I Guess I am Just Not Observant!!!

[bullet]

WOW!!! The 358Win has become even more of a hand loaders cartridge. There is not one rifle being chambered of any kind in 358Win accept in Brownings BLR. I really don't understand what is wrong with Americans. Even Taylor said that the 35 caliber cartridges that put a 250gr bullet out there over 2200fps, killed better than you would think they could. If one uses the 358Win they discover a great cartridge that is very effective and it does not kick like some of those writers use to say it did. My 30-06 with a heavy for caliber load is much worse than a 358Win shooting a 225gr bullet over 2500fps. I am really having a hard time expressing what I feel about all of this. Maybe it is not worth it, but I sure hate to see the 358Win go by the way side again. What a shame indeed!!!

 

[HeathSexton]

Not fast enough.

A friend hunted with a 30/06 forever, never took a shot over 100yds, got on a new lease and had to have a .300WM because he may have to shoot at 300yds. The old /06 just couldn't do it you know. I showed him my /06 drops 8"@300yds with a 200yd zero, his 300WM drops 6"@300yds with a 200yd zero, according to him that is a HUGE difference and will make or break you at that range on deer. A lot of people around here have to have a magnum to make all these 100yd and in shots because everything else is grossly underpowered. People see a new product in a mag or on TV and it is the stuff, I actually had a guy tell me once that a .308 Win was just not enough for deer, no way the old slow .358 Win could do it.

 

[bullet]

Not fast enough.

A friend hunted with a 30/06 forever, never took a shot over 100yds, got on a new lease and had to have a .300WM because he may have to shoot at 300yds. The old /06 just couldn't do it you know. I showed him my /06 drops 8"@300yds with a 200yd zero, his 300WM drops 6"@300yds with a 200yd zero, according to him that is a HUGE difference and will make or break you at that range on deer. A lot of people around here have to have a magnum to make all these 100yd and in shots because everything else is grossly underpowered. People see a new product in a mag or on TV and it is the stuff, I actually had a guy tell me once that a .308 Win was just not enough for deer, no way the old slow .358 Win could do it.

Yeah, it is to slow, drops to much. I am sure that buck last year at 102yds would have like for my slow 225gr bullet at 2552fps not to have put him down, but especially that bod cat that sat on his hind quarters like a house cat and looked at me from 105yds on the gas line with a 3" kill area in the middle of his chest that I put that 225gr bullet right into the center of his chest would have liked for me to miss with my 358Win. Oh, well, it is what it is I guess - I just don't like it, that's all.

 

[bullet]

Note, that the Browning BLR is not as strong and action as the Ruger Hawkeye so don't duplicate anyones load that was worked up in a Ruger if you are shooting a BLR. Just a warning. That is why I did not publish my load with TAC for the 250gr Partiion or the 225gr AccuBond.

 

[FOTIS]

American hunters/shooters are a little jacked up in the head! Yours truly included!

They introduced the 358 in a lightweight carbine that kicked like hell same with the 350 Rem mag.
With the 6mm they screwed the pooch with a slow twist to stabilize 90 gr bullets max!

These cartridges are worshiped by the wise but set aside by the rest. Once something gets a nail in the coffin......done deal. Look at the 280 Rem Phenomenal chambering but loaded very light from the factory for the Remington auto. Then the name changes 7mm express . Can we screw it up any further???????????????

 

[JD338]

The 358 Win and 35 Whelen are both great rounds. Loaded with 250 gr bullets, they offer plenty of speed and horsepower without a lot of recoil.

JD338

 

[bullet]

American hunters/shooters are a little jacked up in the head! Yours truly included!

They introduced the 358 in a lightweight carbine that kicked like hell same with the 350 Rem mag.
With the 6mm they screwed the pooch with a slow twist to stabilize 90 gr bullets max!

These cartridges are worshiped by the wise but set aside by the rest. Once something gets a nail in the coffin......done deal. Look at the 280 Rem Phenomenal chambering but loaded very light from the factory for the Remington auto. Then the name changes 7mm express . Can we screw it up any further???????????????

Yeah, your point is so true, once a nail in the coffin is usually is dead. I think I would like to make a custom 358Win but not decided on the receiver and need to wait due to lack of income at the present. Some things I like about my Ruger like mine is a shooter and some things I don't like about he Ruger. Yeah POP, we sure can screw it up with some great cartridges.

