Does anyone have experience with a 338-06 Ackley using the Sierra 215 gr Gameking on game? If not, what are you using? Also, what powder are you using? I'm having a 338-06 Ackley built and am looking for a bullet that will work well on bear and bear. There is so little load data or articles available on this cartridge.
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SIERRA .338 215 GR GAMEKING
- Thread starter grry10
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I will hopefully have my 338-06AI home by october ready for Nov bear season:
I just ordered some 200 grain accubonds from shooters pro shop picked them up for $20 for 50 rounds, thinking they should work quite well on black bears
seems most advise something like RL-15 or IMR 4320 the second one can be found...RL-15 havn't been able to find yet
I just ordered some 200 grain accubonds from shooters pro shop picked them up for $20 for 50 rounds, thinking they should work quite well on black bears
seems most advise something like RL-15 or IMR 4320 the second one can be found...RL-15 havn't been able to find yet
I think the 215 has a reputation for being pretty tough.
If I remember right its another case of a smaller bullet having the thick base jacket of its bigger brother.
I might look at something else for 338-06 vel unless shooting close up.
Then again it might be what you are looking for w/bear in mind.
If I remember right its another case of a smaller bullet having the thick base jacket of its bigger brother.
I might look at something else for 338-06 vel unless shooting close up.
Then again it might be what you are looking for w/bear in mind.
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Kraky, I went to Sierra's web site and it does not appear that their 215 gr is the best choice for the 338-06 or the Ackley version. What bullets are you using in your 338-06s and 338-06 Ackley's? SJB358 asked what powders I was planning to use. I have RL15, IMR-4064, IMR-4320, IMR-4350, H4895, H414 and W760 in stock so will be trying to match one of these to the bullet selection.
I have a 340 bee. I tried the 215 sierra but didn't catch an accurate load but only tried a few. My 340 seems real partial to 250 class bullets loving the Partition and horn spire point.
I did section one of the 215 sierra and it did have an extra thick jacket.
If I was you I'd be watching shooters proshop for AccuBond deals....or maybe try hornady spire points. Horns are so unsexy yet always seem to work.
I did section one of the 215 sierra and it did have an extra thick jacket.
If I was you I'd be watching shooters proshop for AccuBond deals....or maybe try hornady spire points. Horns are so unsexy yet always seem to work.
grry10":2x63arhm said:Kraky, I went to Sierra's web site and it does not appear that their 215 gr is the best choice for the 338-06 or the Ackley version. What bullets are you using in your 338-06s and 338-06 Ackley's? SJB358 asked what powders I was planning to use. I have RL15, IMR-4064, IMR-4320, IMR-4350, H4895, H414 and W760 in stock so will be trying to match one of these to the bullet selection.
Here is some data for the 225AB.
Cartridge : .338-270 HGT
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 58.322 grain H2O = 3.787 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon H414 105.7 60.1 3.89 2722 97.8 63000 8539 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 105.7 60.1 3.89 2722 97.8 63000 8539 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 108.3 59.5 3.85 2720 99.5 63000 8425 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 110.0 61.1 3.96 2684 98.0 59379 8493 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 110.0 58.5 3.79 2683 99.3 59892 8246 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 110.0 58.5 3.79 2682 99.3 59832 8242 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 109.9 61.0 3.95 2682 95.5 63000 8366 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 103.3 56.2 3.64 2676 100.0 63000 7717 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 105.7 56.2 3.64 2668 100.0 63000 7643 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 102.4 56.2 3.64 2666 99.3 63000 7949 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 105.5 55.5 3.60 2660 100.0 63000 7654 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 110.0 58.5 3.79 2654 97.8 62456 8057 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 108.2 54.4 3.52 2646 100.0 63000 7208 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 110.0 60.0 3.89 2645 97.0 60641 8118 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 98.1 54.3 3.52 2645 100.0 63000 7204 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 98.1 54.3 3.52 2645 100.0 63000 7204 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 108.8 57.2 3.71 2641 98.7 63000 7815 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 58.8 3.81 2638 100.0 53337 8003 1.222
