optimum velocity for 180's in the 30-06

ReloadKy

Handloader
May 13, 2020
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First I am not a speed freak, I know a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 will kill about anything. However, I always like to try and load to optimum performance. I am not experienced with the 180's in the 30-06. What velocity should I try to shoot for to load the 180 E Tips in my 24 inch tube 30-06? Powders I plan to try are Staball 6.5, H4350, IMR 4451, possibly RL23.
 
With Nosler Partitions, 2800 fps works fine using H4350, from my Remington with a 24" barrel.

The E-Tips throw an unknown into it for me though. They're different and I've done little load development with them.

Perhaps Dr Mike or someone can run a quickload?

Guy
 
If it were me and you wanted to use the E-tip, I would step down a notch to the 168 gr. E-tip. You will be able to load it a bit faster which will in turn make it more effective at longer distances. The E-tips don't lose much weight so you can use a lighter bullet and expect a lot better penetration than a bonded or cup & core bullet. At least in my experience.

My son shoots 90 gr. E-tips in his 6mm Remington and he's taken a few antelope, a nice mule deer buck, and a large cow elk at 350 yards. All were one shot kills. The bullet on his elk exited her off side right in the middle of her shoulder. Pretty impressive.

Powder choices look good. I'd include IMR4350 in the mix.
 
6mm Remington":31pjoq6j said:
If it were me and you wanted to use the E-tip, I would step down a notch to the 168 gr. E-tip. You will be able to load it a bit faster which will in turn make it more effective at longer distances. The E-tips don't lose much weight so you can use a lighter bullet and expect a lot better penetration than a bonded or cup & core bullet. At least in my experience.

My son shoots 90 gr. E-tips in his 6mm Remington and he's taken a few antelope, a nice mule deer buck, and a large cow elk at 350 yards. All were one shot kills. The bullet on his elk exited her off side right in the middle of her shoulder. Pretty impressive.

Powder choices look good. I'd include IMR4350 in the mix.
David nailed it.

JD338
 
Code:
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler E-Tip  59180
Useable Case Capaci: 56.718 grain H2O = 3.683 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   95    48.60   2452    2403   42783   7810     93.4    1.362
-09.0   96    49.14   2478    2455   44148   7903     93.9    1.343
-08.0   97    49.68   2505    2507   45559   7994     94.3    1.325
-07.0   98    50.22   2531    2560   47017   8084     94.8    1.306
-06.0   99    50.76   2557    2614   48526   8171     95.2    1.288
-05.0  100    51.30   2584    2668   50086   8255     95.6    1.269
-04.0  101    51.84   2610    2723   51699   8338     96.0    1.251  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  102    52.38   2636    2778   53361   8418     96.3    1.234  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  103    52.92   2663    2833   55074   8496     96.7    1.217  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  105    53.46   2689    2890   56841   8570     97.0    1.200  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  106    54.00   2715    2947   58666   8643     97.3    1.183  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  107    54.54   2741    3004   60555   8712     97.6    1.167  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  108    55.08   2768    3062   62511   8779     97.9    1.151  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  109    55.62   2794    3120   64537   8843     98.2    1.135  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  110    56.16   2820    3179   66635   8903     98.4    1.119  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  111    56.70   2846    3238   68809   8961     98.7    1.104  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    106    54.00   2836    3215   69221   8549     99.9    1.104  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    106    54.00   2556    2611   48407   8342     91.2    1.285

Code:
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler E-Tip  59180
Useable Case Capaci: 56.718 grain H2O = 3.683 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59250 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

