your chronograph readings!

 

[bullet]

As fine as the Nosler brass may be, it may just come down to case capacity and the long bullet dictating going with the greater capacity to get COL where you want it. I really think that's the primary key with these E-Tips - SHORT COL! I know JD has been running his .1" off the lands (which is a lot), and I'm starting to experiment with .125" below magazine length for a 300Wby I'm working on for a friend who's wanting to get into handloading, but isn't ready space-wise to make the plunge. (If things keep going the way they are, I'm going to lose my space, as well, but that's another story.) Those loads are running huge charges of IMR7828, and I've got one more step to be up to published max - ran out of daylight for the chronograph at the last range trip. I expect velocities to be in the 3200fps range, based on velocity change per charge step so far, which is about as fast as I think the 180E-Tip can be safely pushed in the 26" barrel of his rifle. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a 180 at 3200, either, mind you.

Anyway, if you can get higher case volume from Rem or Win brass, I'd try it out. Slow powders and short COL's are the order of the day for these E-Tips, so far. I got a load shooting a nice triangle around 1.2" from my buddy's 300Wby with the 180gr E-Tips, and I'm hoping shortening a bit more will bring it down under .75". I'd be more optimistic, but I'm still not great with long range sessions with the 300 and the hard recoil pad on the tupperware stock, so my shooting suffers after the first 10-12 shots. I'm still good with the 270Wby, so I know I can shoot, but I feel the tension with the 300, so I work it a little, and then set it aside a while.

Sorry to hijack the thread a tad, but I'm with you on trying some thinner brass and seeing whether or not things work better at even shorter COL's. I've found these bullets like to be pushed fast, also, if that helps. I know you don't have trouble pushing bullets fast - I've seen your chronograph readings!

Thanks for the impute dubyam, it helps me think I am at least on the right path with this thing. I agree the E-Tip likes to be pushed fast and H4350 should be slow enough powder to let me in Win brass get a compressed load that allows for a short OAL and still have good velocities. Thanks again for taking the time.

 

[old #7]

A 10mph cross wind will blow you around .75. same for down and up drafts.

 

[bullet]

A 10mph cross wind will blow you around .75. same for down and up drafts.

old#7, there was only about a 4mph wind and it was a cold morning and I finished before the sun broke over the trees.

 

[old #7]

A 10mph cross wind will blow you around .75. same for down and up drafts.

old#7, there was only about a 4mph wind and it was a cold morning and I finished before the sun broke over the trees.

Nothing beats a morning cup of joe and shooting. :grin:

 

[bullet]

A 10mph cross wind will blow you around .75. same for down and up drafts.

old#7, there was only about a 4mph wind and it was a cold morning and I finished before the sun broke over the trees.

Nothing beats a morning cup of joe and shooting. :grin:

You know 0ld#7, you are so right about that. I just love to shoot, read between shots, pour a cup of coffee out of my thermos and go on line with my air card between shots sometimes and just have a relaxing morning having a ball.

Going in the morning again instead of hunting. I will hunt my las two days Monday and Tuesday of next week. I lost my job yesterday and have till April first to find something or I will not be able to afford shooting.

 

[old #7]

Sorry to hear about the job.
It's getting a little rough out there.

 

[bullet]

Sorry to hear about the job.
It's getting a little rough out there.

God will take care of me and keep a roof over my head, clothes on my back and food in my stomach and who knows, he might have something real exciting for me to do. :grin:

 

[kraky]

Good luck with the job. Our area has been hit hard too and it's been real solid for employment over the years till now.
RE the accuracy. Have you tried them beyond 100 yds?>>

In the old days I had a 300 wby that shot a real tough bullet at 1.5-1.75" at 100 yds. I was gonna just shoot em up and reload something else one day at the range when I was doing some 300 yds shooting. To my very happy surprise that ammo was doing nice 3" round 300 yds groups!
Thats not gonna win matches but with a 9x scope and bullets landing 1.5" from the x hair that's gonna kill any big elk, caribou or moose that I pull the trigger on.

Maybe those 1" e tips will give you the same surprise.

 

[bullet]

Good luck with the job. Our area has been hit hard too and it's been real solid for employment over the years till now.
RE the accuracy. Have you tried them beyond 100 yds?>>

In the old days I had a 300 wby that shot a real tough bullet at 1.5-1.75" at 100 yds. I was gonna just shoot em up and reload something else one day at the range when I was doing some 300 yds shooting. To my very happy surprise that ammo was doing nice 3" round 300 yds groups!
Thats not gonna win matches but with a 9x scope and bullets landing 1.5" from the x hair that's gonna kill any big elk, caribou or moose that I pull the trigger on.

Maybe those 1" e tips will give you the same surprise.

Point well made about some loads not shooting good at 100 but at 300 and beyond doing very well. Also some loads that shoot good at 100yds don't group well at 300 and beyond. kraky, I reallly want more velocity than I am getting at the moment. There is no advantage to having great BC and sub par velocity, the slower velocity negates the great BC. I am thinking I will get it with greater case capacity so I am changing brass.

 

[Guest]

Sorry to hear about the job situation, Mike. You know I empathize with you deeply on that front. If there's anything I can do, let me know. I have some connections with various offices up this way, but I don't know if they're looking to hire. We can take this offline if need be. Shoot me an email and we can discuss it.