Rem 700 Classic in 8x57

[orchemo]

Over on the Campfire there is a Remington Classic in 8x57 for sale. I have been messaging the guy and why I think it sounds like a cool caliber to play with, I just can not pull the trigger

$500 shipped with dies seems like a pretty fair price. I have no affiliation with the seller, but sounds like a fun rifle for someone.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthread ... /9630824/1

Cheers
Eric

 

[Guy Miner]

Nice rifles, those 700 Classics.

For some reason the 8x57 just doesn't have a lot of "cool" factor going for it, despite being a good, sturdy, useful cartridge.

The 7x57 on the other hand is all kinds of "cool" and much more attractive to me. I've wanted one for years. The 8x57? Meh. Good cartridge. No appeal whatsoever. Can't explain it.

Guy

 

[DrMike]

Guy nailed it, the 8X57, though effective in the field, does not excite the shooting public in NA that much. Perhaps because the use of that cartridge as a battle cartridge is still too fresh. I like the 7X57, which is a delight to use. However, every 8X57 I ever worked with shot quite well and delivered the goods if the one using it was a hunter. That is a good price for a fine rifle. If I were the other side of the line, I might just pick it up. The action would make a good donor if I actually got bored with the cartridge.

 

[rjm158]

I own one of these rifles. I got it a year or so after they were issued when one of my LGS's distributors offered them at a closeout price.

I already loaded the 8mm for some of my military rifles so I didn't have to buy a new die set, etc.

The 8mm is capable of excellent accuracy. A bullet that doesn't get mentioned often is the 200 gr Sierra Matchking. It is marketed here, now, but for a long time was only available in Europe. It will make itty bitty groups if the shooter/loader does his part. I once had a load that I shot through an iron sighted Model 98 that gave me a 100 yd group measuring .625 for three rounds. I guess I held my mouth right, the moon and planets were aligned, or something but it definitely worked that day.

The 8mm doesn't get much attention because it's on old cartridge that didn't originate here and isn't the "usual" diameter (243, 270, 30, etc), much the same reason the 325 WSM didn't take off well. However, for someone who likes someone a bit off the beaten path, it's a very capable round in the genre of the 30-06, 308, 270 etc. It doesn't have the variety of bullet weights/styles to choose from the other diameters have but it's not hard to find one that will work for most needs any caliber within the same performance envelope would use.

Ron

 

[SJB358]

I tell you what, that rifle gives me the shakes and I have no need or want for a Remington, but that one is something I'd like to have. I love them older Classics and the 8x57 is pretty danged cool with the newer powders we have.

Just like with the 7x57, the 8x57 looks like it really thrives on RL17 and 200's..

Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54374
Useable Case Capaci: 54.862 grain H2O = 3.562 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 44.80 2185 2121 30812 7979 92.8 1.464
-18.0 87 45.92 2242 2233 32964 8227 94.1 1.424
-16.0 89 47.04 2300 2349 35275 8461 95.2 1.385
-14.0 91 48.16 2357 2468 37759 8681 96.3 1.343
-12.0 93 49.28 2415 2589 40432 8884 97.2 1.301
-10.0 95 50.40 2472 2714 43310 9071 98.0 1.260
-08.0 97 51.52 2529 2841 46414 9238 98.6 1.220
-06.0 99 52.64 2587 2971 49764 9386 99.2 1.182
-04.0 101 53.76 2644 3104 53387 9513 99.6 1.144
-02.0 103 54.88 2700 3238 57311 9618 99.8 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 56.00 2757 3375 61564 9700 100.0 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 57.12 2813 3514 66186 9760 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 58.24 2868 3654 71220 9813 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 59.36 2924 3796 76710 9861 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 60.48 2979 3941 82715 9905 100.0 0.948 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 61.60 3034 4088 89298 9945 100.0 0.919 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 56.00 2873 3665 75101 9233 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 56.00 2581 2959 49851 9798 96.2 1.179


Seems pretty danged good to me. Am I missing something?