 

[bullet]

The 358 Win and 35 Whelen are both great rounds. Loaded with 250 gr bullets, they offer plenty of speed and horsepower without a lot of recoil.

JD338

Two great cartridges. Have you seen where the Remington CDL the 35 Whelen has been discontinued. Sure makes you wonder.

 

[JD338]

American hunters/shooters are a little jacked up in the head! Yours truly included!

They introduced the 358 in a lightweight carbine that kicked like hell same with the 350 Rem mag.
With the 6mm they screwed the pooch with a slow twist to stabilize 90 gr bullets max!

These cartridges are worshiped by the wise but set aside by the rest. Once something gets a nail in the coffin......done deal. Look at the 280 Rem Phenomenal chambering but loaded very light from the factory for the Remington auto. Then the name changes 7mm express . Can we screw it up any further???????????????

You are so right! Same with the 280 Rem loaded to lower pressures!

I have shot a fair amount of WT deer and a bear with the 35 Whelen. The 35 calibers are very accurate and hit hard leaving a nice big exit for lots of blood to leak out. The vetern hunters that have used the big 35 cals know just how good they are!

JD338

 

[JD338]

The 358 Win and 35 Whelen are both great rounds. Loaded with 250 gr bullets, they offer plenty of speed and horsepower without a lot of recoil.

JD338

Two great cartridges. Have you seen where the Remington CDL the 35 Whelen has been discontinued. Sure makes you wonder.

Remington just doesn't get it. The 35 Whelen has been a good selling rifle in both the Classic and the CDL. Ever notice that you don't see many for sale on the used market? Fotis hit pay dirt finding a Classic 350 RM NIB!

JD338

 

[corbin9191]

I have one HUGE problem with the 358win. The problem that I have is that I CAN'T afford it, or else I would love to put one of those into my safe and use it on anything I felt suitable with. :lol:
I just think think that everyone want's to have the newest of the new when it come to rifles and scopes, just so they can go to their friends and have to bragging rights. But other than that the 358 win can lay down more than enough killing power. People don't about the momentum of a big bullet compared to a little bullet going extremely fast. This is what a friend to me is the best way to think about this. Take a cinder block wall and through a baseball at 100 mph at it and see what happens, then take a bowling ball and throw it at 20 mph at the cinder block wall and watch what happens. The fast baseball will bounce off the wall while the SLOW bowling ball will go through it. But that is my .02

 

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You take a Volkswagen Bug, and move it 1,000 mph and then take a Train Engine and move it at 60 mph, you have the same kinetic energy. Now let each one of them hit an average size brick home. The Volkswagen Bug will do a lot of damage but also will be torn completely apart with maybe a small piece or two actually making it all the way through the house. Now hit it with the Train Engine and the Engine will demolish the house leaving a gaping swath through the house with maybe the far sides still standing but the Engine will continue retaining a the majority of it's mass, with a few minor peripheral pieces being torn off as it goes out the other side and travels for a while. That is because it has a lot of energy and momentum, which in combination are a good balance and are very destructive and effective when working together.

That is what the 358Win and 35 Whelen bring to the table, a balance of more than sufficient energy and lots of momentum to accomplish a well balanced wound channel and killing effect. Energy is what tears things up and momentum is what keeps it going for a good while. This is why the 35 calibers are very good cartridges because they bring both these aspects to the table in a symphony of balance and harmony between the destructive forces of kinetic energy and the power of movement found in momentum to create a very good cavitating wound while exiting 95% of the time. The big bullets with good velocity are not like the little bullets that do not have very much mass, and are moving at very high velocities and more times than not their effect on game is like a cacophony, an unpleasant combination of flesh and bullet being thorn to pieces before vitals are destroyed and the bullet many times fails to exit creating a disharmony and imbalance between kinetic energy and momentum and not always creating a blood trail if tracking is needed.

