Tested my survival kit I carry in my hunting pack.

mcseal2

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Nov 1, 2010
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I got done building fence about 45 minutes before dark tonight and decided it would be a good time to test out my emergency overnight kit. I've done this before, but as I keep modifying the kit it is always a good idea to keep testing it. To try to keep it as realistic as possible, I just grabbed my pack that was still loaded from deer season and drove to one of our pastures. I wore what I was working in, fairly light layers since I was exerting myself pretty good. For the experiment I took off up a draw with about 30 minutes of light to find a spot to set up a quick camp. I knew there was a big bluff to block the north wind up the draw, so I found a fairly flat spot behind the bluff about halfway between the creekbed and top of the bluff. On the way in I grabbed some dry grass and what pieces of bark and reasonably dry wood I could gather. When I got there I found a decent campsite with 4 trees spaced close to where I wanted them, and a big deadfall nearby for firewood. My campsite decided I strung my paracord between 2 trees a shade over knee height for my tarp. Then I got my trotline cord and tarp (GI poncho) out and cut 4 stakes from a nearby sapling. I used these items to make a quick lean-to with a 6" overhang in front of the paracord ridgeline between the two trees. I drove my stakes in and tied them to the corner grommets of the tarp with the trotline cord. I've found keeping some small lengths of trotline cord in my pack comes in handy for many things (boot laces etc) and keeps me from having to cut my paracord up. I had a 6" overhang on the front of the shelter and the back was 6" off the ground with my set up. Doing this reminded me of why I have a larger tarp with grommets every 18" when I have a planned camp, 4 grommets leave alot to be desired. I could have found some pebbles along the creek and wrapped them in the tarp, then used my trotline cord to tie around the pebble and make more tie points. This tarp is light and doubles as rain gear, but at 55" by 87" a larger one gives you more options for shelter. I've been looking to upgrade to a Kifaru paratarp just haven't done it yet.

With the shelter up I started working on fire. In some conditions I'd have started the situation starting fire, but we had a couple inches of rain the last couple days, and today wasn't good drying weather so I knew fire would be a bit more challenging than normal. I was not wrong. I cleared a spot in the leaves and got my fire kit out of my pack. I took advantage of the last few minutes of light to gather small pieces of dry wood and bark to add to my tinder and some larger sticks to add later. I also found a nice flat piece of bark to start the fire on instead of wet ground. I used my Firesteel and a vaseline soaked cotton ball to get the fire started and then added my tinder bundle of dried grass and small sticks. While this was getting going I used my knife to make several "feather sticks" with the drier wood I had. A feather stick is one that has pieces of wood fluffed from the main branch with a knife and peeled back as if the stick was the trunk of a tree and the "feathers" off it were the branches. This exposes more dry surface to the flame. Anyway, I kept making and adding these while stacking the rest of my wood downwind of the fire and across a couple larger sticks to keep it off the ground while allowing the heat to start drying the wood. The fire took fairly constant attention, adding fuel and blowing on it, for about 30 minutes before I felt comfortable leaving it to burn for itself for a little bit. Then I got my headlamp and headed back to a cedar tree I'd passed a couple hundred yards back to cut enough limbs to keep me up off the wet ground for bedding in my little shelter. When I got back I stoked the fire again and gathered more wood. I used another piece of my trotline cord to run around the two trees on the open side of my lean-to behind my fire. Then I gathered some larger down limbs, to damp to burn right away, and stuck them in the gap between the sides of my loop of trotline cord between the trees. This let them serve as a makeshift reflector for my fire and got them drying so they could be burned later if necessary. I put the trotline cord high enough I didn't think it would burn through and it never did. At that point I was pretty well set. I lay my head on my pack, and curled up in fairly comfotable in my shelter on the cedar boughs and made some hot chocolate in my Snow peak mug next to the fire. I stayed until I got that drank and still felt pretty warm and comfortable. I'd think If I'd have broke out my Heatsheets bivy sack I could have stayed the night in reasonable comfort, and might even have got some sleep. I think in another hour or two I'd have had a good enough bed of coals to let me sleep for a while without worrying about the fire. The wet weather made the fire more challenging than normal, but that is why I practice.

My survival experience is very limited compared to some, and that the experiment I did tonight was not all that hard. I have camped with this kit during warmer months and the items included are the same. If anyone searches my old posts, you will find the list of what I pack so I won't go into that here. Just an idea that when you pack survival gear you should also practice with it. It will keep you from wasting valuable time and energy in a bad situation if you know exactly what you are doing. My camp was simple, but it was below freezing by the time I headed home and I was still warm even being dressed light.

I had a place on private land to practice where I didn't cause any damage also. The only trees affected were a dogwood sapling and a cedar that wouldn't have survived pasture burning next year anyway. If you have to practice on public land, you may need to modify your experiment to avoid any damage you may leave behind.
 
Great post MC- very well executed. Your raising the bar on rehearsing with your gear and equipment. Great job. Scotty
 
Thanks, I get into the survival skills more than most. I guess ranching and spending 90% of my waking hours outdoors makes me more aware and I'm cautious by nature anyway. It was a neat experiment and I had fun doing it. It will give me more confidence in my ability to spend the night next time I'm miles from the truck on a mountain in Wyoming still following a bull or buck at dark.

After watching Dual Survival on TV I started watching all Dave Cantebury's U-tube videos that pertain to what I want to learn. I like him because he is a hunter, he is the only TV survivalist that eats more meat than bugs!
 
MC, you certainly raise the bar and present a worthwhile challenge to each of us that spend time in the outdoors. Thanks for posting.
 
Very good post with lots of good information. It is good to practice, and it sure helps like you said to cut down on time when you know in your pack where everything is and that you have all the stuff you need.
 
Good info here.

Luckily the USAF taught me many many tricks to survival! I use to hate those week long field training exercises but they pay off even in civilian life.

Additionally my USAF buddies do what they call Survival weekend. They go up in the mountains with no food, no water firearms and good layered clothing.
They must kill small game to survive and find streams of water.

No lighters no matches no cooking accessories etc.


Tough as hell. I am going in February with them.
 
Thanks guys.

It always surprises me how un-prepared some people are, or how much stuff they carry they don't have any experience with. I have a friend that carries an un-opened magnesium fire starter
so if he ever needs it he can read the directions and see how it works. I told him that when he falls in a creek somewhere and needs to start a fire before hypothermia sets in isn't the time to be learning how to use it, or see if it works.

Couple ideas that may be of interest.

Something to always remember when loading a pack is that good tinder can be real hard to find when you need it, and bringing your own along is always a good idea. I likely could have got the fire started without my tinder, but I'd have had to use my lighter and gathered more dry grass. The wetfire cubes are great, as are vaseline soaked cotton balls. I have a little Mentos container with a dozen cotton balls plus 3 wetfire cubes in my kit. They don't weigh over an ounce all together. Each one will burn for well over 5 minutes, so I could keep flame going for well over an hour just by burning my tinder. I also carry my snow peak mug and esbit stove with 4 fuel tabs in addition to this, so I should always be able to make fire.

Another thing I started doing a couple years ago is using a short piece of trotline cord and duck tape to attach a mini BIC lighter to the keychains of all our ranch trucks and the polaris ranger. They come in handy for burning feed or mineral sacks, plus anytime I pull the keys and stick them in my pocket I have a way to start fire.

I'm also going to order a Kifaru paratarp today. I've been looking at them for a couple years and just haven't spent the money. Having a formed tarp to make a shelter will be quicker, roomier, and drier than my poncho. I think I'll still carry the poncho for a ground sheet or rain gear. That will up the weight of my whole survival kit to about 4lbs. It adds a little heft to the pack, but it also adds peace of mind and freedom in the way I hunt. If I get on an animal late in the day far from the trailhead having the gear to spend the night will let me hunt until dark and be in position at first light if necessary.
 
Hint.

Lint from the wife's dryer is the best fire starter I have ever used and so so light to carry!

Fill up a ziplock bag for 4 ounces of lifesaver!
 
FOTIS":1p8sj2dr said:
Good info here.

Luckily the USAF taught me many many tricks to survival! I use to hate those week long field training exercises but they pay off even in civilian life.

Additionally my USAF buddies do what they call Survival weekend. They go up in the mountains with no food, no water firearms and good layered clothing.
They must kill small game to survive and find streams of water.

No lighters no matches no cooking accessories etc.


Tough as hell. I am going in February with them.

