Marlin 1895G

[HeathSexton]

My Encore 45/70 24" shot the 350 Hornady RN and the 405 Rem SP great with RL7. I would like to try 322 and H4895 also.

 

[JD338]

Scotty,

I use RCBS dies and their roll crimp has worked just fine for me. Look closely at the picture of the loaded rounds and you will see a nice rolled crimp.

JD338

 

[bullet]

I know you will find what makes you happy and you have picked some good choices.

 

[JD338]

Scotty and Heath,

Here are my 45-70 loads-

300 gr JHP (Remington)
62.0 grs H322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 2204 fps

300 gr PP (Nosler)
60.0 grs H322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 2100 fps

405 gr SP (Remington)
52.5 grs H 322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 1840 fps

Start low and work up, these loads are safe in my 1895 Guide gun.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

Good deal, thanks for the heads up on the crimp Jim. I may still order the Lee FCD, but I may try the regular one first on the die set I get. Right now I am either going Hornady or RCBS, since Forster doesn't have a die set for the 45-70 that I could find.

I think I will start out with H322 and see where that gets me. I would like to find some of the flat point 350gr Hornady's for my first loads. I will look around the shelves soon and see what I can get my paws on.

Thanks Mike, I think it will be a neat rifle. I am still debating on just putting a 1x4 Leupold on it, in regular QD mounts, mounted as low as I can get it. I always flip flop on this, cause I know I will probably never use the iron sights. I may check the zero on the factory irons, and call it good. I wanna shoot this thing.... Scotty

 

[SJB358]

Scotty and Heath,

Here are my 45-70 loads-

300 gr JHP (Remington)
62.0 grs H322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 2204 fps

300 gr PP (Nosler)
60.0 grs H322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 2100 fps

405 gr SP (Remington)
52.5 grs H 322
W-W case
Federal GM210M primer
MV 1840 fps

Start low and work up, these loads are safe in my 1895 Guide gun.

JD338

Jim, thanks a million for those loads. They look pretty good to me. Below is what my hunting partners father sent about his load data of a M1895G also.

Here's what I'm using:

39.0 grains IMR 4198, 300 grain Hornady hollow point, 1630fps
46.0 grains IMR 4198, 300 grain Hornady hollow point, 1811fps
50.0 grains RL-7, 350 grain Hornady flat point, 1885fps
56.0 grains BL-C(2), 405 grain Cast Performance WLN, 1600fps

IMR 4198 is a good all around powder for the 45-70. My 39.0 grain load is what I got the deer with. It went all the way through broadside but the deer took off running. He sprayed blood out both sides tho and dropped not far away. I was surprised he ran at all! Very light, easy shooting, accurate load in my Marlin Guide Gun. I'm using the 46.0 grain load now because some of the guys on the forums said I should push the 300 grainer faster to have it open up--heavy built hollow point. The RL-7 load is a pretty standard 350 grain load. The BL-C(2) load was one I got from a guy suggesting that as a good load in his Guide Gun. It was very accurate in my gun too.

Of all the loads, the 350 grainer off the bench hurts the most--have to keep you fingers out of the lever loop if you want them in one piece after the shot! The 405 grain load kicks just about as bad and that can be loaded hotter. 56 grains was where I started and it was accurate so I quit there. Anything with IMR 4198 between 39 and 46 grains would be fine for deer. The 350 and 405 loads would probably be better for bear or bigger stuff. The Winchester factory loads with the Nosler Partition are extremely accurate but also extremely expensive. Buffalo Bore and Cor Bon make 500 grain loads that will shoot length-wise thru a cape buffalo if you are headed for Africa!

The 45-70 is nice because you can load it from an easy shooting gun to a real barn burner that will take anything on the planet.


This is from a fellow Yooper Jim. Scotty

 

[JD338]

Small world eh? :wink:

JD338

 

[SJB358]

You aren't kidding! You Michigan'ers get around! Scotty

 

[SJB358]

Here are some pictures with the 2x7 Leupold. It is the scope meant for Muzzleloaders and Sabot shooting shotguns called the SABR. Seems like a nice piece of glass, and the Leupold QD rings are very nice. Overall, it seems like a good package. Has alot of eye relief, so I am thankful for that. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Looks good, Scotty. One of the strong features of Leupold is the long eye-relief.

 

[Elkman]

I could take it home with me and try it out for you this next fall, and maybe the fall after!!!!

 

[SJB358]

Thanks Bill. I will try and blood it first, but if I can't pull through, I will let you have a whirl with it! Scotty

 

[JD338]

Scotty,

That Golden Ring looks great on your 1895G!
Does the SABR reticle match up to the 45-70?

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

NICE!

 

[SJB358]

I am not sure which power setting to use for the scope. Leupold says to shoot it dead on at 100 yards and then use the 100 yard hold again at 300 yards, shoot another group, then use something visible and adjust the scopes power until the 300 yards zero line is over the 300 yard group while you are using the 100 yard hold. Not sure if that makes any sense, but I think the 45-70 should be close. They say with that kind of zero, the other markers should be very close. Sorry for long explanation. Leupold explains it better. Scotty

 

[JD338]

Scotty

Let us know how that works out.
You just may have yourself a long range buffalo buster! :grin:

JD338

 

[SJB358]

That would be pretty neat. Be kind of cool to see how the big bullets do out at longer ranges. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Once upon a time the US Army thought they were pretty good at long range. As I understand the criteria for selection of the cartridge by the military brass, one critical factor was that the bullet was capable of penetrating a considerable distance through oak planking at distances exceeding 450 yards. I do know that a large amount of brass moving at the velocities generated expend a lot of energy before they are again at rest.

 

[SJB358]

Yeah, I remember reading the same thing Mike. I am sure they would penetrate pretty well at longer ranges, expansion would slow and allow the bullet to keep plowing. Looking at the size of the bullet, I don't think those big bullets need to expand too awfully much, plus, if they get an exit, should get alot of leakage on the ground! Scotty

 

[DrMike]

At long distance it would be 45 calibre in and 45 calibre out. It is a massive hole any way you look at it and it would make for a lot of leakage.