salmonchaser
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Looking for a quick load;
3006
factory spec COAl
IMR4350
150ttsx
180ttsx
very much appreciated,
Don
3006
factory spec COAl
IMR4350
150ttsx
180ttsx
very much appreciated,
Don
Quick load 3006; 150ttsx;
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jimbires
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150TTSX
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30366
Useable Case Capaci: 59.909 grain H2O = 3.890 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 86 47.20 2330 1808 30660 7682 83.7 1.376
-18.0 88 48.38 2388 1900 32743 7950 85.1 1.339
-16.0 90 49.56 2448 1995 34972 8214 86.4 1.303
-14.0 92 50.74 2507 2093 37356 8473 87.8 1.266
-12.0 95 51.92 2567 2194 39909 8725 89.0 1.227
-10.0 97 53.10 2627 2298 42648 8970 90.2 1.190
-08.0 99 54.28 2687 2405 45585 9207 91.4 1.154
-06.0 101 55.46 2747 2514 48737 9435 92.5 1.120
-04.0 103 56.64 2808 2626 52127 9653 93.5 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 57.82 2869 2741 55773 9860 94.4 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 59.00 2930 2859 59703 10055 95.3 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 110 60.18 2991 2979 63928 10237 96.2 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 61.36 3052 3102 68463 10405 96.9 0.963 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 114 62.54 3113 3228 73360 10558 97.6 0.935 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 63.72 3174 3356 78657 10695 98.2 0.907 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 64.90 3236 3487 84399 10816 98.7 0.881 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 59.00 3077 3153 70946 10139 99.2 0.950 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 59.00 2742 2505 49030 9527 88.0 1.116
180 TTSX
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30372
Useable Case Capaci: 56.522 grain H2O = 3.670 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 84 43.52 2153 1853 31306 7499 87.2 1.482
-18.0 86 44.61 2206 1945 33386 7745 88.4 1.442
-16.0 88 45.70 2259 2039 35612 7986 89.6 1.403
-14.0 90 46.78 2312 2136 37985 8221 90.8 1.363
-12.0 92 47.87 2365 2236 40518 8450 91.9 1.323
-10.0 94 48.96 2419 2338 43224 8670 92.9 1.283
-08.0 97 50.05 2472 2443 46127 8882 93.9 1.246
-06.0 99 51.14 2526 2549 49228 9084 94.8 1.209
-04.0 101 52.22 2579 2659 52545 9277 95.6 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 53.31 2633 2770 56073 9458 96.4 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 54.40 2686 2884 59846 9627 97.1 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 55.49 2740 3000 63894 9784 97.7 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 56.58 2793 3118 68240 9928 98.3 1.046 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 57.66 2847 3239 72914 10057 98.8 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 58.75 2900 3361 77947 10171 99.2 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 59.84 2953 3486 83376 10269 99.5 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 54.40 2809 3154 70840 9553 99.9 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 54.40 2525 2548 49203 9261 90.7 1.206
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30366
Useable Case Capaci: 59.909 grain H2O = 3.890 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 86 47.20 2330 1808 30660 7682 83.7 1.376
-18.0 88 48.38 2388 1900 32743 7950 85.1 1.339
-16.0 90 49.56 2448 1995 34972 8214 86.4 1.303
-14.0 92 50.74 2507 2093 37356 8473 87.8 1.266
-12.0 95 51.92 2567 2194 39909 8725 89.0 1.227
-10.0 97 53.10 2627 2298 42648 8970 90.2 1.190
-08.0 99 54.28 2687 2405 45585 9207 91.4 1.154
-06.0 101 55.46 2747 2514 48737 9435 92.5 1.120
-04.0 103 56.64 2808 2626 52127 9653 93.5 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 57.82 2869 2741 55773 9860 94.4 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 59.00 2930 2859 59703 10055 95.3 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 110 60.18 2991 2979 63928 10237 96.2 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 61.36 3052 3102 68463 10405 96.9 0.963 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 114 62.54 3113 3228 73360 10558 97.6 0.935 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 116 63.72 3174 3356 78657 10695 98.2 0.907 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 118 64.90 3236 3487 84399 10816 98.7 0.881 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 59.00 3077 3153 70946 10139 99.2 0.950 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 59.00 2742 2505 49030 9527 88.0 1.116
180 TTSX
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30372
Useable Case Capaci: 56.522 grain H2O = 3.670 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 84 43.52 2153 1853 31306 7499 87.2 1.482
-18.0 86 44.61 2206 1945 33386 7745 88.4 1.442
-16.0 88 45.70 2259 2039 35612 7986 89.6 1.403
-14.0 90 46.78 2312 2136 37985 8221 90.8 1.363
-12.0 92 47.87 2365 2236 40518 8450 91.9 1.323
-10.0 94 48.96 2419 2338 43224 8670 92.9 1.283
-08.0 97 50.05 2472 2443 46127 8882 93.9 1.246
-06.0 99 51.14 2526 2549 49228 9084 94.8 1.209
-04.0 101 52.22 2579 2659 52545 9277 95.6 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 53.31 2633 2770 56073 9458 96.4 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 54.40 2686 2884 59846 9627 97.1 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 55.49 2740 3000 63894 9784 97.7 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 56.58 2793 3118 68240 9928 98.3 1.046 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 57.66 2847 3239 72914 10057 98.8 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 113 58.75 2900 3361 77947 10171 99.2 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 115 59.84 2953 3486 83376 10269 99.5 0.961 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 54.40 2809 3154 70840 9553 99.9 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 54.40 2525 2548 49203 9261 90.7 1.206
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salmonchaser
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Thanks guys, buddy has a bunch of IMR and a couple hundred bullets but wanted some verifiable data.
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IMR4350 was always my go to powder in the 30-06 for 150/180 gr bullets.
JD338
JD338
TackDriver284
Handloader
- Feb 13, 2016
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I would lean on lighter bullets than 180 grains if using mono like Barnes TTSX such as 150 to 165 grains to ensure expansion from a 30-06. 2680 fps at the muzzle may not be sufficient to open at impact velocity for a 180 TTSX, just a thought. 2800 fps or more at the muzzle is more ideal for reliable expansion. The 150 TSSX seems perfect at 2900 + fps.
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salmonchaser
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I like the 150 ttsx out of my 06, I ordered some of nosler e tip on Monday they arrived yesterday. I’ll start playing with those in October.
- Nov 4, 2004
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Keep in mind that the E Tips like a lot of jump. I've gotten excellent accuracy at .100" jump.
JD338
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salmonchaser
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Thanks for that tip, save on powder and ball so to speak.
RL338
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- Mar 23, 2017
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150gr TTSX rocks in my 30-06 with RL17. Running them at 3080fps flattens whitetail on the spot.
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salmonchaser
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When or if 17 becomes available I’ll probably buy 100 pounds of the stuff.
RL338
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Me too
I have a cheap plastic stocked Winchester model 70 that I refer to as “The Loaner.” I loaded it with 150 ttsx but I used Big Game powder which worked better than IMR 4350. It shoots great and not too tough recoil. I did put a good scope on it.
It also shoots the original 150 gr trophy bonded bear claw which is loaded with IMR 4350 albeit slower in order to achieve best accuracy.
I know that’s not particularly helpful but I do like the 150’s and have had good success with these bullets
It also shoots the original 150 gr trophy bonded bear claw which is loaded with IMR 4350 albeit slower in order to achieve best accuracy.
I know that’s not particularly helpful but I do like the 150’s and have had good success with these bullets
Same here! God, I can't believe I let my stocks fall as low as they have of RL17.. Love that stuff.
Joec7651
Handloader
- Apr 7, 2019
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I’ve had good results with 150gr E-Tip bullets from my 308 Win. I get 3/4-1” groups at 100 yards. 50.5 grains of CFE223 gives 2940 fps from a 22” barrel, and is a little under the Hodgdon max.
The primers from that load are nowhere near as flat as Nosler factory loads with the same bullet. I thought the factory loads verged on over pressure by the looks of the primers. The E-Tip is really growing on me in a few calibers the more I work with them.
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salmonchaser
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Ugh. I asked my rookie reloading friend if he had checked the Barnes site, said he had and hadn’t seen it listed. “ I know a guy” I said.
Trust but verify, a mantra that keeps coming back.
Trust but verify, a mantra that keeps coming back.
RL338
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- Mar 23, 2017
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Barnes website has a lot of data but some leaves me scratching my head. One in particular is 308 Win. and 130gr TTSX. Powder weight and velocity don’t match if even it would fit in the case.
flyingagg
Handloader
- Dec 16, 2019
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What bothers with Barnes reloading data is that for some cartridges, they list the same COAL for a TSX and TTSX with the same amount of powder. Well the TTSX will seat in the case .020 or more deeper, and if you are near max, you will lock up your bolt. Ask me how I know.
When I questioned Barnes, they said its correct. I NO longer trust their data.
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