Wincheringen
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I'd be using them in my 350 Rem Mag or 35 Short Whelen. 
News for the 35 Whelen owners:)
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The advantage of the 200gr AB in something like the 350RemMag is its ability to fit in the short (2.8") magazine in Remington rifles. I'm doubtful the 225gr AB would fit, though the 225gr Sierra just fits, and it's only .075" shorter than the AccuBond, I believe. I'm not sure on that measurement, but I think that's right. I know the AccuBond is 1.375" long as per Nosler's specs. If the 225gr AB would fit in the 2.8" magazine, the 200 would be a moot point. It's just one more option, I guess, having the 200gr available. I'm sure the 358Win can take good advantage of the slightly lighter bullet weight to push some velocity and add a little range. The guys with BLRs are probably happy about that.
I suspect the short action 358Win/350RemMag is the primary reason the 200gr AB was brought to market.
I suspect the short action 358Win/350RemMag is the primary reason the 200gr AB was brought to market.
Wincheringen
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I have a Ruger so I can shoot the 225 AB, availability is the problem. I'd have to order everything. I can get my local guy to put whatever bullets I want on his regular order to save on shipping though. I just gotta do it!
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Might work well in the 338 Federal as well ! what do ya think :?:
Cheers RJ
Cheers RJ
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I dunno', Jim, a .358 calibre bullet in a .338 bore could make for some interesting ballistics. :shock:
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DrMike":3t7w7f45 said:
The powder silly ! LOL Pressure might go over the top with the 20 thou bigger bullet you think :?:
Cheers RJ
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Fotis, I am not sure the 200 AB isn't too long for those two. Can't remember the details, but I think we asked and the ogive on the 200 is the same as the 225 therefore it won't work any better for use 35 cal short guys either? Not sure...
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Scott it is not. It is shorter than the 225 Sierra BT and I have used that bullet in all the 35 shorties. :wink:
I'll probably get taken to task for this.. but one of the things I actually have come to love about the 35s is that bullet selection is manageable.
In 22/6mm/7mm/30 It can be a little daunting. Sure, maybe I find a load that works great, but I'm the sort that will then buy another box in that caliber just to try it out. I think I'm sitting on 15 or so boxes of assorted 6mm bullets when I have one .243!
On the 35, I have a small number of very well designed bullets that will handle everything I could ever point my bore at. There are far less options, so the obsessive amongst us aren't constantly working up new loads.
PS - Just finished my first hand loaded 225 accubonds last night. If the weather holds, I'll get to put them downrange tomorrow!
In 22/6mm/7mm/30 It can be a little daunting. Sure, maybe I find a load that works great, but I'm the sort that will then buy another box in that caliber just to try it out. I think I'm sitting on 15 or so boxes of assorted 6mm bullets when I have one .243!
On the 35, I have a small number of very well designed bullets that will handle everything I could ever point my bore at. There are far less options, so the obsessive amongst us aren't constantly working up new loads.
PS - Just finished my first hand loaded 225 accubonds last night. If the weather holds, I'll get to put them downrange tomorrow!
OK on a nother site AK sportmen there was a link to here on Noslers site posted by Nosler that the 200AB was wholy unsuited for the 358win and 350rem and would not work. Being too long to fit in their short chambers.
If that needs too be retracked please do it its is costing nosler sales of this bullet.
If that needs too be retracked please do it its is costing nosler sales of this bullet.
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Well, after tjen's comments, I did some searching here on the forum, and then called Nosler to confirm. The official word is, the 200gr AccuBond will not work in the 2.8" mag box of the Remington short action, for all the 350RemMag shooters out there, due to the ogive length. I'm assuming that means the round will be longer than 2.8" with the 200gr AB seated to the ogive, but I'm not entirely sure. I am not as well versed on the magazine box length on the 358Win in other rifles (e.g. - the BLR, Ruger 77) so I can't comment on that.
With that knowledge in hand, I will just say that I can't for the life of me imagine what Nosler was thinking in terms of this bullet. I'm not in the bullet business, and Nosler's been wildly successful over the years, but this one stumps me beyond my ability to figure out the puzzle. This bullet is only useful in the long action 35's, none of which are well served by a short, light for caliber, relatively low BC bullet compared to the 225-250gr offerings. I'm just not sure people buy a 35Whelen of 358Norma in order to try to shoot (relatively) light, fast bullets at lighter game. It's a puzzler.
I guess for the folks with 358's and 350's, it's all Partition or Speer/Sierra/Barnes/Hornady bullets? Seems like a lost opportunity to make a 200gr that isn't suitable for these short action rounds. Hmmm...
With that knowledge in hand, I will just say that I can't for the life of me imagine what Nosler was thinking in terms of this bullet. I'm not in the bullet business, and Nosler's been wildly successful over the years, but this one stumps me beyond my ability to figure out the puzzle. This bullet is only useful in the long action 35's, none of which are well served by a short, light for caliber, relatively low BC bullet compared to the 225-250gr offerings. I'm just not sure people buy a 35Whelen of 358Norma in order to try to shoot (relatively) light, fast bullets at lighter game. It's a puzzler.
I guess for the folks with 358's and 350's, it's all Partition or Speer/Sierra/Barnes/Hornady bullets? Seems like a lost opportunity to make a 200gr that isn't suitable for these short action rounds. Hmmm...
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My guess? Reduced recoil loads.
If you're looking at elk/moose/bear, it makes no sense. But if you want a 200 yard whitetail gun for the woods, or something to clear off hogs from a field, a lightly loaded 200g would be a joy to shoot. I actually bought a box of 200g hornady SPs for mine, just to make a light loading out of them.
A bonded bullet with a profile suitable for the 358/350's and if it were my choice 220grs would be perfect to utilze current powders for a velocity of 2450-2550 fps would capture a solid 300 yard capability for the 358 and the 350rem would be much better as would any larger 35 cartridge.
If it would keep cost down the tip is not needed as long as the terminal performance is still there.
I have to admint my 35 whelen has taken a back seat to my 700/358win because it carries so well. The whelen was 3 for 3 bang flaps on white tail bucks then I had the 358win made on the 700 short action. At the velocity of 2670 fps I can say there was no excisive damage to the meat and thats why I love the medium bore at medium velocities. Thats was with Rem 200gr CL PSP (the old bullets) have not used the new pointier CL PSP.
I love Nosler bullets I just wished they made a bullet precisley for every one of my choose cartridges. (35rem/358win) my 35Whelen/270win/223/221 are pretty much coverd. Well may be a 45gr .224" for the 221FB.
If it would keep cost down the tip is not needed as long as the terminal performance is still there.
I have to admint my 35 whelen has taken a back seat to my 700/358win because it carries so well. The whelen was 3 for 3 bang flaps on white tail bucks then I had the 358win made on the 700 short action. At the velocity of 2670 fps I can say there was no excisive damage to the meat and thats why I love the medium bore at medium velocities. Thats was with Rem 200gr CL PSP (the old bullets) have not used the new pointier CL PSP.
I love Nosler bullets I just wished they made a bullet precisley for every one of my choose cartridges. (35rem/358win) my 35Whelen/270win/223/221 are pretty much coverd. Well may be a 45gr .224" for the 221FB.
tjen":2ynev6ak said:
This projectile already exists ... its called a Woodleigh 225gr PP. I too wish Nosler would fix this oversight in its 200gr AccuBond as I have x2 358Win rifles to feed. The 200gr AB will probably get a run in my 358Norma, but to be honest I prefer more weight in that cartridge.
Cheers...
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Rugers have a 3.00" magazine box, so the 200 AB would work in those.
You forgot the COST issue, Nosler does make a great 225gr for the 358/350. Some of us would like a more cost effective bullet as well. Bonding is not even needed for the 358"/225gr bullet but Nosler has the AB that is cheaper we just need one made for the 358win. And a 200gr FP for the trusty 35REM too.
Woodlieghs and North fork are realy expensive, and Hawks compare with PT's but can not be pushed as fast as gliuding metal jackets.
Its realy up to Nosler AB, Hornady IL, Speer DC, or Rem CL to make a cost effective 220-225gr bullet for the 358win and 350rem.
Woodlieghs and North fork are realy expensive, and Hawks compare with PT's but can not be pushed as fast as gliuding metal jackets.
Its realy up to Nosler AB, Hornady IL, Speer DC, or Rem CL to make a cost effective 220-225gr bullet for the 358win and 350rem.
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I've been spending a lot of time considering what bullets are appropriate for the short action 35s. In addition to the bullets listed by tjen, you can throw in the 220 & 250gr Speer Hot-Cor. I think from a cost-benefit perspective, its tough to beat these two.
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