There is a miss belief that if a bullet stays in an animal and does not exit that it expended all it's energy and makes for a better kill. First, it does expend it's energy but that is diminished energy as apposed to a bullet that release energy all the way through the wound. Second, The bullet that stops in an animal actually expends less energy than one that travels all the way through and out the other side. I like the bigger for caliber bullets in the cartridges I use when it comes to game bigger than a southern whitetail or coyote for the reasons stated above, and even at times use heavy for caliber bullets even on deer and coyote.

 

[corbin9191]

You take a Volkswagen Bug, and move it 1,000 mph and then take a Train Engine and move it at 60 mph, you have the same kinetic energy. Now let each one of them hit an average size brick home. The Volkswagen Bug will do a lot of damage but also will be torn completely apart with maybe a small piece or two actually making it all the way through the house. Now hit it with the Train Engine and the Engine will demolish the house leaving a gaping swath through the house with maybe the far sides still standing but the Engine will continue retaining a the majority of it's mass, with a few minor peripheral pieces being torn off as it goes out the other side and travels for a while. That is because it has a lot of energy and momentum, which in combination are a good balance and are very destructive and effective when working together.

That is what the 358Win and 35 Whelen bring to the table, a balance of more than sufficient energy and lots of momentum to accomplish a well balanced wound channel and killing effect. Energy is what tears things up and momentum is what keeps it going for a good while. This is why the 35 calibers are very good cartridges because they bring both these aspects to the table in a symphony of balance and harmony between the destructive forces of kinetic energy and momentum in creating a very good cavitating wound while exiting 95% of the time. The big bullets with good velocity are not like the little bullets that do not have very much mass, yet, they are moving at very high velocities and more times than not their effect on game is like a cacophony, an unpleasant combination of flesh and bullet being thorn to pieces before vitals are destroyed and the bullet many times fails to exit creating a disharmony and imbalance between kinetic energy and momentum and not always creating a blood trail if tracking is needed.

There is a miss belief that if a bullet stays in an animal and does not exit that it expended all it's energy and makes for a better kill. First, it does expend it's energy but that is diminished energy as apposed to a bullet that release energy all the way through the wound. Second, The bullet that stops in an animal actually expends less energy than one that travels all the way through and out the other side. I like the bigger for caliber bullets in the cartridges I use when it comes to game bigger than a southern whitetail or coyote for the reasons stated above, and even at times use heavy for caliber bullets even on deer and coyote.

I agree 110%, the only problem is that I don't have one yet to start testing loads out with these great big bullets that they have out for this caliber. :lol:

 

[SJB358]

Well said, I love both my 358 Win and 35 Whelen! Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Thirty-five calibre rifles rock.

 

[257 Ackley]

Bullet and all 35 cal shooters -
As you have stated better than I can, the slow chuggers will get the job done in the right situations better than the magnum loud-n-boomers. Every deer I have shot (3) with my BLR .358 has been anchored when hit. My applications have all been thick hardwood shots of less than 150 yards, but that is what I see the caliber intended for.

I opted to use my 338-06 for the one moose hunt I have done, but know that the .358 would have been just as effective for the shot that I harvested my bull with. My hunting/fishing partner who grew up hunting moose in Northern Ontario has hunted his whole life with a Remington semi-auto in a .308 using 180 grain core-lokt bullets. You would have a hard time convincing the number of moose taken through the years that that combination didn't work for him.

I think there are many out there that hope the bigger faster calibers will make up for their lack of hunting skills or ability to get close enough for a quick humane kill.

I do own a 300WSM (unbloodied), that was purchased after seeing the distances that would be necessary for some shots on my last elk hunt in Montana. Prior to that, I had only hunted elk with my 338-06 and 7mm-08.

What we have to remember is that the average hunter does not spend the time educating themselves on the capabilities of the non-sexy calibers and drink the kool-aid from the gun rags and manufacturers who need to sell product to stay in business.

 

[SJB358]

Well spoken buddy! Hopefully the 35's hold on. They seemed to be making a comeback in recent times. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

For the cognoscenti, the 35s will always have a place in the safe. They will just quietly continue to harvest game and feed the family.

 

[bullet]

For the cognoscenti, the 35s will always have a place in the safe. They will just quietly continue to harvest game and feed the family.

Well said, indeed.

 

[257 Ackley]

For the cognoscenti, the 35s will always have a place in the safe.

Mike -
You are getting way too sophisticated for this simple country boy :wink: