New load work up for hunting rifle

[cjmac]

I’ve spent way too much of my life cleaning rifle barrels. Best way to avoid carbon build up is to avoid carbon build up. My opinion Boreteck eliminator is a pretty good product. I have gone thru a couple of 16 oz bottles in the last year. The other Bore Teck Products are redundant and I recently got rid of a bottle of Carbon remover and what was left of a small bottle of copper remover.
The eliminator will certainly slow your carbon build up and does a good job with copper, but I don’t want to spend that much time scrubbing carbon. If I want to get to bare metal I was adding Isso to the brush along with eliminator as a carrier. Run that thru the bore 5 or 10 times and you’ll be amazed how dark it gets.
Couple months ago I saw Carbout sitting on the shelf at my local gun store. It was expensive but it does work, even being retired my time has value. Compared to anything else I’ve tried it is a good value.
I clean guns when Catherine has me busy on the farm. Set the rifle up give it a good soaking with Bore Teck. Go mow the lawn or fire up the chain saw or wash a couple windows, till the bottom pasture-what ever my lovely bride needs done. Walk thru the shop periodically and run two or three patches thru the rifle and let it soak.
Some times over night, bore teck you don’t have to worry about.
When I have a little time to devote to the rifle I’ll pull out the Carbout and finish the barrel off. I don’t think I want to leave carb out soaking for too long. It does work.
Witches brew is recommended by Pac Nor for cleaning during the recommended break in process. I havn’t tried it yet but may on my next re=barrel.

I do have some Boreteck eliminator. Might try that again , let it sit for a bit . I ordered a bore scope should ve here tomorrow sometime. That should tell me a lot. Barrel might be nasty for all i know . But its getting a new scope regardless as I think this one might going bad .

 

[JD338]

I also use BoreTech on our rifles. It works very well and doesn’t stink up the house!

In my 308 I get excellent speed and accuracy with Varget for 150, 165-168 and 180 gr bullets.
For the 150 and 165-168 gr, 46.0 grs is the ticket.

JD338

 

[cjmac]

I also use BoreTech on our rifles. It works very well and doesn’t stink up the house!

In my 308 I get excellent speed and accuracy with Varget for 150, 165-168 and 180 gr bullets.
For the 150 and 165-168 gr, 46.0 grs is the ticket.

JD338

My wifes ruger 308 seems to like 45gr with a 150 .. if i remember right mine at 45gr didnt do so good

 

[JD338]

My wifes ruger 308 seems to like 45gr with a 150 .. if i remember right mine at 45gr didnt do so good

My Nosler M21 308 shot pretty good at 45.0 grs but even better at 46.0 for both 150 gr BT and 165-168 gr BT and ABLR. All shoot well under .5 MOA.

JD338

 

[cjmac]

My Nosler M21 308 shot pretty good at 45.0 grs but even better at 46.0 for both 150 gr BT and 165-168 gr BT and ABLR. All shoot well under .5 MOA.

JD338

Maby this 43gr load was never that good then lol I will try 44 , 44.5 and 45gr
45 or 46 grains is getting close to the max in my book

 

[Blkram]

I thought I read an article not too long ago that talked about IMR 4064 being the the powder that was used for match ammo in the 308 Win...not entirely sure on that...and if that was with the 168 gr match bullets. (Read in passing as I don't handload for the cartridge, but always interesting to learn what the benchrest crowd uses for accuracy.) Others here more knowledgeable about the 308 can correct me if I am not recalling it right.
If correct; Might be another powder to try in your rifle.

 

[cjmac]

I thought I read an article not too long ago that talked about IMR 4064 being the the powder that was used for match ammo in the 308 Win...not entirely sure on that...and if that was with the 168 gr match bullets. (Read in passing as I don't handload for the cartridge, but always interesting to learn what the benchrest crowd uses for accuracy.) Others here more knowledgeable about the 308 can correct me if I am not recalling it right.
If correct; Might be another powder to try in your rifle.

That is correct 4064 is an excellent powder in 308 with 168 grain or 175 grain match King unfortunately it is what is used in all military and law enforcement so it has been unavailable for many years now very little bit of it trickles out to the public anymore. Varget he's pretty close in the burn rate and is supposedly more temperature stable

 

[cjmac]

My custom Tika loves 42.5gr Varget with a 168 gr matchking

 

[sako2]

Might want to try staball match.

