My 6mm rem made it in! NICE

[SJB358]

Here is Remington's latest 6mm!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =272311989

And a TI clone

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... 861085#PIC

 

[DrMike]

The new Remingtons look nice, but whether they shoot or not is somewhat in question. While they can be made to shoot, I'll take those made five or more years ago.

 

[SJB358]

The new Remingtons look nice, but whether they shoot or not is somewhat in question. While they can be made to shoot, I'll take those made five or more years ago.

Yeah, I put them up for the Remington lovers out there! Not for this kid..

Although a 6mm Rem on a M70 would be a sweet rifle I think.

 

[Hegland]

Pretty classic rifle there Fotis. Should be just about the perfect speedgoat rig for your little lady...

 

[6mm Remington]

Fotis a man after my own heart! What a nice looking rifle in the perfect varmint, deer, and antelope slayer of a cartridge! :grin: I bet those 90 gr. Accubonds when they hit the shelves, or the 90 gr. E-tips will work great. The person who owned it sure took good care of it or they used it very gently, or both.

Fotis didn't the BDL come in a 24" tube, or was that just the BDL varmint with the heavy barrel? My dad has one of those and I know it has a 24" barrel on it.

You need to get out and shoot it but from the forecast on the news it sure looks like your region might be getting hammered pretty hard.
David

 

[FOTIS]

I am not sure about the 24" barrel on the BDL

 

[efw]

Nice rifle, Fotis. I'm in the process of building one of those myself. I look forward to hearing about how she shoots!

I'm thinking Ramshot Magnum & 95 NBTs will be workin' rather nicely there...

 

[BK]

And a TI clone

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... 861085#PIC

I know I haven't gone off the deep end yet, because that seems a little steep. That being said, that rifle makes my knees weak!

 

[nvbroncrider]

And a TI clone

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... 861085#PIC

I know I haven't gone off the deep end yet, because that seems a little steep. That being said, that rifle makes my knees weak!

What a shooter though!! That's with factory rounds with junk bullets imagine a 90AB or 95 BT definately a one hole gun!

 

[257 Ackley]

And a TI clone

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... 861085#PIC

I know I haven't gone off the deep end yet, because that seems a little steep. That being said, that rifle makes my knees weak!

Kurt -
The 300WSM I have was done by this guy...they do shoot for a Remington

 

[joelkdouglas]

Nice rifle, and chambering FOTIS!

Nope - just a 700 BDL with the 22" factory barrel.

Throat is getting pretty long, but the rifle still shoots decently.

How long does the throat need to get before accuracy falls off? I realize it varies with every rifle, and some (i.e. Weatherby) have long throats to begin with. Just wondered what others had seen.

 

[joelkdouglas]

The new Remingtons look nice, but whether they shoot or not is somewhat in question. While they can be made to shoot, I'll take those made five or more years ago.

It is sad.

I think to have a high-quality rifle from the beginning you have to start with either a custom or trued action, and build from there. Unfortunately:

Action: Borden or Surgeon, or your favorite: $1000, or Rem 700 action $500 plus truing (included in some barrel maker installs)
Bottom metal: ??? I don't know if this comes with any of the actions
Barrel: Whomever you prefer, PacNor is $260 - 310, Bartlein $310, etc.
Installing barrel: PacNor $300, Bartlein about that, Mike Bryant $275
Trigger: Timney $150
Stock: $100 + tools + lots of time for a wood stock, plus checkering and shaping costs, etc.; or $500 for a McMillan

All told about $2250, or you can purchase an entire rifle that Mike Bryant has built for...$2250. Bryant's hunting rifles come with Rem 700 actions.

OR you can buy a factory rifle and hope for the best. Some of them are pretty, and some of them shoot very well. Then you can slowly replace what doesn't work well or you don't like.

 

[nvbroncrider]

The new Remingtons look nice, but whether they shoot or not is somewhat in question. While they can be made to shoot, I'll take those made five or more years ago.

It is sad.

I think to have a high-quality rifle from the beginning you have to start with either a custom or trued action, and build from there. Unfortunately:

Action: Borden or Surgeon, or your favorite: $1000, or Rem 700 action $500 plus truing (included in some barrel maker installs)
Bottom metal: ??? I don't know if this comes with any of the actions
Barrel: Whomever you prefer, PacNor is $260 - 310, Bartlein $310, etc.
Installing barrel: PacNor $300, Bartlein about that, Mike Bryant $275
Trigger: Timney $150
Stock: $100 + tools + lots of time for a wood stock, plus checkering and shaping costs, etc.; or $500 for a McMillan

All told about $2250, or you can purchase an entire rifle that Mike Bryant has built for...$2250. Bryant's hunting rifles come with Rem 700 actions.

