Moose, lets be realistic

[Anonymous]

Hodgeman. Can a non resident DYI hunt everything in Alaska or do some animals, like perhaps the brown bear or goat require a guide. ? Does the non resident have to pay anything to the State up front, which he will get back he he doesnt have to have anyone come look for him ?

A Non-Res can hunt DIY for everything except Dall Sheep, Brown/Grizzly bears and Mountain Goat, for those species they're required to hire a licensed guide.

Non-residents have to buy licenses and tags prior to hunting and the cost is non-refundable. Since AK is so large (like 5 or 6 large Western states) the regulations vary substantially...some areas have OTC tags, some have draws and some areas have no non-res opportunity at all.

Most of the really good moose hunting areas will have OTC tags for non residents. Some of the higher pressured areas will have limited non-res opportunity and the highly pressured areas will be draw tags for residents as well.

 

[maverick2]

Washington has a limited moose draw, odds are long though... Once in a lifetime tag. I think there are going to be more permits, as the moose population seems to be flourishing.

Guy

It will be interesting (that may not be the best word) to watch Washington's moose population if the infusion of wolves from your eastern border continue. It seems like elk numbers get the majority of the press when people talk about wolf impacts, but my observation is that moose take a huge hit as well -- I've seen areas with long tradition of high moose numbers take a nosedive with the arrival of wolves. In addition to direct predation, there's apparently some type of parasite that the wolves bring with them that can be fatal to moose when exposed (impacts similar to a "wasting disease"). Do you have a sense as to what type of management stance the State of Washington will take on wolves now that they've arrived (and continue to do so)?

 

[Africa Huntress]

I heard from mom but instead of sending this to Scotty via pm, I thought I would post it, so wisconsinhunter and others might consider Sweden for their moose hunt destination.

I qoute

Tell Scotty, that a 7 day accommodation hunt, will give him 5 full days to hunt and it will cost him right at 10,000 U.S. dollars for one bull moose and a couple of Capercaille's . This includes everything but your air fare and whatever amount of scotch he drinks while there.

He will hunt one on one within thirty minutes of the lodge and will do so by calling a bull close and then they will release the dog's. That way you know the dog's are on a bull and not chasing a cow. Best time is mid Sept to mid Oct, during the rut.

You will be hunting private property, but they are 1000's of hectares. Common rifles seen are the 338 win mag and 9.3 x 62. Norma Oryx bullets or any bonded bullet will work. The Norma Oryx bullets used are ususally the 15 g or 18.5 g. It will have to be bonded bullet, as there has been accidents with other bullet's splintering when hitting the animal and injuring or killing a dog. Most lodges will furnish you a gun for Capercaille hunt's, which many times will be a combo 12 gauge/6.5 x 55 Blaser. The Capercaille's when hunted on a paid moose hunt will cost you approx 500 dollars American, but will be more if the Capercaille is the prime hunt.

That is funny what Dr Mike said. Tell him and Scotty that there is an added cost to viewing the Swedish Bikini Team, but that Jerry said it is worth the price of admission

Best Regards

Jamila

 

[Guy Miner]

Washington has a limited moose draw, odds are long though... Once in a lifetime tag. I think there are going to be more permits, as the moose population seems to be flourishing.

Guy

It will be interesting (that may not be the best word) to watch Washington's moose population if the infusion of wolves from your eastern border continue. It seems like elk numbers get the majority of the press when people talk about wolf impacts, but my observation is that moose take a huge hit as well -- I've seen areas with long tradition of high moose numbers take a nosedive with the arrival of wolves. In addition to direct predation, there's apparently some type of parasite that the wolves bring with them that can be fatal to moose when exposed (impacts similar to a "wasting disease"). Do you have a sense as to what type of management stance the State of Washington will take on wolves now that they've arrived (and continue to do so)?

It's a REALLY mixed response, and being debated in Olympia. Of course it boils down to many of the rural counties already being hard-hit by the wolves, battling the wolf lovers in Seattle, Tacoma and Olympia.

WDFW has actually shot and killed at least two entire packs that I've heard of, when they got to be too much of a problem for ranchers. On the other hand, there seems to be no progress towards allowing hunters to go after the wolves.

So yeah, it's a real mixed response here. I hope we get it figured out soon. We've had wolves right on the outskirts of my town, Wenatchee, and it really got peoples attention! Huge outdoor recreation area here with lots of cross-country skiing, mountain biking, hiking, etc... And there was the big, bad wolf killing a mule deer, very near a popular hiking trail, next to somebody's backyard fence! :shock:

Enough of the wolves, back to MOOSE! :mrgreen:

Guy

 

[Vince]

I've made my position clear in previous threads about my stance on the wolf so I'll not belabor the point.
I will just add that the Swedish Bikini Team is worth triple any gate fee you may pay. I will not discuss access and trespass fees.

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[alaska100]

I heard from mom but instead of sending this to Scotty via pm, I thought I would post it, so wisconsinhunter and others might consider Sweden for their moose hunt destination.

I qoute

Tell Scotty, that a 7 day accommodation hunt, will give him 5 full days to hunt and it will cost him right at 10,000 U.S. dollars for one bull moose and a couple of Capercaille's . This includes everything but your air fare and whatever amount of scotch he drinks while there.

He will hunt one on one within thirty minutes of the lodge and will do so by calling a bull close and then they will release the dog's. That way you know the dog's are on a bull and not chasing a cow. Best time is mid Sept to mid Oct, during the rut.

