Tactical invasion

[Thebear_78]

There has been a steady influx of tactical/black rifles in my gunsafe as of late. It all started with a couple deals too good to pass up but has turned in to a bit of a fad. I know this is more a traditional/hunting crowd but I figured a few of you guys have a bit of a black rifle bug too. Its funny how we can occasionally have so differing tastes. I like a classy savage 99 or stainless model 70 with nice featherweight wood every bit as much as these ugly, yet cool in thier own way modern sporting rifles. I think its possible that you can enjoy a modern sporting rifle without being a tactical ninja or couch operator.

 

[Dwh7271]

With a few very minor exceptions, I like all rifles. Leads to uncontrollable acquisition syndrome. :grin:
The tactical/black rifles (or whatever you want to call them) have a place I believe. Besides they look cool. Different but cool. I like them for coyotes where a second quick shot may be needed if more than one comes in.
Those you have built are nice looking rifles and shoot well I would guess.
They are different, not that that is a bad thing.

 

[DrMike]

I'd say that is a serious invasion, Bear. Dewey, UAS is a dreadful (or delightful) malady, depending on how you view it. :mrgreen:

 

[Guy Miner]

Cool. They're fun, accurate, and useful.

Yours remind me of the "varmint-target" rifle my oldest son uses, which has a 24" heavy-fluted barrel and a 6.5-20x Leupold.

Mine is lighter, a 16" barrel with a telescoping buttstock and a little 1.5-4x Leupold as well as a flip up rear sight. I carried it as a patrol rifle as a cop before I retired, now it's become a Jeep Gun.

It's an awful lot of fun to show the AR-15 to a new shooter, and let them bang away with it for a while. The things look kind of intimidating, and bark pretty loudly (unless suppressed...) but typically have little recoil. They tend to produce Big Grins on folks who are shooting them.

Back during the whole Zumbo fiasco, I wasn't nearly as ticked off at old Jim as many were. I just thought of him as an example of a long-time shooter & hunter who simply didn't know much about the AR-15 rifle. He particularly didn't understand how many Americans absolutely love the doggone things! They're really become "America's Rifle" in many ways.

Competition, defense, coyote popping, serious varmint shooting... They're very useful.

Regards, Guy

 

[SJB358]

Very cool bunch of rifles Bear. I've got alot of time on the AR's and they are a very well built and designed firearm. Accurate as heck as well. Our snipers have even transitioned over to gas operated 300 Win Mags and cannot tell the difference in accuracy between the bolt guns, plus they like the rate of fire a little more..

 

[JD338]

Nice collection Bear.

JD338

 

[salmonchaser]

It took me a long time to warm up to the A.R. platform. Perhaps it was the combination of plastic, caliber and timing. I had adopted the poodle shooter mindset and thought a proper battle rifle should be an 03/a3, M1 Garand or an M 14 ( M1 A). I graduated high school at the end of the Vietnam war, never served ( life's great regret) became a cop at 35 and joined the swat team a year later. Went to swat basic down at Ft. Lewis armed with an M-16/A1. My world changed, a flash of light, an epiphany if you will. Swat tactics changed immensely over the next 20 years, the most dramatic occurred after the first gulf war followed by the disastrous command response at Columbine. As Guy and other Swat dogs know you can still go to a swat school and spend two days discussing these two impacts.
The upshot for my department and many others was a proliferation of AR-15 systems. I came to love the rifle, worked my way into positions where I was able to impact discussions on deployment and training, ultimately every member of the swat team had an assigned weapon, every patrol car, unmarked detective vehicle, every member of our undercover team and the school resource officers had an M-4 with an EOTECK. And I was in charge of their training. Life was good.
Long story short, in 1990 I was more of a Jim Zumbo guy, today just the opposite. The AR will never, in my mind, have the same appeal as a pre 64 model 70 with good wood, but nonetheless a very sound option with a huge range of applications.
I own two, perhaps I'll add to that, we'll see.

 

[BeeTee]

The tactical look created a marketing opportunity for manufacturers, and did provide new enthusiasm in what had been a pretty traditional market. The tactical look also, I think, appeals more-so to the younger among us.

The downside has been that manufacturers can push cheap plastic stocks and dull metalwork out the door that ultimately creates a "can opener utility" in thinking about firearms. Fine wood, fine metal finishes and precision tolerances cost money. The manufacturers were more than happy to push the unpolished black stuff out the door.

 

[Guy Miner]

Not much is more fun to shoot than a suppressed, full auto, 5.56 black rifle... :mrgreen:



Guy

 

[Thebear_78]

The front ar pictured is wearing the 6x45 upper I recently put together as a primarily hunting rig. Predators and light big game. It normally wears a 16" m4 style upper.

