QL help for wildcat 25 creedmoor

[BruceP]

I have just had an xp 100 built in 25 creedmoor and was wondering if someone could help with some QL calculations. I had thought that using 6 creedmoor load data should be sufficient to start with but have encountered a few issues.
The case is just a 6.5 creedmoor necked to take .257 bullets with no other changes. The brass I have been working with uses small rifle primers and holds 52.3 grains of water. I'm using the cci 450, SMK 100 grain bullet and have been working with RL15 powder but also have RL19, H4350 H4831sc and Varget that I plan to work with. the bullet is seated to a col of 2.682" and the barrel on the xp is 16".

If someone could run QL on this is would be much appreciated.

Bruce

 

[Dwh7271]

Cartridge          : 25 Creedmoor
Bullet             : .257, 100, Sierra HPBT MatchK 1628
Useable Case Capaci: 47.590 grain H2O = 3.090 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.682 inch = 68.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 16.0 inch = 406.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59000 psi, or 406 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

3 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  100.7     46.3     3.00    2973    99.3    59000   17511   0.842  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26                 110.0     51.9     3.36    2972    95.7    57967   18738   0.855  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            99.8     45.9     2.98    2952    98.6    59000   17221   0.846  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  99.8     45.9     2.98    2952    98.6    59000   17221   0.846  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                       107.2     46.8     3.03    2940    99.4    59000   16746   0.854  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                 104.7     44.7     2.90    2935    97.2    59000   16958   0.842  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  106.7     49.9     3.23    2926    93.2    59000   17580   0.842  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          110.0     50.4     3.26    2916    92.1    57004   17914   0.861  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  103.5     47.6     3.08    2913    96.3    59000   16977   0.861  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                101.2     47.3     3.06    2900    94.6    59000   16760   0.852  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                105.3     47.7     3.09    2899    94.1    59000   16779   0.851  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     104.5     47.3     3.07    2898    94.6    59000   16735   0.852  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          104.1     45.2     2.93    2893    96.6    59000   16475   0.857  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         104.1     45.2     2.93    2893    96.6    59000   16471   0.857  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        98.7     45.8     2.97    2891    93.5    59000   16661   0.855  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      98.7     45.8     2.97    2891    93.5    59000   16661   0.855  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                      103.6     45.4     2.94    2890    96.6    59000   16591   0.872  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    101.0     45.3     2.93    2887    96.4    59000   16554   0.863  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     49.6     3.21    2884    87.8    58334   17026   0.846  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 108.9     47.8     3.10    2882    91.1    59000   16600   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                107.0     45.4     2.94    2878    98.5    59000   15658   0.852  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           109.3     45.9     2.97    2878    96.8    59000   16227   0.865  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        108.0     47.1     3.05    2876    90.6    59000   16414   0.842  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         109.7     48.1     3.12    2875    91.0    59000   16467   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                        106.5     46.7     3.03    2861    90.8    59000   16128   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                          103.2     46.7     3.03    2861    90.8    59000   16128   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          106.5     46.7     3.03    2861    90.8    59000   16128   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          96.4     42.7     2.77    2859    98.8    59000   15721   0.876  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       96.4     42.7     2.77    2859    98.8    59000   15721   0.876  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       109.3     48.5     3.14    2855    92.5    59000   16188   0.864  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       98.5     42.8     2.77    2854    98.6    59000   15609   0.875  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       104.1     46.4     3.00    2849    93.1    59000   15929   0.859  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        95.7     42.9     2.78    2847    96.2    59000   15751   0.867  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        98.5     42.3     2.74    2847    98.5    59000   15483   0.870  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     48.8     3.16    2844    87.1    56901   16570   0.855  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        91.4     41.3     2.68    2843    99.8    59000   15016   0.877  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       96.1     41.2     2.67    2840   100.0    59000   15047   0.895  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   109.6     48.6     3.15    2840    87.7    59000   15869   0.845  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         103.2     44.8     2.90    2837    93.9    59000   15782   0.868  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     49.3     3.20    2836    86.1    54290   17112   0.881  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780             107.0     49.5     3.21    2835    90.7    59000   15670   0.848  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       90.5     38.8     2.52    2828   100.0    59000   14463   0.899  