OR you can buy a factory rifle and hope for the best. Some of them are pretty, and some of them shoot very well. Then you can slowly replace what doesn't work well or you don't like.

I'm into mine $200 for the jewell $525 for action and metal $710 for Pac-Nor SMSS fluted and $275 for an Accublock stock. So its marginal at best. Total is $1710.

 

[Guest]

There are factory rifles that shoot, that don't wear a little capital R on them. I've got two bone stock Weatherby synthetics that are excellent. One of them is consistently 1" with several loads during load workup, but I haven't tweaked or chased that one yet. The other is my 270Wby, and it's spectacularly accurate and consistent, shooting several loads into sub-half-moa groups of three at varying yardages, and one load occasionally (but often enough not to be a fluke) into sub-caliber-sized groups at 100yds. That's three shots less than .277" center to center. I can't imagine a custom job is going to do much better. I've got a Colt Light rifle in 30-06 that puts three shots into half-moa triangles at varying yardages, as well. That's also a factory stock rifle with no modifications except good cleaning and adjusting the trigger a bit to get it to my liking.

I'm not saying all factory rifles will shoot well, but I can tell you that Weatherby rifles (including the Vanguard line) will do it routinely. And that's across maybe 20-25 rifles bought off the shelf at various retailers around the southeast, for which I've actually be present during range sessions. I hear people say that Browning rifles are accurate out of the box, and I've heard that about Savage, as well. Scotty and Dr. Mike say their Winchesters are plenty accurate out of the box, and I have reason to trust them both.

While a custom rifle in the $2200 class of gun is certainly a nice rifle, it's not a required piece of equipment to shoot good groups. You just can't do it with very many modern Remmies. For the record, I picked up both the Mark V's in my safe as great deals, but one can certainly get into a Mark V in excellent condition, plus a terrific scope, for around $1000-1500. Or, a Vanguard can be had for $650-1000, wearing a good to terrific scope and possibly transplanted into an aftermarket "drop-in" stock, or left in the factory stock.

 

[joelkdouglas]

I'm into mine $200 for the jewell $525 for action and metal $710 for Pac-Nor SMSS fluted and $275 for an Accublock stock. So its marginal at best. Total is $1710.

How do you like the Accublock stock? They look sharp.

I've considered putting a 6 PPC into the Target version.

 

[joelkdouglas]

There are factory rifles that shoot, that don't wear a little capital R on them. I've got two bone stock Weatherby synthetics that are excellent. One of them is consistently 1" with several loads during load workup, but I haven't tweaked or chased that one yet. The other is my 270Wby, and it's spectacularly accurate and consistent, shooting several loads into sub-half-moa groups of three at varying yardages, and one load occasionally (but often enough not to be a fluke) into sub-caliber-sized groups at 100yds. That's three shots less than .277" center to center. I can't imagine a custom job is going to do much better. I've got a Colt Light rifle in 30-06 that puts three shots into half-moa triangles at varying yardages, as well. That's also a factory stock rifle with no modifications except good cleaning and adjusting the trigger a bit to get it to my liking.

I'm not saying all factory rifles will shoot well, but I can tell you that Weatherby rifles (including the Vanguard line) will do it routinely. And that's across maybe 20-25 rifles bought off the shelf at various retailers around the southeast, for which I've actually be present during range sessions. I hear people say that Browning rifles are accurate out of the box, and I've heard that about Savage, as well. Scotty and Dr. Mike say their Winchesters are plenty accurate out of the box, and I have reason to trust them both.

While a custom rifle in the $2200 class of gun is certainly a nice rifle, it's not a required piece of equipment to shoot good groups. You just can't do it with very many modern Remmies. For the record, I picked up both the Mark V's in my safe as great deals, but one can certainly get into a Mark V in excellent condition, plus a terrific scope, for around $1000-1500. Or, a Vanguard can be had for $650-1000, wearing a good to terrific scope and possibly transplanted into an aftermarket "drop-in" stock, or left in the factory stock.

I certainly agree you don't need a custom rifle to shoot good groups. And I'm a big Remington fan, but just my opinion is the first thing you need to do when you get one is throw the plastic stock away, if you got one. Probably second would be to replace the trigger. Then see what you've got. It's a shame that Remington couldn't do all that stuff on their own, and sell a high-quality product.