3 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              110.8     62.3     4.03    2912    99.8    59250   10323   1.148  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       111.2     60.7     3.93    2871    98.1    59250   10217   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               100.8     55.3     3.58    2861   100.0    59250    9197   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C               103.5     57.6     3.74    2844    99.5    59250    9616   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            99.9     54.8     3.55    2842   100.0    59250    9149   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T               99.9     54.8     3.55    2842   100.0    59250    9149   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T               104.8     53.4     3.46    2823    99.9    59250    9125   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           104.8     53.4     3.46    2823    99.9    59250    9125   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 112.0     59.8     3.88    2821    94.2    57863   10107   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       107.4     55.8     3.62    2821   100.0    59250    8725   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T               112.0     57.4     3.72    2817    99.9    58049    9300   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  103.6     56.8     3.68    2812    99.7    59250    9220   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.5     59.4     3.85    2809    94.7    59250    9779   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              112.0     59.2     3.84    2802    96.3    57010    9841   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                    112.0     59.2     3.84    2802    96.3    57010    9841   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       112.0     59.2     3.84    2802    96.3    57010    9841   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                105.5     57.0     3.69    2801    98.6    59250    9348   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                101.3     56.4     3.66    2800    98.9    59250    9305   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     104.7     56.5     3.66    2799    98.8    59250    9291   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     62.3     4.03    2795    92.0    56964   10026   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        111.3     58.8     3.81    2793    94.5    59250    9667   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      98.8     54.6     3.54    2790    98.2    59250    9247   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        98.8     54.6     3.54    2790    98.2    59250    9247   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              109.1     57.1     3.70    2787    96.6    59250    9406   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     111.9     63.7     4.13    2785    96.8    59250    9431   1.158  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       104.2     53.9     3.49    2785    99.7    59250    8965   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         104.2     53.9     3.49    2784    99.7    59250    8963   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 101.1     54.0     3.50    2783    99.6    59250    9075   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      103.6     54.2     3.51    2783    99.7    59250    8948   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         109.9     57.4     3.72    2779    96.5    59250    9331   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        108.1     56.2     3.64    2778    96.3    59250    9304   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        101.4     53.0     3.43    2775    99.4    59250    8909   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           109.4     54.8     3.55    2768    99.8    59250    8774   1.184  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          106.7     55.8     3.61    2760    96.2    59250    9120   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        106.7     55.8     3.61    2760    96.2    59250    9120   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       103.3     55.8     3.61    2760    96.2    59250    9120   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       109.5     57.9     3.75    2757    97.5    59250    9046   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                107.1     54.2     3.51    2753   100.0    59250    8256   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T           112.0     57.3     3.71    2747   100.0    52775    9064   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP36 ZT *C *T               112.0     57.3     3.71    2747   100.0    52775    9064   1.218  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation    104.2     55.3     3.58    2745    97.9    59250    8887   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                109.8     58.1     3.76    2742    93.9    59250    9083   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          96.3     50.9     3.30    2737   100.0    59250    8313   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       96.3     50.9     3.30    2737   100.0    59250    8313   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             107.3     59.1     3.83    2734    96.2    59250    8878   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        95.7     51.1     3.31    2733    99.5    59250    8596   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       98.5     50.9     3.30    2730   100.0    59250    8241   1.200  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         103.2     53.4     3.46    2730    98.3    59250    8753   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              103.2     53.4     3.46    2730    98.3    59250    8753   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      112.0     58.1     3.77    2728    93.4    55256    9324   1.201  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        98.4     50.3     3.26    2724   100.0    59250    8247   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      107.2     55.3     3.58    2722    95.0    59250    8806   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  112.0     62.5     4.05    2722    93.4    53619    9700   1.207  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      112.0     58.6     3.79    2722    98.5    56666    8838   1.214  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        112.0     57.9     3.75    2718    94.9    51856    9595   1.231  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     112.0     57.9     3.75    2718    94.9    51856    9595   1.231  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                112.0     62.5     4.05    2716    93.2    53327    9691   1.210  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              110.8     56.4     3.65    2711    94.3    59250    8813   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          101.8     52.1     3.38    2710    99.0    59250    8467   1.195  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         101.8     52.1     3.38    2710    99.0    59250    8467   1.195  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          91.3     49.2     3.19    2706   100.0    59250    7774   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        91.3     49.2     3.19    2706   100.0    59250    7774   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    90.3     50.6     3.28    2704    99.4    59250    8280   1.196  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       95.9     49.1     3.18    2702   100.0    59250    7759   1.223  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      100.5     51.6     3.34    2701    97.5    59250    8536   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         100.5     51.6     3.34    2701    97.5    59250    8536   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        97.3     51.6     3.34    2701    97.5    59250    8529   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       105.9     59.0     3.82    2686    93.9    59250    8578   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 *T                   112.0     56.9     3.69    2681    92.8    55080    8895   1.205  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       90.2     46.1     2.99    2678   100.0    59250    7442   1.231  ! Near Maximum !
 
Code:
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon H4350 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   96    50.40   2536    2400   42252   7971     92.4    1.324
-09.0   97    50.96   2564    2453   43643   8069     92.9    1.305
-08.0   98    51.52   2592    2506   45074   8165     93.4    1.286
-07.0   99    52.08   2620    2561   46565   8260     93.9    1.267
-06.0  101    52.64   2648    2615   48106   8351     94.4    1.249
-05.0  102    53.20   2676    2671   49699   8441     94.8    1.230
-04.0  103    53.76   2704    2727   51349   8528     95.2    1.213  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  104    54.32   2732    2783   53057   8613     95.7    1.195  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    54.88   2760    2841   54828   8695     96.0    1.178  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    55.44   2787    2898   56656   8774     96.4    1.161  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    56.00   2815    2957   58543   8851     96.8    1.145  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  108    56.56   2843    3016   60493   8924     97.1    1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  109    57.12   2871    3075   62513   8995     97.4    1.112  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  110    57.68   2899    3135   64607   9063     97.7    1.097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  111    58.24   2927    3196   66778   9127     98.0    1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  112    58.80   2955    3257   69030   9188     98.3    1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    56.00   2946    3238   69353   8805     99.8    1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    56.00   2645    2609   48137   8494     90.2    1.246

Code:
Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59250 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 *C              112.0     64.5     4.18    3008    99.5    58794   10605   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T               102.2     57.4     3.72    2969   100.0    59250    9504   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       112.0     62.6     4.05    2952    97.3    57855   10407   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T              101.3     56.9     3.69    2950   100.0    59250    9456   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           101.3     56.9     3.69    2950   100.0    59250    9456   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C               104.8     59.8     3.87    2946    99.2    59250    9882   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       109.0     58.0     3.76    2932   100.0    59250    9022   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T           106.3     55.4     3.59    2930    99.8    59250    9418   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T               106.3     55.4     3.59    2930    99.8    59250    9418   1.117  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  105.2     59.0     3.82    2920    99.4    59250    9500   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                102.7     58.6     3.80    2905    98.5    59250    9553   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       111.9     61.5     3.99    2905    93.8    59250    9962   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                106.9     59.1     3.83    2905    98.2    59250    9590   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     106.1     58.7     3.80    2904    98.4    59250    9538   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     100.2     56.7     3.68    2896    97.7    59250    9496   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       100.2     56.7     3.68    2896    97.7    59250    9496   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                       105.7     56.0     3.63    2892    99.5    59250    9240   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         105.7     56.0     3.63    2892    99.5    59250    9237   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      105.2     56.3     3.65    2891    99.5    59250    9232   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C                 102.6     56.1     3.64    2891    99.4    59250    9347   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C              110.5     59.2     3.83    2888    95.9    59250    9616   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                        102.9     55.1     3.57    2882    99.1    59250    9174   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         111.3     59.6     3.86    2880    95.9    59250    9536   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T               112.0     58.8     3.81    2878    99.6    54694    9535   1.178  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        109.5     58.3     3.78    2877    95.6    59250    9504   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 112.0     61.3     3.97    2875    92.6    55131   10160   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           111.0     56.9     3.69    2875    99.6    59250    9047   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        112.0     60.6     3.93    2871    93.3    58129    9791   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                108.6     56.3     3.65    2861   100.0    59250    8537   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        108.1     57.8     3.75    2861    95.6    59250    9323   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                       104.6     57.8     3.75    2861    95.6    59250    9323   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          108.1     57.8     3.75    2861    95.6    59250    9323   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       111.0     60.1     3.89    2860    97.0    59250    9266   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       112.0     60.6     3.93    2857    94.9    54238    9926   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              112.0     60.6     3.93    2857    94.9    54238    9926   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                    112.0     60.6     3.93    2857    94.9    54238    9926   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation    105.6     57.4     3.72    2848    97.3    59250    9108   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       97.8     52.9     3.43    2847   100.0    59250    8606   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          97.8     52.9     3.43    2847   100.0    59250    8606   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    112.0     63.7     4.13    2845    90.3    54132   10048   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      100.1     53.0     3.43    2840   100.0    59250    8534   1.159  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        97.1     53.1     3.44    2839    99.2    59250    8855   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     112.0     65.3     4.23    2839    95.5    56605    9528   1.145  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                111.2     60.2     3.90    2839    93.1    59250    9251   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350              104.7     55.4     3.59    2834    97.8    59250    8984   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         104.7     55.4     3.59    2834    97.8    59250    8984   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        99.9     52.3     3.39    2832   100.0    59250    8532   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             108.5     61.3     3.97    2832    95.5    59250    9057   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      108.6     57.3     3.71    2822    94.3    59250    8993   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        92.7     51.2     3.31    2816   100.0    59250    8055   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle          92.7     51.2     3.31    2816   100.0    59250    8055   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       90.6     51.2     3.31    2816   100.0    59250    8055   1.163  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       97.6     51.1     3.31    2815   100.0    59250    8050   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle          103.3     54.1     3.50    2814    98.7    59250    8702   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         103.3     54.1     3.50    2814    98.7    59250    8702   1.155  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    91.6     52.6     3.41    2810    99.1    59250    8529   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              112.0     58.3     3.78    2804    93.5    58894    8971   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         101.8     53.5     3.47    2804    97.0    59250    8747   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.8     53.5     3.47    2804    97.0    59250    8747   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        98.6     53.5     3.47    2803    97.0    59250    8740   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       91.8     48.1     3.12    2792   100.0    59250    7732   1.187  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       107.3     61.2     3.96    2784    93.2    59250    8743   1.149  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      112.0     59.5     3.86    2781    91.8    52572    9371   1.188  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      112.0     60.0     3.88    2777    97.5    53358    8979   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       91.6     46.6     3.02    2770   100.0    59250    7711   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
 
Thank you all. I suppose I am showing my ignorance with the all copper bullets. Just started to mess with them here recently (trying to broaden horizons) and my lack of knowledge is evident.
 
I've enjoyed great success with monolithic bullets for quite a few years. I used the 168 gr TSX in my 300 WSM to take moose, elk, mule deer, whitetail and black bear. All the animals expired pretty much as I had hoped. My "go to" load for my 270 WSM launches a 130 grain E-Tip. That load/rifle combination has accounted for moose, elk, mule deer and black bear. Again, all managed to tip over as expected. I like the monolithic bullets. The E-Tip has worked very well for me in a variety of rifles. A 180 grain E-Tip at 2800-2900 fps from your 30-06 would be a formidable load for about anything you'd care to hunt. I doubt that it would kill any more effectively than would the 168 grain E-Tip sent on its way at 2900-3000 fps.
 
I'm glad that the 168 E-Tip was included in the Quick Load, and also referenced by "6mm Rem" because I've got 200 of them on hand. I figured that it would be easy enough to get them to 2,800 fps. They're long, have a high BC, and should penetrate quite well.

Guy
 
After attempting to load the 140 gr TTSX in 7-08 and now the 180 Etip in the 30-06 I am learning that I should probably go to mid weight bullet compared to the heavier for caliber side of bullets.
 
The question needs more detail.

180 E tip, 3006, what range?

We typically shoot deer 50-400 yards.

At 500 yards, it’s probably down to 2000 FPS. You’ll have minimal expansion.

That 180 etip, I’d leave to magnums.
From a 3006, I’d drive it as fast as I can and keep the range under 300. Part of that is we need blood track in heavy cover to recover deer where I hunt.

Going down a step on monos help as you can get the speed up more.

The final thing I’d bring up on monolithic bullets, they are longer and push into your case more and they some times need more twist to stabilize.

I’d guess you’d be ok with a 1:10.

If your 3006 is older, it could be a 1:12 twist. A lighter bullet stabilizes better with slower twist rates.

All comments above are excellent.


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You should be fine with the etip at the ranges your shooting.
I’d recommend the 165 over the 180, but if you have the 180... use it. If it doesn’t stabilize well, give it more jump.

On the opposite end of the monos, are the Long range and extreme distance bullets are designed to expand at low speeds...

The trade off is if it opens fully at 700-1000 yards, the energy the bullet has at 25 could result is the bullet splatting and not penetrating.


There was a really educational bullet test one of the members who guides provided. They took 6 elk. Two with Berger’s, two with ELD-X, and two with AccuBond.

If you have time ... try to find it. I think it was under bullet tests vs hunting. He provided pictures of recovered bullets and explained the observed game behavior after impact.


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For deer at those ranges I would go with 150 E-Tips. You can push them faster and it will penetrate. I have used 150's on deer and elk out 400 yards with no problems.
 
"If your 3006 is older, it could be a 1:12 twist. A lighter bullet stabilizes better with slower twist rates."

AFAIK, the only 30-06 rifles with 1 in 12" twist barrels are the Browning 78 and Husqvarna according to the Speer #9 Manual. I have one FN Mauser with a 1 in 12" barrel but its a custom job. It's quite accurate with the 165 gr. AccuBond bit will not shoot and 180 gr. spitzer into anything smaller than 4 inches. I also have a Husqvarna 640 in 30-06 that apparently, according to the Speer manual has a 1 in 12" twist. In theory, a 1 in 12" should stabilize a 180 gr. bullet but nothing heavier. My custom will do 1.5" with the 220 gr. Sierra round nose bullets. I'll have to try some 180 round nose I have on hand to see what they'll do. I'll run some 180 gr. spitzers and round nose in the Husky and see what the results might be.

On 180 gr. bullets I have run some Hornady Interlocks to 2800 FPS in a Remington M700 BDL and 700 Classic, 22" barrel with no apparent pressure signs in either rifle. This was during early summer with temps in the mid 90s for whatever that's worth. Figured I might use it on my next elk hunt. Would have alternated between the BDL and my custom .280 Rem. from day to day. The hunt didn't happen. Vehicle accidents two days before the hunt and five days in the hospital got in the way.
Paul B.
 
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