The collapsable m4 style stocks and light recoil make them uniquely suited for women and kids to shoot. Even my 7 yr old daughter likes shooting one.

For us grown ups I think of these things as Leggo's for gun guys. Very few tools or skill needed to build, change or accessorize. Now that the prices have dropped so low I think they will only become more popular.

As suppressed shooting gains more popularity I hope to see them someday become legal without any special regulations. Shooting suppressed is very fun, what's not to like about reduced noise and recoil!

Aluminum and plastic will never replace a beautiful wood stock or light and practical tradition styled hunting rifle as the ideal rifle in my eyes but they sure are s lot of fun and can be extremely accurate.


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[Bruce Mc]

Black rifles definately have their place and that place is different for different folks. My AR's place is next to me in my patrol car. We got Colt ARs before Columbine because of the heavy drug trafficking on the highway that goes through our town. After Columbine the training in the deployment of the rifles changed. And more importantly the mind set of police officers was returned to its former self. For years patrol officers were trained to not go in even when their mind and soul told them to do so. Wait for the SWAT team. Now we train them to do the things they were compelled to do all along. And the AR is the versatile and easily trained platform that enables them. Three cheers for the AR-15 A-4.

 

[longrangehunter]

Josh,

You can't show us eye candy like that without telling us at least a little of what they are? Start with the bolt tube gun in the middle, that looks like it would run against anything.

 

[Bruce Mc]

I was just a tad curious about the middle one also. It looks like some serious business.

 

[Thebear_78]

The middle rifle is an Eliseo RTS chassis with a rem 700p LTR barreled action. The action has been trued and oversize recoil lug installed and modified for the RTS chassis.
-Jewell HVR trigger with bottom safety
-AAC blackout flash hider
-AIC magazines
-magpul moe k2 grip.
-SWFA SS 16x42 mil quad reticle, freedom reaper mount

I just picked this one up and have yet to shoot it. I had wanted to build a tube gun ever since my buddy had one put together a few years ago. When this one showed up locally for $1500 I couldn't pass it up. The SWFA SS will probably get replaced down the road but looks good for now.

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[Thebear_78]

The rear rifle is a DPMS LR308 24" heavy barrel. It has proven quite accurate and is a consistent .5-.75 Moa performer but the trijicon lacks adjustment to get out past 750 yards without holdover.

DPMS LR308
-24" 1-10 heavy barrel
-magpul PRS and MOE+ furniture
-geiselle high speed NM trigger
-trijicon 5-20x50 accupoint mildot in PEPR mount.

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[Thebear_78]

Bottom rifle is one of my "Black Friday" specials with a 6x45 upper I recently put together.

PSA "freedom rifle" kit with bushmaster lower reciever. I picked up 3 of these kits on Black Friday. One for me and each of my kids. I put magpul MOE furniture and geissele SD-E trigger. Burris 3x ar sight.

The 6x45 upper is bushmaster reciever, ARStoner 20" 5r 1-8 twist barrel and brake, vx2 3-9x40. Haven't shot this yet either. Ordered the barrel and dies two years ago and finally got the barrel!


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[cloverleaf]

the bug has not bit, and the cash is not falling from the sky. But those are certainly nice looking rifles. To each his own. I certainly enjoyed shooting my brother in law's 300 blackout. Also, the idea of open "building your own" appeals to me as well. Maybe someday. CL

 

[HomerOz]

G'Day Fella's,

The Bear_78, nice lookin rifles you have there!

I'm a bit the same, in that I like my Practical, I like my Tactical but I also like my Classical rifles!
I just pick my days for each particular style!!!

Enjoy!

Doh!
Homer

 

[Thebear_78]

The sickness continues.... I just traded my DPMS LR308 for a KRG Xray chassis with remington 700 barreled action 260 remington.

KRG Xray chassis
Shilen 1-8 4 groove stainless barrel 22” threaded with cap
blueprinted rem 700 action
Lightwieght firing pin and extra strength firing pin spring
AIC magazines
Jard model H trigger set at 25 ounces
Nightforce 20 moa rail
Trijicon 5-20x50 accupoint mildot in IOR VTAC rings
Duracoated a flat black

I also got RCBS dies, 50 nosler 260 brass, 150 123gr amax and some plastic ammo boxes.

There are a few things I’d like to do to it yet like an oversize bolt knob and possibly fluting the bolt, getting a good bipod, and installing a rail and monopod at the rear of the stock.

Surprisingly this is lighter than you would think it would be. I might be even be practical to hunt with this rig.

 

[longrangehunter]

Josh, A lot of great parts on that one. It should be a really accurate gun if it was well taken care of, how many rounds had been fired through it?

The 260 Remington loves H4350 and VarGet with the 140's.