You will be hunting private property, but they are 1000's of hectares. Common rifles seen are the 338 win mag and 9.3 x 62. Norma Oryx bullets or any bonded bullet will work. The Norma Oryx bullets used are ususally the 15 g or 18.5 g. It will have to be bonded bullet, as there has been accidents with other bullet's splintering when hitting the animal and injuring or killing a dog. Most lodges will furnish you a gun for Capercaille hunt's, which many times will be a combo 12 gauge/6.5 x 55 Blaser. The Capercaille's when hunted on a paid moose hunt will cost you approx 500 dollars American, but will be more if the Capercaille is the prime hunt.

That is funny what Dr Mike said. Tell him and Scotty that there is an added cost to viewing the Swedish Bikini Team, but that Jerry said it is worth the price of admission

Best Regards

Jamila

Jamila, thank you and your mother, that is a lot of good information. Scotty, thank you for asking for it

 

[DrMike]

So, Jamila, do we have to shoot the elg in Sweden in order to watch the Swedish bikini team? :?

 

[SJB358]

That's great information J. Appreciate you and your mom taking the time to find out.

 

[wisconsinteacher]

All this talk about a bikini team is interesting. I bet if they were on the hunt, tag sales would increase.

 

[Vince]

Jamila,
Allow me to extend my belated thanks.
The talk of the Swedish Bikini Team sort of took my mind off on a tangent. I do wonder if one can transport some, if not all, of the meat back? I have Swedish friends that would make good use of it too. Before my buddy Karl immigrated here he was trying to arrange a hunt for me in Sweden. Now we will both have to go back as tourist/hunters as he's a Yank now. The cost are a little dearer than I'm willing to pay right now.

Vince

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[Vince]

Jamila, is Karl spelled, or said, Kytl in Swedish?

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[bbearhntr]

I did a DIY Alaska moose hunt in 2013. The weather royally sucked till the day we flew home. It ran me about $3500 round trip including the tag. Had I harvested one it would have cost a little more to fly it out of the bush because additional flight time would have been necessary. It was simply breath taking scenery. Hope your dream becomes a reality for you soon!

 

[Charlie-NY]

I'm flying there and back.

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We drove in a large SUV with a 4x8 enclosed trailer in tow. Several days travel including the ferry which is quite time consuming. I would love to fly in next time.

What is the anticipated cost to ship your trophy and meat back from Newfoundland?

 

[Charlie-NY]

Newfoundland is the best deal on moose with all things considered. Success rates are typically over 80% for free-ranging moose.

It is easy to fly into Deer Lake which is central to many moose hunting areas and is also convenient for getting a small plane into remote camps if that is what you want.

Driving is the way the vast majority of hunters come in and the ferry is LOADED with hunting vehicles during the moose season.

I had no problem finding a reputable outfitter for $4,000 including food for 6 days. Butchering was paid to the butcher who did a complete job including shrink wrapping several hundred pounds of meat. Butchering fees are calculated by the pound.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Washington's stance on hunting has been controlled by the tree huggers. Lately the Fish and Game has set up with input for hunters. We will see if the wolves win out or not.

 

[super-7]

It seems to me that the tree huggers are either slightly smarter then us average Joes , or maybe more dedicated. They seem to have away of infiltrating the decision making arm of government. ( Bureaucrats). Here at home it's recently come to light that a few of our fish and feather bios are staunchly anti hunter, and are going out of there way to limit hunting opportunity at every turn.
We have a huge mess right now with bighorn sheep in this province a fiasco if you will. With a anti hunting bio claiming a "genetic harm theory" by hunters harvesting only certain age groups of rams.. Scientifically it's all bunk, but he's got the bureaucrats listening and making decisions.
We also lost our general archery moose hunt for 2015 , which is also a real crock of crap. They claim bowhunters were taking over there 15% allotments in these Northern Zones. Problem is they suryved the two most populated zones and made a blanket decision on 10 other zones.
Then last year some genius figures that by handing out 700 moose tags in one zone, this was to save the depopulating woodland caribou.. You see by killing all these moose the wolves will eventually starve and move on!!!!!! I guess they forgot that maybe before they move on they may eat what's left in the area, ummm like these endangered caribou..
I mean they are smarter then us they got a peice of paper that says so!!
So one year they want every moose in 200 mile radius shot then the next year take away general archery because of an over harvest? Lets see what's wrong with this picture?
I'm sure any rancher worth his salt that has run cows and horses all his life and ma gaged to eek out a living could school these elitist university know it alls on game Managment .... But he does have a piece of paper so why listen to him. Haha Rant over!

 

[DrMike]

I won't even get into my debates with the biologist for this area a few years back. It is sufficient to note that he tried to pull the educational card in front of a group at the local sportsman's club when I informed him that I had a few letters following my name, and my letters likely trumped his. When asked for scientific norms, he was nonplussed because he had none. Reaching into a black box does nothing for demonstrating what is happening. Hate to hear what you are facing in AB; we have our own challenges here in BC. It ain't pretty, that's for sure.

 

[Oldtrader3]

I have a couple of pieces of that type of paper and letters on my name as well but nowhere on them does it claim they made me smarter?

 

[Vince]

I have the honor of having some letters behind my name but I'll make it short, sweet, and simple.
There is no tree hugging, bunny loving, granola eating, ferret biologist that I would give the time of day to.
A rancher, game warden that hunts, and others of that similar ilk are always welcome at my fire however.
As you can likely surmise, I dont suffer fools well.

Vince

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[Thankful Otter]

I found out after I left Yellowknife a few days ago that I had received the honorary title of B.I.T.C.H. I probably should get some cards printed up, as anyone with 5 letters after their name should have a business card