 

[cjmac]

Might want to try staball match.

Thought about trying that in my new BAR MK4 in just bought. I called hogdon and asked about powders for semiautomatic rifle. He said varget would work and be clean burning i just worry about it making the rifle function properly?
it would be easy metering than a stick powder ... question is how temperature sensitive is it ?. Thats why I like varget

 

[salmonchaser]

I ran Varget in my Duty M1A with 168 match kings. I no longer have that log book but believe I stuck with 46 grains. I retired 15 years ago so don’t quote me on that. Regardless, it functioned fine and was very accurate out of that National Match Rifle. I never tried 4064 although I keep some on hand always for my 06 and 150gr. Ballistic tips. What I did find was I could duplicate velocity and accuracy of Federal Gold Medal Match out to 500 yards in various bolt actions with Varget. I loaded 1,000 plus rounds of 308 a year, and used another 1000 of tax payer provided. I found it to be forgiving and in 4 different bolt actions and one semi-auto never had trouble getting one moa or better out of the guns.
Most of my rounds were fired 300 yards and In but twice a year I would shoot at Ft. Lewis 1,000 yard range.
We sold Catherines 308 this year as she has developed an affinity for my 275 Rigby #1. Apparently I’ll be taking her rifle elk hunting next week.

 

[cjmac]

I ran Varget in my Duty M1A with 168 match kings. I no longer have that log book but believe I stuck with 46 grains. I retired 15 years ago so don’t quote me on that. Regardless, it functioned fine and was very accurate out of that National Match Rifle. I never tried 4064 although I keep some on hand always for my 06 and 150gr. Ballistic tips. What I did find was I could duplicate velocity and accuracy of Federal Gold Medal Match out to 500 yards in various bolt actions with Varget. I loaded 1,000 plus rounds of 308 a year, and used another 1000 of tax payer provided. I found it to be forgiving and in 4 different bolt actions and one semi-auto never had trouble getting one moa or better out of the guns.
Most of my rounds were fired 300 yards and In but twice a year I would shoot at Ft. Lewis 1,000 yard range.
We sold Catherines 308 this year as she has developed an affinity for my 275 Rigby #1. Apparently I’ll be taking her rifle elk hunting next week.

I reqlly like varget cause it seems forgiving in the 308 . Can shoot tha same charge all year and have found the same loads are fairly accurate in most rifle i have for hunting rifles anyway.. iv never loaded for a automatic before so not sure what im looking for or if its functioning like it should ?I know most commercial ammo iv torn apart was some kimda ball powder. Which is why I was tempted to try the Winchester staball match. It Would meter easy in a powder thrower. I know Browning automatics are not exactly tack drivers so again if it's one and a half inch at 100 that's fine for deer

 

[salmonchaser]

Most the old gun writers like O’Conner thought 1 1/2 was perfectly adequate and note worthy. When I went to my first advanced sniper course we were required to have a rifle that could shoot 1moa. Most only occasionally achieved that mark during the two week course. 1 1/2 is fine out of a BAR. Any better and you scored a good one.

 

[JD338]

IMR4064 works well in my 308 with 150 and 165 gr bullets but Varget gives me better accuracy and speed.

JD338

 

[Wolfshead]

For my 308, my rifle likes 46 grains of Varget as well when shooting the 150 Accubonds.

 

[xphunter]

Varget and H-4895 are the two powders I use for 308 Win's, whether short, sub 16" or 30 inch barrels.
Factory Remington barrel chopped on my center grip XP-100 (H-4895 with 155 and 172's - Easily sub 1/2" MOA)

155's off of a bipod both times (100 yards and 500 yards on steel).

My F-TR Rifle at 600 yards with a called flier at the shot (Varget with 200 grain Hybrids).

Dan shooting it in cold weather.

 

[RL338]

It used to shoot 43gr varget with sierra btsp pretty good . Then all the sudden it dont anymore

How bad did it go? If it went from 1moa to 3 , then the scope would be suspect.
Carbon rings are a bugger to remove especially if you allow them to grow to the point you realize you have a problem. In stainless barrels a little “green juice” keeps them at bay. This is a no-no in blued barrels.