SNPE Vectan SP 7 96.5 55.7 3.61 2635 99.2 63000 7638 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 107.1 56.5 3.66 2628 97.0 63000 7842 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 103.7 56.5 3.66 2627 97.0 63000 7836 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 100.7 51.2 3.32 2622 100.0 63000 6910 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 91.8 53.0 3.43 2610 100.0 63000 7018 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 91.8 53.0 3.43 2610 100.0 63000 7018 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 96.9 49.5 3.21 2596 100.0 63000 6883 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 59.1 3.83 2591 94.1 56143 8123 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 59.1 3.83 2591 94.1 56143 8123 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 57.2 3.71 2583 99.7 54574 7532 1.221
Accurate 4350 110.0 56.6 3.67 2570 98.4 51394 8037 1.268
ADI AR 2209 110.0 58.8 3.81 2567 93.4 53769 8169 1.225
Norma MRP 110.0 61.7 4.00 2553 93.8 47248 8801 1.286
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 59.1 3.83 2552 93.3 51754 8197 1.247
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 62.4 4.04 2549 93.6 55094 7866 1.220
Somchem S361 110.0 63.0 4.08 2542 91.8 57623 7660 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 110.0 58.3 3.78 2542 92.6 55233 7772 1.224
IMR 4831 110.0 56.6 3.67 2537 98.3 50315 7825 1.275
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 59.1 3.83 2526 92.9 50564 8071 1.262
Somchem S385 110.0 59.8 3.87 2512 94.4 49895 7902 1.280
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 60.7 3.94 2511 89.4 49199 8298 1.271
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 60.4 3.92 2485 88.1 45556 8431 1.313
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 59.8 3.87 2484 89.5 50656 7772 1.265
ADI AR 2213 110.0 59.8 3.87 2482 89.0 48341 8132 1.284
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 59.8 3.87 2474 91.0 44724 8303 1.324
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 59.8 3.87 2474 91.0 44724 8303 1.324
Raufoss RA15 110.0 59.8 3.87 2474 91.0 44724 8303 1.324
Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 62.9 4.07 2448 85.2 44167 8286 1.335
Rottweil R905 110.0 58.7 3.80 2405 87.5 43461 7763 1.349
Winchester WXR 110.0 58.5 3.79 2397 89.1 40866 8024 1.381
Hodgdon H4831 110.0 57.5 3.72 2372 87.1 44034 7394 1.347
Ramshot Magnum 110.0 63.3 4.10 2367 85.6 41818 8004 1.371
SNPE Vectan SP 12 110.0 63.1 4.09 2360 85.6 41419 7970 1.377
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 110.0 60.3 3.91 2356 83.6 43494 7480 1.357
PB Clermont PCL 517 110.0 63.1 4.09 2354 85.3 41202 7950 1.381
Vihtavuori N165 110.0 58.5 3.79 2352 90.8 42276 7238 1.373
Vihtavuori N160 110.0 56.7 3.67 2350 88.7 44146 7069 1.354
IMR 7828 110.0 57.5 3.72 2347 85.5 40392 7695 1.392
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 58.8 3.81 2331 91.4 37108 8008 1.440
ADI AP 2214 110.0 61.4 3.98 2326 84.7 42007 7530 1.377
Accurate 3100 110.0 55.9 3.62 2249 91.1 34538 7147 1.505
Lovex S071 110.0 55.9 3.62 2249 91.1 34538 7147 1.505
Norma MRP 2 110.0 59.1 3.83 2221 82.2 32786 7568 1.519
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 58.5 3.79 2176 80.3 34992 6906 1.495
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 62.4 4.04 2160 71.4 32251 7377 1.546
Alliant Reloder 33 110.0 65.0 4.21 2145 71.9 32295 7320 1.549
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 59.5 3.85 2101 79.9 29856 7128 1.589
Lovex D100 110.0 63.6 4.12 2088 68.6 34445 6106 1.529
Vihtavuori N170 110.0 58.5 3.79 2063 72.5 30197 6275 1.596
Vihtavuori 24N41 110.0 63.0 4.08 2043 63.8 32390 6082 1.570
ADI AR 2218 110.0 63.0 4.08 2002 61.2 30308 6163 1.613
Hodgdon H870 110.0 61.1 3.96 1965 67.3 25900 6411 1.709
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0 62.5 4.05 1892 57.8 23265 5912 1.784
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 60.0 3.89 1891 56.0 26187 5447 1.719
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 63.0 4.08 1879 58.6 25830 5464 1.733
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 64.0 4.14 1874 60.8 22830 6173 1.797
SNPE Vectan SP 13 110.0 60.4 3.92 1835 62.3 23119 5457 1.809
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 110.0 60.4 3.92 1781 58.7 21964 5149 1.854
Vihtavuori 20N29 110.0 63.6 4.12 1753 54.9 21806 5052 1.863
Accurate 8700 110.0 60.6 3.92 1744 56.4 21882 4841 1.868
NC A3502 ,test only 110.0 57.9 3.75 1672 40.3 22454 3657 1.874
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 110.0 57.9 3.75 1650 43.0 20660 3852 1.930
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 110.0 57.9 3.75 1194 19.8 12268 1772 2.577
Cartridge : .338-270 HGT
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 58.322 grain H2O = 3.787 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 8208 XBR
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 77 41.20 2164 2339 34455 6117 96.8 1.527
