Testing continues.....300WM 150/165 grain ?

lhsako

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Jan 12, 2012
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In my quest to develop high performance loads, I'm seeking data for the 150/165 :idea: grain. My goal is to approach 3,400 FPS. Any loads that broke 3,300 and were chronographed would be greatly appreciated. I thank you all in advance!!!!!!
 
I ran some Hornady 165 Interbonds that were mighty close to the 3250 mark back in the day with the IMR4831 in my old Ruger 300 Win Mag.

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(W)
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler AccuBond 55602
Useable Case Capaci: 83.029 grain H2O = 5.391 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

11 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-25 109.4 83.3 5.40 3243 100.0 62000 13061 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 101.3 80.9 5.24 3239 99.8 62000 13569 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 103.1 80.6 5.23 3232 97.8 62000 13855 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.9 86.5 5.61 3231 98.7 62000 13621 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.7 86.4 5.60 3230 98.7 62000 13600 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 107.6 80.0 5.19 3221 98.2 62000 13434 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 101.8 80.0 5.19 3221 98.2 62000 13434 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 103.3 84.1 5.45 3219 96.5 62000 13897 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 94.8 77.3 5.01 3214 100.0 62000 12649 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 103.4 80.0 5.18 3208 99.1 62000 13349 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 103.4 80.0 5.18 3208 99.1 62000 13349 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 103.4 80.0 5.18 3208 99.1 62000 13349 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 91.9 73.8 4.78 3207 100.0 62000 12087 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 106.1 80.4 5.21 3207 99.0 62000 13361 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 106.1 80.4 5.21 3207 99.0 62000 13361 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 102.8 79.5 5.15 3205 98.1 62000 13297 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 106.6 84.7 5.49 3195 98.4 62000 13118 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 88.8 5.75 3190 93.1 56567 14743 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 103.1 86.0 5.57 3188 99.6 62000 12767 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 110.0 84.2 5.46 3182 98.2 58276 13749 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 110.0 84.2 5.46 3182 98.2 58276 13749 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 90.9 73.0 4.73 3182 100.0 62000 12002 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 90.9 73.0 4.73 3182 100.0 62000 12002 1.114 ! Near Maximum !
 
3,400 fps with a 165 grain bullet might be best left up to the big jugged rounds...such as the 300 Rem. Ultra Mag.

Be careful when you tickle the dragons tail...he has a nasty bite.
 
Even with 150's...3,400 fps is pushing it in the Win Mag.



Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(W)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler BalTip 30150
Useable Case Capaci: 83.557 grain H2O = 5.425 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 61000 psi, or 420 MPa
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

57 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 85%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ADI AR 2225 117.9 91.3 5.92 3377 99.7 61000 13842 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 117.9 91.3 5.92 3377 99.7 61000 13842 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 111.1 85.1 5.52 3362 100.0 61000 13180 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 103.1 82.8 5.37 3360 99.3 61000 13619 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 104.8 82.5 5.34 3346 96.7 61000 13782 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 109.2 81.7 5.30 3331 97.1 61000 13365 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 103.3 81.7 5.30 3331 97.1 61000 13365 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 86.0 5.57 3330 95.2 61000 13775 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 81.8 5.30 3324 98.3 61000 13337 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 107.8 82.2 5.32 3322 98.2 61000 13341 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 104.2 81.2 5.26 3314 97.0 61000 13212 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 92.5 74.7 4.84 3313 100.0 61000 12133 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 104.7 87.8 5.69 3300 98.9 61000 12760 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 108.0 86.4 5.60 3297 97.2 61000 13022 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 113.5 86.5 5.61 3294 97.2 61000 12980 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 113.5 86.5 5.61 3294 97.2 61000 12980 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 101.1 77.5 5.02 3283 98.1 61000 12637 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 101.6 78.3 5.07 3278 98.2 61000 12701 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 97.2 77.3 5.01 3278 99.7 61000 12410 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 91.8 74.8 4.85 3277 99.3 61000 12452 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 91.8 74.8 4.85 3277 99.3 61000 12452 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 96.8 73.7 4.78 3261 100.0 61000 11949 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.0 74.0 4.79 3260 100.0 61000 12076 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 96.0 73.9 4.79 3256 100.0 61000 11939 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 96.4 76.7 4.97 3254 97.9 61000 12375 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 102.8 80.0 5.19 3247 96.3 61000 12432 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 106.9 80.0 5.19 3247 96.3 61000 12432 1.074 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 101.5 74.9 4.85 3241 100.0 61000 11694 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 87.5 71.8 4.65 3234 100.0 61000 11395 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 87.2 67.2 4.35 3233 100.0 61000 11431 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 105.1 80.9 5.24 3227 99.7 61000 11909 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 88.0 67.8 4.39 3225 100.0 61000 11400 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 100.2 81.4 5.27 3225 98.0 61000 12038 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 88.5 68.1 4.42 3221 100.0 61000 11301 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 107.1 81.6 5.29 3221 98.6 61000 11875 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 99.3 74.0 4.80 3220 100.0 61000 11030 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 89.4 70.4 4.56 3218 100.0 61000 11548 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 99.1 74.7 4.84 3217 98.8 61000 11762 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 97.2 74.5 4.83 3216 98.9 61000 11743 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 90.0 68.2 4.42 3209 100.0 61000 11002 1.076 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 85.4 65.8 4.26 3208 100.0 61000 11125 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 85.0 65.5 4.24 3208 100.0 61000 11060 1.088 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 89.7 69.8 4.52 3207 100.0 61000 11116 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 107.1 79.1 5.12 3200 97.0 61000 11801 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 91.3 71.3 4.62 3197 98.9 61000 11607 1.088 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 90.9 67.7 4.39 3191 100.0 61000 11003 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 90.6 67.7 4.39 3191 100.0 61000 11003 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 91.4 66.5 4.31 3184 100.0 61000 10819 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 87.3 62.9 4.07 3175 100.0 61000 10272 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 86.5 65.2 4.22 3166 100.0 61000 10593 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 89.1 67.2 4.35 3161 100.0 61000 10446 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 96.9 70.4 4.56 3153 100.0 61000 10382 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 85.7 65.0 4.21 3151 100.0 61000 10240 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 87.9 68.5 4.44 3150 100.0 61000 10367 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 91.4 73.4 4.76 3146 98.7 61000 10965 1.092 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 85.7 65.3 4.23 3133 100.0 61000 10190 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 87.8 66.3 4.29 3122 100.0 61000 9864 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135 93.1 65.0 4.21 3111 100.0 61000 9642 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133 87.8 61.9 4.01 3059 100.0 61000 9092 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
 