Mine (700 BDL) would shoot good groups, but it would shoot them often to different POI, and that was frustrating. So now the barrel is getting replaced. It was good enough to kill deer and elk, but not good enough not to be frustrating. What I want is a rifle to be boringly predictable.

I believe you about the Weatherby rifles; I've never shot one. I also believe Winchester and Savage are making good stuff right now; just a shame Remington isn't seeming to give them much competition. I would like to see all the factories making great stuff, all at the same time.

 

[Guy Miner]

I haven't bought a new Remington since 2004 (how the heck did that get to be 8 years ago?) but that 700 CDL shoots pretty good as issued by Remington. Sure has put antlers on the wall consistently.

A buddy got a brand new Rem 700 in .270 last year, and that doggone thing shoots factory ammo into 3/4" groups at 100 yards easily enough. He hardly knows anything about rifles, shooting or hunting either... It's got one of those funky two-tone plastic stocks that I don't really like, but it does seem to be much stronger and stiffer than the older synthetic stocks. The new trigger was pretty crisp too, I have to admit. He got a good looking, good shooting rifle.

We put a new .308 700 LTR (Light Tactical Rifle) into service with the SWAT team a few years ago. I sighted it in. Dang... The little rascal is a hammer with 168 gr Federal match ammo. Even with the 20" barrel, it easily dings targets at 700 & 800 yards, as well as producing good results at 100 yards. That one and my friend's new .270 both have the Mark X trigger - and both are pretty good - not great but good.

Can't say I like where Remington has gone with their new GIANT recoil pads on the otherwise classic looking 700 CDL series, but the few new Remington rifles I've seen in action have all worked perfectly and shot well. Beats me.

Still - these days if I was choosing one or the other, I'd likely go with one of those FN/Winchester 70's... Something just plain RIGHT about them!

Guy

 

[Guest]

My last experience with Remington was not as good as yours, Guy. I had a 7mm that was woefully poor. The chamber had a shoulder that was noticeably longer than spec (to the naked eye) and the rifle shot poorly for groups and for velocity. Best I could muster velocity-wise was 2800fps with 160gr Accubonds (through a 26" barrel, no less). Or I could get 2650fps out of 175gr Spitzers. The straw that broke the camel's back was the constant failure to feed with more than one round in the chamber. I tried different followers, springs, and mag boxes. Finally decided the action itself was screwy, as the feed lips are part of the action and that was the problem. Sold it to a gunsmith with full disclusure. I believe he was going to switch it to an aftermarket drop-box magazine, which would alleviate the whole problem of feeding. He was going to rebarrel it, too, so that should have fixed the problems with accuracy/velocity. Overall, it was a dismal experience and not one I intend to repeat.

My 700 Classic in 8x57 (the 2004 Classic edition) is a good rifle. It's not stellar in the accuracy department, turning in groups consistently .9-1.1" in measure, but it is consistent and it does handle well. It took a decent deer this year, too. But it's really still indicative of what is "acceptable" at Remington, even as far back as 2004. I broke this one in with some mild 185gr Core-Lokt loads, running around 2550-2650fps, and it performed moderately well, hovering around 1.5". When I got down to load work in earnest, the 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tips turned in the aforementioned, consistent .9-1.1" groups. They still do. For comparison, I've also picked up several other new rifles since 2004 when I bought that 700. All of them are more accurate rifles than the 700. That's a real shame, too. I like Remington, but they're digging their own grave at this point, IMO.

 

[FOTIS]

I had an Lss a few years back. It was in 300 RUM.
I called them to return it due to the fact that I could not get less than 2" group at 100 yards....no matter what! And I am not a stranger to the 300 RUM

They said that is within acceptable parameters. So I traded it....

That did it.

 

[Guy Miner]

Do you guys suppose the quality really slipped after Remington was purchased by Cerebrus?

(If I got that name right)

I know any gun maker can have QC issues, but it sure seems like Remington has a bunch of them anymore - as does Marlin, now owned by Remington.

It's funny - I actually bought my 700 CDL in '04 or '05 because I'd had a string of Model 70's that simply weren't working out. A beautiful walnut & blued steel .25-06 that sprayed bullets, a 7mm Rem mag that shot slow velocities with poor accuracy and a .300 Win mag with mediocre accuracy and an overall "clunky" feel to it... So I went back to what I knew from the 1970's - Remington. And the 700 CDL worked. But dang, the stories today...

Seems things have switched around!