-18.0 79 42.23 2211 2442 36599 6263 97.5 1.491
-16.0 80 43.26 2257 2546 38865 6401 98.1 1.452
-14.0 82 44.29 2303 2651 41260 6532 98.6 1.412
-12.0 84 45.32 2349 2757 43793 6654 99.0 1.374
-10.0 86 46.35 2395 2865 46471 6768 99.3 1.338
-08.0 88 47.38 2440 2974 49303 6873 99.6 1.303
-06.0 90 48.41 2485 3084 52299 6968 99.8 1.269
-04.0 92 49.44 2529 3195 55469 7054 99.9 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 94 50.47 2573 3307 58826 7129 100.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 96 51.50 2616 3419 62382 7198 100.0 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 98 52.53 2659 3532 66151 7264 100.0 1.147 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 100 53.56 2702 3646 70149 7329 100.0 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 102 54.59 2744 3761 74392 7391 100.0 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 103 55.62 2786 3877 78901 7452 100.0 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 105 56.65 2827 3994 83695 7511 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 51.50 2691 3617 72807 6925 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 51.50 2503 3129 52049 7393 98.3 1.267
Cartridge : .338-270 HGT
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 58.322 grain H2O = 3.787 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4320
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 82 43.60 2168 2348 33203 6315 94.6 1.523
-18.0 84 44.69 2218 2457 35386 6483 95.5 1.487
-16.0 87 45.78 2268 2569 37712 6644 96.3 1.446
-14.0 89 46.87 2317 2683 40190 6797 97.1 1.405
-12.0 91 47.96 2367 2799 42832 6940 97.7 1.365
-10.0 93 49.05 2416 2917 45649 7074 98.3 1.326
-08.0 95 50.14 2465 3036 48661 7197 98.8 1.289
-06.0 97 51.23 2514 3158 51876 7310 99.2 1.254
-04.0 99 52.32 2563 3281 55315 7412 99.5 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 101 53.41 2611 3405 58996 7502 99.8 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 54.50 2659 3532 62942 7579 99.9 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 105 55.59 2706 3659 67175 7644 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 107 56.68 2754 3788 71722 7698 100.0 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 109 57.77 2800 3918 76613 7749 100.0 1.065 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 111 58.86 2847 4050 81874 7798 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 113 59.95 2893 4183 87521 7843 100.0 1.010 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 54.50 2748 3773 74730 7256 100.0 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 54.50 2526 3188 51943 7667 96.8 1.249
Cartridge : .338-270 HGT
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 58.322 grain H2O = 3.787 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H414
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 84 48.00 2156 2323 31194 6717 87.6 1.564
-18.0 87 49.20 2212 2444 33387 6937 88.9 1.520
-16.0 89 50.40 2268 2569 35741 7151 90.2 1.477
-14.0 91 51.60 2323 2697 38274 7358 91.4 1.433
-12.0 93 52.80 2379 2829 41002 7557 92.5 1.388
-10.0 95 54.00 2436 2964 43940 7746 93.6 1.345
-08.0 97 55.20 2492 3102 47112 7926 94.6 1.303
-06.0 99 56.40 2548 3244 50536 8095 95.5 1.263
-04.0 101 57.60 2605 3390 54241 8252 96.3 1.224
-02.0 103 58.80 2661 3538 58257 8397 97.1 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 60.00 2718 3690 62613 8528 97.7 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 108 61.20 2774 3845 67351 8646 98.3 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 62.40 2831 4003 72510 8747 98.8 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 112 63.60 2887 4165 78145 8833 99.2 1.050 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 64.80 2944 4329 84284 8903 99.6 1.018 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 66.00 3000 4496 90990 8954 99.8 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 60.00 2847 4050 76201 8326 100.0 1.067 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 60.00 2542 3228 50481 8271 91.2 1.261
Give me about any other bullet and I can send it along as well. I would think the 200 AB or 210 PT would be excellent, as would the 200 grain BT.
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grry10":3rjk1tq4 said:Does anyone have experience with a 338-06 Ackley using the Sierra 215 gr Gameking on game? If not, what are you using? Also, what powder are you using? I'm having a 338-06 Ackley built and am looking for a bullet that will work well on bear and bear. There is so little load data or articles available on this cartridge.
I have one and I'm working up a load with the 225's AB and PT I'm running around 2750-2800 with a full charge of H414. For the 215's I'm thinking a guy needs something a hair faster Varget R15 would be my guess somewhere around 2800-2850. Or even IMR4895. When I fire formed I had a bunch of the Sierra's that shot pretty well but I just like the Partition or AccuBond a lot better.