Sounds like fun and really good practice. Firemaking without tools is a heck of a challenge, I've got it to work but never quickly or easily. I sure try to avoid ever having to rely on it but it's great to know. I never had any training so I read the US army and SAS survival books and then tried alot of the skills from them.

I've used the lint with my firesteel alot too, it lights great and works really well. I just prefer the cotton balls with vaseline because they burn so much longer.
 
"I also found a nice flat piece of bark to start the fire on instead of wet ground."

A thinking man. Good stuff MSeal.


This year while my 20 year old son and I were becoming human mountain goats, looking for the elusive Cascade mule deer, I asked him a couple of times if he'd seen anywhere that he would feel good about bivouacking for the night. He was probably getting a little worried that I really intended to stay out up there on the mountain overnight. I was however impressed with his answers. There were flat spots, sheltered spots, places with good rock faces that would serve as excellent heat reflectors. He'd seen the few water sources. It was good, knowing that the knowledge has made it into his young skull.

When the boys were in Scouts we always took them on a couple of winter camps. One year we had a really young troop for the most part, a lot of eleven and twelve year old boys, and the snowy, cold weather was pretty rough, so we elected to have them spend the night in the Scout Lodge instead of afield.

Before they headed in though - I gave them a lesson in building a snow trench for sleeping. They watched, not really believing that it would be prudent to sleep in it. After supper in the lodge I drifted away from them, into the quiet of the snow covered woods and enjoyed a peaceful night's sleep in my snow trench away from the lodge. The next morning, I was just waking up when I heard lots of footsteps heading my way. One young voice asked "Do you think he's alive?" :grin: I about cracked up! They got a good lesson, and on future camps, that group of kids stayed out in their own tents & snow shelters even in January and February here in the Cascades. Pretty cool.

Survival stuff is interesting. I'm no expert, not at all, but it sure is interesting.

Regards, Guy
 
Great post mcseal, I have only spent a couple of nights out hunting, (more working) but none of the times in nasty weather. Your testing is a great idea, and I will also look into one of those tarps. Right now my shelter is a great set of gortex rain gear I always carry in my pack. Great information.


Fotis spending the weekend out without weapons, matches, etc. sounds like great fun, I can't decide whether I would prefer that or wading in the hip deep icy water with Dr. Mike. Probably mike because that would mean moose meat.
 
Elkman":30ekneaa said:
Great post mcseal, I have only spent a couple of nights out hunting, (more working) but none of the times in nasty weather. Your testing is a great idea, and I will also look into one of those tarps. Right now my shelter is a great set of gortex rain gear I always carry in my pack. Great information.


Fotis spending the weekend out without weapons, matches, etc. sounds like great fun, I can't decide whether I would prefer that or wading in the hip deep icy water with Dr. Mike. Probably mike because that would mean moose meat.

The Kifaru tarps aren't cheap, but they are really nice. For 11oz plus whatever you want to carry for pegs and poles you have a pretty decent shelter that will keep you dry. I picked up a parastove off another forum's classifieds earlier this winter so I can even heat it if desired. I still need to get the stovepipe and the annex to add to the paratarp and then I will have a nice warm lightweight shelter for camping. I often camp on the river while catfishing and this will be much better than my old set-up. When I'm not camping the tarp can be separated from the rest and ride in my hunting pack.
 
This is a very cool post and has an interesting message in it. Being an outfitter and being from the North County you get to see some interesting things over the years. Were I live it is very possible to see Zero degrees F any year and below zero is very common towards the later part of the season . Toss in a storm and you have the reciept for one long cold nite if you have to spend it under the stars! I remember a few years ago one evening a fellow guide called me about 6 pm and said he had a lost hunter and needed a hand to get him out of the woods. Here in Northern Maine it is very common for people to get mixed up and not show up where they are soposed to . GPS has helped this alot but it still goes on all the time. Anyway it was a cold windy nite and they had been firing shots from where his pickup was found with no answers because of the wind. So because one of his hunting buddys was pretty sure he knew the area he planned to hunt , we decided to go take a look for this guy. It was about 30 miles from my place so by the time I got down there and back into the woods; it is now about 7:30 pm , we searched for hours, hollering and firing a handgun to no avail; but finally after hours of looking, and basically blowing police whistles,[after we ran outta shells; I thought I had heard a shot ???????????? So we both blew and blew those whistles; and darned if we hadnt as he fired another shot; but it was very buffled in the wind and sounded faint............ Come to find out we were actually only a few hundred yards from him, and appartly the high pitch of those whistles at that frequency?? got thur to him in that wind?? enough that he decided to fire his 06! Well it was now about 2am, and we were quite played out from thrashing around most of the nite, but after a quick look in that direction the shot had come from, we were soon with him, half frozen and major frightened; we found out he had of course stayed back there toooooooooo long; and then in the haste of trying to find his way out; and darkness overtaking him that he got compleatly confused, and lost his way; and when it became to dark to travel had sit down on a stump on the side of a hardwood ridge????? It was interesting he had worn layers of modern syn clothes and was nearly frozen, he obviously was in early stages of Hypothermia and was really in big trouble ........... he told me he tryed for hours to start a fire but just couldnt get one going and had poked himself in the face, with a dead branch of a tree he couldnt see as of course he had no flashlight; searching for wood after it was dark. His face was quite swollen around that place and turning black.
We decided to get him up and move him downhill and into the woods to get outta the wind and get a fire going . We both got a pole up on a couple of spruce trees and I began to look for boughs to put up against it towards the wind side and in less than 10 mins we had a little shanty lean too erected and we got some birchbark off a couple of trees and some dry branches and in a few more minutes we had a pretty cheerie fire blazing and got his boots off him and started to warm him up. Dave had brought one of those space blankets for him and I got him to take that coat he had on off[pile type coat that the wind was blowing straight thru it] and give it to me as I was still warm as toast and he put on my WOOL parka and in 30 mins he was coming around pretty darn good. I had also throw a pair of my wifes hand knit real wool socks in the game pocket and pulled them out and gave them to him; as the ones he had on were Synthetic garbage. There was no easy way outta there; and it was going to take nearly two hours to get back to the truck so we made the decision to stay until daylight.[Both our flashlights were showing signs of playing out shortly anyway]. So we gathered up more fir boughs and made up some "fir beds" to insulate us all from the ground . It got down to 5 above that nite, but with the fire blazing, and a positive state of mind it was bearable. My point is this guy was a very successful bussness man with a college degree but had NO IDEA how to save himself...........NONE. he didnt know where he was. He didnt have the basic instint in him to go down into the timber. He basically waited to long to try to build a place to spend the nite. He had a Bic lighter but really had NO CLUE how to build a fire without an AXE AND kEROSINE, I am not making fun of him I am only relating what happened. Of course the minute it started to get daylight; we hotfooted it outta there; and he kept up fine as he was compleatly back to normal; and ready to get to heck outta there too! I dont know how many times he thanked us at least 50 times and I think it was probably the most scared he had ever been in his life.................. he told me he had decided he would never get outta there, alive.
I asked him later why he hadnt moved off the ridge? and he told me that he didnt really want to head down into the woods in fear there may be a bear down there prowling around???????? HELLO he had shells and a 30/06.............. anyway he wrote a letter of recomendation to the govenor; and they sent us a fancy letter saying how thankful they are we had helped him. And I still get a Christmas card every year from him. And can still hear him saying "I just could not believe how fast you guys made that little bough shelter, and got that fire going! , and how darn warm that old wool coat of your was! If you knew how many people in todays world would do the EXACT same thing he did it would SHOCK YOU!
 
Great story and a perfect example of how little common sense some people have these days. In 15 minutes you had created a survivable situation where he had spent hours and accomplished nothing. He wasn't as dressed or prepared as you, but he had a bic lighter and I'll assume he had a knife since he was hunting. He could have improved his situation hours earlier with a little basic knowledge and judgement.

It is amazing to me how many people are completely unaware of their surroundings. I always pay attention to my backtrail and keep my directions straight. It is good to turn around and look behind you often so if you head back that way you will recognize landmarks. Things won't look the same as they did from the other direction all the time. Also make mental notes of things that could be of use later, a down tree that would offer shelter and firewood, a cattail patch that would be good tinder, a water source, etc. The later in the day and farther from civilization you get the more important this becomes. If you remember what you already passed you know if you should go back to spot to hole up, or if you need to look elsewhere.

I decided the other day to go squirrel hunting and test out the little Rossi Tuffy 22 I bought on a christmas sale the other day. I took my normal pack with a little food and water and headed out from the house. We had 2 inches of rain that turned into freezing rain over the last 48hrs, and it started snowing again while I was out hunting. I knew once the snow set in and sun went under the squirrel hunting was going to be real slow, so I decided to practice starting a fire for practice. It was tough! The grass was all covered in ice and bigger around then my finger, so I gathered some drier wood from some standing trees and cut some "feather sticks" like I described earlier. With the soaking rain and then inch of ice over everything it was really hard to get anything going. The air was so damp that I was having to re-light wetfire cubes and vaseline coated cotton balls, as they would go out on their own. I spent 20 minutes trying to get a decent size flame going without any luck. I could keep a small flame alive by feeding it twigs and feather sticks but that was about it, I never could get a hot enough flame to get anything larger to take. I think if I'd have had some pine or something instead of hardwoods, or if I'd wanted to split some wood with my knife and a baton to get to the dry wood inside I could have gotten a better fire. I didn't want to beat on my good knife when I was just doing it for practice. I think I'm going to add one of my lightweight hatchets and a good candle to my little pack for winter, as well as another pill bottle filled with Coglans fire paste. When I go coon hunting with my brother-in-law his dogs sometimes get lost and we end up out farther or longer than planned, won't hurt to have a little more insurance on getting a fire to wait around.
 
That was a good Maine survival story there 35 Whelen. Thanks for sharing it. Glad you guys were able to find him and save him.

Guy
 
Thanks for that guys and the point wasnt to spout off about what I know as far as taking care of myself as I am a third generation hunting and fishing guide so it would most certainly be expected that I dam well should know how to do all this stuff. And was certainly not making fun of him but did want to agree with mcseal about the fact that people shouldnt assume that their cell phone is always going to save them, or that their gps will never quit, or they will never get mixed up and have to spend a nite in the woods. People have lost alot of basic instincts that they used to have a hundred years ago...................... the avg guy is compleatly out of touch with alot of this stuff he and I are talking about on here.
It is sorta scary to me how outta it they have become as we become more and more high tech.
I also had another compleatly different save a few years back when I got a call from a local guy that sells outboards and boats in early May just a few days after the lakes went out around here. We where having one of those late spring snow storms and it was quite windy out that day and about 30 degrees outside. He was in a panic and claimed a guy that he had just sold a boat to was out on our lake and had called him and said they couldnt get the motor going and were drifting down into the rocks of the southern shore and needed help big time. He beged me to go out on the lake and look for them. He said that his 17 year old daughter and her boyfriend were with this dude. One of my guides happened to be here when the call came in and I asked him if he was interested in going out on the lake and he says "hell NO" but of course knew we had to go and fast. I pulled out my 17ft Lund boat with a 50hp Yamaha and we flew down to the landing and launched and started out across the lake and both of us had heavy clothing on to include thinsulate raincoats and wool pants and it was extreamly nasty conditions out there ................. I went out into the big part of the lake and there was approx 3-4ft whitecaps howling down the lake with long white streaks of foam tailing down the waves. We saw him about two miles down in the rockyest part of the lake. We finally got down there and it was sorta tooooooooooo late as he had already come right up onto a huge rock and sitting there rockin ontop of it and it looked as if you could NEVER get it off there. I was trying to hold the bow into the waves and Randy was trying to shoot them a line without going overboard himself! Somehow we managed to get a line onto their bow rails and dont ask me how we ever got it off there? As when I tryed to pull it at first; it wouldnt move; but as I held a steady pull on it a huge sorta rouge wave came down; and lifted me right up higher than any others; and when it hit him; it lifted that 18 Starcraft right off that rock for a split second and I had him in tow!!!!!!![Guess who was helping at that point?] His engine was stuck down; and he couldnt get it up without power so it took an hour to get him back up outta there.
We beached the boat as soon as we could[ back in the more protected part of the lake] and here comes the bad part.............. the boyfriend had on berumda shorts! and she had on an outfit like you would go down to Walmart in . The old man was also dressed like it was 50 degrees and no wind; they were by now 3/4 frozen, and all in stage of purple lips, and shaking uncontrolablely from the cold and scared to death.............. we loaded them all into my lund, and again Randy and I gave up our jackets, and I had some extra windbreakers in the bow of the lund[ to cover up there legs]; we only had to go another 20 mins; and I was near frozen without my raincoat just in that short time; until we hit shore . As we came ashore their motor fetched up in the down position; and we had to cut it loose so we could go into shore ourselfs. I got them into our truck and got the heater going full blast . The oldman and boyfriend could NOT speak a word by now and were in big trouble with hypothermia.................. the girl was crying uncontrolable with happyness as she was postive it was all over for them............ she told me afterwards she will never forget seeing that lund boat coming down that lake, if she lives to be a hundred years old........
It was great to be able to save them as the ambulance showed up and rushed them up to the hospital [50 miles away] and they all made it fine but it was close................
Again they had NO IDEA what in hell they were doing ........... they didnt know the lake and assumed that when they left in the morning before the storm hit that it was going to be a nice sunny day all day. They had no idea what to do once the motor wouldnt start or lift the motor .[Problems was the ground strap has loosened up]............ Anyway they could NOT save themselves and waited way to long to call for help and they could have very easily wound up in the water and then I would have been bring in three body not people had that happened . I would guess the water temperture was around 36-38 degrees that day ............... just another example of some of the pranks people do.................. unreal............. they samething could have happened to anyone . But how you handle it should be very different to how they did.................. anyone dressed like they were around here in early May is a total whacko !
 
Even people that know the dangers of the big woods and big water can get in trouble in a hurry. However, there is a reason for the law that those who are not locals must hire a guide to hunt in these northern woods, and it isn't totally related to the need to support the guide/outfitters. People from south of the 49th parallel and form Europe go for day hikes in the mountains only to disappear on a somewhat monotonous basis. It is a common story to read of rescues of individuals that weren't dressed for the weather and unprepared for the conditions they encountered.
 
I wasn't trying to sound like I knew everything about the outdoors either, I'm a 3rd generation rancher but the first of my family to hunt or fish much. My dad and grandpa never had much interest in staying outside to play after being outside working all day. I have been fortunate enough to have some good teachers help me along the way and an outdoor work environment to teach me what happens when things turn bad, and how FAST it can happen. I heard on the radio while feeding cows a few years back that farmer/rancher is the 4th most dangerous profession on earth, and it really got me thinking that maybe I should be prepared a little better for when things do go bad. Between what I've gotten into working and what I've gotten into playing it gets a guy thinking of what can happen.

35 Whelen if we could swap stories sometime, it would be interesting. I never stay home when asked to go help someone because my turn will come, and I'd hope for the same. It's not the smartest thing but I do it anyway. I've never gotten into anything like your story on the water for sure! I don't have a boat to hit big lakes with but I do have a 1648 modified V with a 31hp Mudbuddy and end up doing some rescue missions with on the river I catfish. I can get to places way to shallow to reach with an outboard or anything else but a canoe or air boat. One of my fishing buddies and lifelong friends is a game warden here, and I told him when he started if he needs my boat or my help just ask. I trust him with my boat and if it won't slow the process down I'll be there to run it with him.

I keep a waterproof dry bag with my river survival kit strapped to a spare life jacket in my boat at all times. The stretch of river we run is to shallow for many people to attempt it, and with good reason. We've had our share of break downs, overnighters, and long walks out. We fish and play on over 40 miles of river with 3 ramps. One thing agriculture will teach you is how to improvise to address breakdowns. I've got enough years in now to figure out a balance between weight and preparedness in the shallow water I run. Even in June and July I have enough warm gear along to survive a normal night out in January. Like you said, a warm day can turn nasty at any time and damp nights on the water are always colder than expected.

Technology is a great thing, and I use GPS, radios, cell phones, head lamps, etc but I don't rely on any of it. I kinda look at those things like tire plugs and a 12V air compressor. Real quick and easy when they work, but not a reason to leave the right equipment for the job at home. Murphy's law still applys. Actually many of the people that end up stuck or broke down on the roads around here are following GPS instructions, and not smart enough to realize that the road they are on is WAY to poor for their vehicle or driving ability. When you are in a car with 5" of ground clearance and see rocks 12" tall it's NOT a good idea to keep going. With our tall grass and vehicle exhaust temps it is also a fire hazard that could be disasterous to our livestock.

That "Guess who was helping at that point" quote figures into happy endings way to often to be coincidence also. And a big thanks goes out to the guy upstairs.
 
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