 

[SJB358]

2600 with the 220's doesn't look to horrible to me either, at least not for the amount of powder burned.. A 308 runs a 175 Sierra about the same speed and people rave over that. Doesn't look too terribly awful to me..

Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 220, Sierra SPBT 2420
Useable Case Capaci: 55.671 grain H2O = 3.615 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 44.00 2108 2171 31049 8066 95.0 1.523
-18.0 84 45.10 2162 2282 33171 8293 96.1 1.483
-16.0 86 46.20 2215 2396 35441 8507 97.0 1.443
-14.0 88 47.30 2268 2513 37876 8705 97.8 1.403
-12.0 90 48.40 2321 2631 40485 8886 98.5 1.359
-10.0 92 49.50 2374 2753 43286 9050 99.1 1.317
-08.0 94 50.60 2426 2876 46296 9195 99.5 1.277
-06.0 96 51.70 2479 3001 49528 9320 99.8 1.238
-04.0 98 52.80 2530 3128 53015 9424 100.0 1.200
-02.0 100 53.90 2582 3257 56770 9508 100.0 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 55.00 2633 3387 60823 9581 100.0 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 56.10 2684 3518 65203 9651 100.0 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 57.20 2734 3652 69947 9717 100.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 58.30 2784 3787 75091 9780 100.0 1.032 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 59.40 2834 3923 80681 9838 100.0 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 60.50 2884 4062 86769 9892 100.0 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 55.00 2734 3650 74319 9156 100.0 1.048 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 55.00 2478 3000 49186 9850 97.6 1.238

 

[SJB358]

And for the speed demon's out there....


Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 180, Nosler BalTip 32180
Useable Case Capaci: 57.136 grain H2O = 3.710 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 85 47.20 2289 2095 30391 8187 90.7 1.402
-18.0 88 48.38 2351 2209 32536 8461 92.1 1.363
-16.0 90 49.56 2412 2326 34842 8722 93.5 1.326
-14.0 92 50.74 2474 2447 37325 8969 94.7 1.287
-12.0 94 51.92 2537 2572 39999 9201 95.8 1.245
-10.0 96 53.10 2599 2700 42886 9416 96.8 1.205
-08.0 98 54.28 2661 2831 45999 9611 97.6 1.166
-06.0 100 55.46 2724 2965 49373 9787 98.4 1.129
-04.0 103 56.64 2786 3102 53025 9941 99.0 1.093
-02.0 105 57.82 2848 3241 56987 10072 99.4 1.058 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 59.00 2910 3384 61287 10178 99.8 1.024 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 109 60.18 2971 3528 65981 10260 99.9 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 61.36 3032 3675 71098 10315 100.0 0.960 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 113 62.54 3093 3824 76696 10357 100.0 0.930 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 115 63.72 3154 3976 82835 10394 100.0 0.900 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 117 64.90 3214 4129 89585 10426 100.0 0.872 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 59.00 3043 3701 74702 9701 100.0 0.946 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 59.00 2713 2942 49672 10112 94.8 1.126

 

[DrMike]

I've shot that exact rifle; it was accurate and a pleasure to shoot. Yeah, it can generate some excellent groups for the shooter; and it is more than enough for game in my AO.

 

[JD338]

Eric,

Those 700 Classics are shooters. As mentioned, the 8mm Mauser is a great round but lacks the cool factor.
It would make for a excellent hog rifle, not to mention most anything in NA when loaded with a 200 gr PT.

JD338

 

[orchemo]

Seems like a step below the Whelen and maybe a slice below the 338 Federal. If I didn't have a Sako 338 Fed arriving later this week, I would be more likely to jump on it.

Eric

 

[nvbroncrider]

I tell you what, that rifle gives me the shakes and I have no need or want for a Remington, but that one is something I'd like to have. I love them older Classics and the 8x57 is pretty danged cool with the newer powders we have.

Just like with the 7x57, the 8x57 looks like it really thrives on RL17 and 200's..