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      107.1     46.3     3.00    2827    89.4    59000   15547   0.850  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    90.3     42.5     2.75    2825    96.2    59000   15254   0.868  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                         101.8     43.7     2.83    2824    95.4    59000   15394   0.868  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.0     48.8     3.16    2820    89.0    53455   16846   0.890  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       110.0     48.8     3.16    2820    89.0    53455   16846   0.890  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.0     48.8     3.16    2820    89.0    53455   16846   0.890  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      100.4     43.2     2.80    2814    92.9    59000   15304   0.863  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                         100.4     43.2     2.80    2814    92.9    59000   15304   0.863  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        97.2     43.3     2.80    2813    92.9    59000   15293   0.863  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     52.6     3.41    2808    89.5    55227   16307   0.871  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       90.4     37.7     2.44    2806    99.9    59000   14344   0.881  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     51.3     3.32    2802    83.4    53305   16820   0.892  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   110.0     46.9     3.04    2793    88.2    57832   15280   0.858  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       105.7     49.4     3.20    2788    88.1    59000   15062   0.860  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      110.0     48.3     3.13    2752    92.7    52715   15638   0.920  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      110.0     47.9     3.10    2749    85.5    51728   15826   0.904  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 110.0     47.2     3.06    2741    95.0    48075   16249   0.938
Bofors RP15                        110.0     47.7     3.09    2723    86.7    48622   16170   0.932
Winchester WXR                     110.0     47.7     3.09    2723    86.7    48622   16170   0.932
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     51.5     3.34    2713    84.0    49800   16125   0.915
Hodgdon H4831                      110.0     46.9     3.04    2711    85.0    51619   15042   0.901  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     51.5     3.34    2706    83.6    49527   16076   0.917
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     47.7     3.09    2689    88.9    50251   14817   0.920
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.0     49.2     3.19    2688    81.5    50848   15082   0.907
Vihtavuori N160                    110.0     46.3     3.00    2685    86.7    51657   14475   0.907  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           110.0     46.9     3.04    2675    83.1    47495   15578   0.935
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     50.1     3.25    2671    82.9    49678   15273   0.915
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     48.0     3.11    2639    88.7    43948   16013   0.975
IMR 7977 Enduron                   110.0     47.7     3.09    2579    75.5    50786   13042   0.915
Lovex S071                         110.0     45.6     2.96    2555    88.7    42619   14495   1.021
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     48.3     3.13    2515    79.3    39197   15022   1.037
Bofors RP30                        110.0     48.3     3.13    2515    79.3    39197   15022   1.037
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     47.7     3.09    2482    77.7    41059   13822   1.005
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     47.7     3.09    2482    77.7    41059   13822   1.005
Vihtavuori N570                    110.0     50.9     3.30    2459    69.0    38556   14592   1.045
Lovex D100                         110.0     51.9     3.36    2401    67.2    40943   12333   1.017
ADI AR 2225                        110.0     48.5     3.14    2373    76.3    35210   13860   1.086
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     48.5     3.14    2373    76.3    35210   13860   1.086
Alliant Reloder-33                 110.0     52.3     3.39    2369    66.7    36076   13708   1.081
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     47.7     3.09    2343    70.0    36041   12488   1.089
Vihtavuori 24N41                   110.0     51.4     3.33    2341    62.1    38178   12160   1.050
ReloadSwiss RS 80                  110.0     52.3     3.39    2308    64.8    34457   13115   1.103
ADI AR 2218                        110.0     51.4     3.33    2293    59.1    35801   12157   1.082
Norma 217                          110.0     47.5     3.08    2241    71.0    29806   13139   1.179
Hodgdon H870                       110.0     49.8     3.23    2224    64.2    30758   12435   1.161
Hodgdon 50BMG                      110.0     49.0     3.17    2153    53.9    30741   10748   1.159
Somchem 12.7-0                     110.0     49.8     3.23    2151    54.8    32202   10175   1.138
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0     51.0     3.31    2147    55.7    28540   11588   1.213
Hodgdon US 869                     110.0     51.4     3.33    2141    56.6    30487   10757   1.168
Alliant Reloder-50                 110.0     52.2     3.38    2128    58.3    27600   11963   1.218
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  110.0     49.3     3.20    2079    59.6    27296   10618   1.226
Accurate 8700                      110.0     50.4     3.26    2040    55.7    27425    9912   1.221
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       110.0     49.3     3.20    2018    56.0    25850    9995   1.255
Vihtavuori 20N29                   110.0     51.9     3.36    1998    52.8    25878    9851   1.252
NC A3502 ,test only                110.0     47.2     3.06    1914    38.8    25767    7470   1.254
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           110.0     47.2     3.06    1879    41.0    23797    7688   1.297
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       110.0     47.2     3.06    1369    19.1    13804    3631   1.704

 

[SJB358]

Dang, now that is pretty cool! Looking forward to seeing some pictures of it. Sounds like a ripper!

 

[Michael C. Smith]

There is not a lot of info out on this wildcat. I would think it would be pretty close to the performance of a 250 ackley improved. Really like the idea of it. I have always want a 25 caliber. This might be a good one.

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[Thebear_78]

I’m betting you could use 6.5 creedmoor starting loads without much issue. Sounds pretty close to the 250 ackly improved. I’d check the capacity, it might be a perfect match


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[Dwh7271]

Should be comparable to a 30 degree shoulder 250 I'd think.

 

[BruceP]

Should be comparable to a 30 degree shoulder 250 I'd think.

First thank you for such a quick response. Yes from everything I have read the 25 creedmoor should be a twin the 250 imp. cartridges. however with the limited powders and bullets I have tried so far (2 of each) I have been getting some brass flow in to the ejector hole (shiny smudge mark) with loads that are roughly 1/2 way from the starting load and the max. load for both the 250 AI and the 6 creedmoor with the same bullet weight. I have not chronographed any of the loads yet. It also could be the brass. Maybe it is softer than it should be at the case head. I have some Lapua brass I'm going to try also.
I was surprised that RL15 and H4350 were not in the list of powders in the chart.
Anyway thanks again.

Bruce

 

[BruceP]

I’m betting you could use 6.5 creedmoor starting loads without much issue. Sounds pretty close to the 250 ackly improved. I’d check the capacity, it might be a perfect match


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I thought the same thing but it's not working out exactly as I had planed.

 

[BruceP]

Dang, now that is pretty cool! Looking forward to seeing some pictures of it. Sounds like a ripper!

Right now the cheap bipod pictured is not on it and the groups seem more consistent from the rest and brick bag but I picked up a Harris bipod to go on it.

 

[SJB358]

Looks great Bruce. That’s a really danged cool bolt pistol.

 

[Dwh7271]

On the RL15 and 4350, the fill percentages probably weren’t in the parameters I set. I can run them if you’d like?

 

[BruceP]

On the RL15 and 4350, the fill percentages probably weren’t in the parameters I set. I can run them if you’d like?

Well if it's not any trouble that would be great but I appreciate what you have already done. Since I have not used QL I wasn't sure how it worked or picked the powders in the list. I just noticed that there were powders on both sides of the burn rates so that is why it surprised me that they weren't in there.

I have started loading a few of the Lapua brass to see how it does and am hoping to chronograph a few rounds the next time I get to the range to see if the velocities are out of line with what it appears they should be.

Thanks again.

Bruce

 

[BruceP]

On the RL15 and 4350, the fill percentages probably weren’t in the parameters I set. I can run them if you’d like?

Well if it's not any trouble that would be great but I appreciate what you have already done. Since I have not used QL I wasn't sure how it worked or picked the powders in the list. I just noticed that there were powders on both sides of the burn rates so that is why it surprised me that they weren't in there.

I have started loading a few of the Lapua brass to see how it does and am hoping to chronograph a few rounds the next time I get to the range to see if the velocities are out of line with what it appears they should be.

Thanks again.

Bruce

 

[cloverleaf]

Dang! now I want an XP in 250 Sav. again!!! Those numbers run awful close to my 250 sav. with a 22inch barrel. Good thing I cant afford this option or I would want one.

https://www.nosler.com/nosler-handgun

 

[BruceP]

Looks great Bruce. That’s a really danged cool bolt pistol.

And when it wants to shoot like this then it make it even more cool. Even if the load was a little warm.
This was my best 3 shot group so far but another lower powder charge was still in the .3's

Bruce

 

[1Shot]

https://www.nosler.com/nosler-handgun

Go take a look at this new Nosler pistol if you have $2,500.00 burning a hole in your pocket.

 

[thatguySHM]

24 Nosler eh?

I guess we can expect the announcement before 3-4 months is up?

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[26NosFan]

Per the interweb
"As you can see in the above drawing, it is a .243 caliber (6mm) cartridge with a rebated rim to .223 Remington rim size and an overall length of 2.26″ meaning that it is designed with the intention of being loaded in AR-15 size magazines. It is certainly based on the .22 Nosler case, but it’s not a necked up .22 Nosler. The shoulder is pushed back and it has a shorter case length giving it 2.7 calibers of space over the case.
If one tries to neck down this cartridge to .224 caliber, then it should become identical to .224 Valkyrie in terms of the case length, case capacity and overall length with the exception (or maybe advantage) of havinga .223 Remington rim."

 

[26NosFan]

Load data is already listed on the Nosler site as well.

https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/24-nosler/