Ridgerunner665":1fpxnt6o said:
3,400 fps with a 165 grain bullet might be best left up to the big jugged rounds...such as the 300 Rem. Ultra Mag.

Be careful when you tickle the dragons tail...he has a nasty bite.
>>> HMMMMM, the nosler man. lists 3,420 for the 150 w/ 74 grs IMR4350....do any of you have experience w/ this load?
 
With 78.1grs of IMR4350 I got 3463FPS SD29 in a Ruger M77 rifle using 150gr PAR and BT.
With 73.5grs of Hybrid100 I got 3345FPS SD12 using 150gr Nosler BT bullets in the same rifle.
 
Divernhunter":zhz27gjv said:
With 78.1grs of IMR4350 I got 3463FPS SD29 in a Ruger M77 rifle using 150gr PAR and BT.
With 73.5grs of Hybrid100 I got 3345FPS SD12 using 150gr Nosler BT bullets in the same rifle.
did these load shoot well?
 
I use 78.0-79.0grs of IMR-7828 behind a 165gr bullet in several different 300WinMags. They all shoot very well but I don't have the velocities. Just know that one of my buddies has used that load and taken several deer at 600yds and a coyote at 800yds. He is using a big Zeiss with a calibrated elevation knob. Rick.
 
My question is: Why?? If you want 3400 fps from a 150 gr .308 bullet get a bigger case, like a .300 Weatherby?
 
If you want a screamer and a great bullet consider the 130 ttsx at 3530. This bullet will outperform 165 cup n core at these velocities.
I'd have to check my records but I believe the load was 85.0 7828ssc and was right on par w/ql predictions in my 25" tikka.
This gun has freebore and a different gun might hit this w/lower charges. It was very accurate at 200 yds.
 
kraky, at one time I had a 300RUM with a 28" barrel and a 300WinMag with a 30" bbl. Both of them gave 3500fps with a 165gr bullet, cup and core. Both killed deer from up close to 600yds without a problem. Really don't need a solid to kill deer. I prefer to shoot heavier bullets in the bigger 30 cals. rick.
 
I realize the bigger bullets w/higher BC stay in the air better.
I'm not sure what the OP wanted when he described "high performance" but speed seemed to be a component.
Where I sit for deer hunting my Max clear shot is about 350 yds. Its a logging road...by the time you see deer crossing you better assess the animal and get a shot off soon. A load like the 130 ttsx provides point blank "point and shoot" performance. Not that i really sit w/a 300 mag for deer but some may like a load like that....just put it out there for consideration.
 
125gr Ballistic tip will run 3500fps out of a 24" Ruger 300 win mag. H414/W760. Max load of H4350 will push a 150gr to 3300fps
 
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