Cartridge : 8 x 57 IS (8 mm Mauser CIP)
Bullet : .323, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54374
Useable Case Capaci: 54.862 grain H2O = 3.562 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 44.80 2185 2121 30812 7979 92.8 1.464
-18.0 87 45.92 2242 2233 32964 8227 94.1 1.424
-16.0 89 47.04 2300 2349 35275 8461 95.2 1.385
-14.0 91 48.16 2357 2468 37759 8681 96.3 1.343
-12.0 93 49.28 2415 2589 40432 8884 97.2 1.301
-10.0 95 50.40 2472 2714 43310 9071 98.0 1.260
-08.0 97 51.52 2529 2841 46414 9238 98.6 1.220
-06.0 99 52.64 2587 2971 49764 9386 99.2 1.182
-04.0 101 53.76 2644 3104 53387 9513 99.6 1.144
-02.0 103 54.88 2700 3238 57311 9618 99.8 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 56.00 2757 3375 61564 9700 100.0 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 57.12 2813 3514 66186 9760 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 58.24 2868 3654 71220 9813 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 59.36 2924 3796 76710 9861 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 60.48 2979 3941 82715 9905 100.0 0.948 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 61.60 3034 4088 89298 9945 100.0 0.919 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 56.00 2873 3665 75101 9233 100.0 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 56.00 2581 2959 49851 9798 96.2 1.179


Seems pretty danged good to me. Am I missing something?

EVIL EVIL can't be doing this to me.

 

[preacher]

I can't find it, but my copy of the first,( I think, it was green with a Moose on the cover?) Nosler manual had a write up on the 8x57 by a writer named "Al something", I think. He mentioned that for it to be at its full potential to load it like the Germans did, no more than .25" of bullet shank in the neck and to use the 200gr Nosler. I don't know as the only 8mm I ever played with was a Nazi 98 war (Russian p/u and refurbished) full military. I only shot Turkish 8mm machine gun ammo out of it and man did it hum!! I had a taller front sight put on it to bring the +8" zero down to normal and I often shot 1" with it at 100. I got that ammo in a spam can and don't even remember the bullet weight now. I don't think a man could distinguish, in the field, any difference between it and a 30-06, or possibly a 338/06 with 200 gr bullets. I would think an 8mm/200 loaded right could outdo a 338 Federal/200, but never tested it to see. I like the 338 Federal, but around here the ammo/rifles are getting hard to find. You would think Utah would be 338 Federal paradise!

 

[gerry]

I believe Al Miller wrote the write up and in WW II he had to dodge some 8x57 bullets which made quite an impression on him.

The 8x57 is a sleeper round and performs very well by the looks of it. I would also say it is at least as good as the 338 Federal and probably better with lots of bullets available from 180 gr and less weight for good speed.

 

[SJB358]

I'd take a 8x57 in a long action all day long over a 338 Federal in a short action. I think the 8x57 looks really impressive when loaded to modern specs.

It's a total sleeper cartridge.

 

[gerry]

Yep, I would likely never own a 338 Federal even though it is good but would be all over a left hand 8x57 and there are a few of those available in LH.

 

[Rigbymauser]

The 8x57 and the .303 British origin from 1888 and can still do most of it. Where the .303 has more of less faded out the 8x57 is still keeping up the fight(it hasn´t lost yet). To find a true pre-war(>1914) Mauser from Oberndorf in 8x57 is a treasure. It will serve its master for another 100years in the huntingfields anywhere at anytime. There isn´t any exotic thing over the 8x57 here a 8x64Brenneke might qualify better. I don´t know if the pre-64 Model 70 Winchester chambered the 8x57?.

 

[gerry]

The 303 British is doing very well here, you don't see 8x57's very often.

 

[FOTIS]

A German 30-06

 

[Mountain Goat]

I think the 700 Classic is the only factory sporting rifle ever chambered in 8x57 in America. I could be wrong though. That should add some "cool" factor to it for you guys.

 

[6mm Remington]

I have an 8x57 that looks like this that my grandfather brought back from World War II. :wink: