The Whelen is sending the 338 Win mag packing

[SJB358]

Charlie, I am setting at an airport reading this thread and I find myself feeling a bit worried as I head for my next hunt using the the old and outdated 300 and 375 H & H.. Charlie or Scotty or anyone, could someone please print out the ballistics and trajectory of the 35 whelen and the 340 weatherby for me. Being a simple country girl I think I missed something. Keep it simple for me, say a 200 or 225 gr with what the Velocity, energy, and trajectory would be at say 300 yards Please compare apples to apples--dont hand load one to the max and store buy the other. Just curious thank you

A, I did exactly that on another thread not too long ago, just for grins as Sean asked me to do the same thing. I don't think there is enough difference to 300 yards to make a difference. There is a difference, I am not debating that one bit, but energy and trajectory really are pretty close, as you push out to 400+, the 340 takes over cause of sleeker bullets and such, but out to 300, even the best rifleman on here would have a hard time showing a distinct advantage.

I actually am a fan of the 340's ballistics. But, I wanna capitalize on it for longer shooting, and well, it is different. I think I ran the table for 225's in the 338-06 and 250's in the 340 Wby and 35 Whelen. I know you love your H&H and you should, but the Whelen is a hard cartridge to argue with with 250's around 2600 or so. I think most of the difference on them all is the nut behind the gun, not the cartridge loaded in the chamber.

I found it

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=19890&p=185054&hilit=35+Whelen#p185054

You'll have to do a little reading, but it is all there.

 

[SJB358]

Man, you guys are not only drinking the Cool Aid, you have it running in your veins! :mrgreen:

You gotta be passionate about something! :mrgreen:

 

[Africa Huntress]

Thanks Scotty, I may have to start using one. I may also need to replace the fellow that does our reloading as he is showing the 340 is at 2336/3101 with a 7.1 inch drop at 300. I am getting 2274/2670 with a 7.51 drop at 300 with my 375. If I read your post correctly the Whelen is 2086/2415 with a 8.9 drop at 300.

of course the animal will never know which gun was used if the hunter does his part correctly.

Jerry has a Whelen somewhere and when time permits I will spend some time with it. Who knows after all these years I might start using it in place of the 300 and 375.

Scotty, I think you are very close to going home and Jerry and I will continue to pray for your safety until your back home in the arms of your wife and chidren

 

[Oldtrader3]

Aleena: Here goes. I had to use the 200 grain Hornady for the .35 Whelen, so I will use the same 200 gr bullet for the .340 Weatherby.

.35 Whelen, 200 Grain Hornady Factory Ammo:
MV/Energy, 100 Vel/Energy, 200 Vel/Energy, 300 Vel/Energy, 400 Vel/Enegy
2910/3760, 2277/2303, 1993/1764, 1732/1332, 1499/997
Drop: +1.90, 0.00, -8.60, -26.00

.340 Weatherby, 200 Grain Weatherby (Hornady) Factory Ammo:
MV/Energy, 100 Vel/Energy, 200 Vel/Energy, 300 Vel/Energy 400 Vel/Energy
3225/4620, 2984/3955, 2755/3372, 2538/2862, 2331/2414
Drop: +1.50, 0.00, -3.50, -7.60,

These cartridges are not even close! This is entire business is some sort of Testoterone fueled, liquid projection distance contest. If you have boys or brothers, you will understand this. The numbers speak for themselves and most people do not bother to read ballistic charts! The Whelen is a good cartridge and is quite effecient for a .30-06 based case but it does not use 90.0 grains of powder for a 200 grain bullet as the .340 does and does not get 3225 fps muzzle velocity.

This is kind of an eye chart because the software will not column align as I laid it out but you can see the difference.

 

[SJB358]

Thanks Scotty, I may have to start using one. I may also need to replace the fellow that does our reloading as he is showing the 340 is at 2336/3101 with a 7.1 inch drop at 300. I am getting 2274/2670 with a 7.51 drop at 300 with my 375. If I read your post correctly the Whelen is 2086/2415 with a 8.9 drop at 300.

of course the animal will never know which gun was used if the hunter does his part correctly.

Jerry has a Whelen somewhere and when time permits I will spend some time with it. Who knows after all these years I might start using it in place of the 300 and 375.

Scotty, I think you are very close to going home and Jerry and I will continue to pray for your safety until your back home in the arms of your wife and chidren

I think you would like it A. It is another oldy too. Having what you have already, I am not sure I would ever give them up for a Whelen, but it does work well when loaded up properly. To be honest, I would use it or have so much faith in it as my primary elk rifle if I hadn't already have seen how it works and shoots.

Thanks A. I am traveling now as well. Hope your traveling is going well too.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Why do I get suckered into doing all of this work and wasting my time when everybody has already decided, despite the facts? :roll:

 

[DrMike]

Charlie, never let facts get in the way of a good argument. :twisted:

 

[Oldtrader3]

That is for sure! :shock:

 

[alaska100]

Charlie, Aleena, We have had the same experience. We have all four 338, 340, 375 and 35. The 35 can be loaded to equal the 338. But we have found we can get more with the 375 than we can the 35 and the 35 lags way behind the 340. We have someone in our family that spends an ungodly amount of time playing with these guns ( and others ) and reloading. IMHO Charlie and aleena are correct about the difference between the 340 and 35. And I will bet she is getting as much out of her 375 as she could out of a 35 and with a larger bullet. One thing is for certain A, you are correct, if the shooter does his job the animal is not going to know the difference between the four calibers. But as mike said, it is fun to have a friendly argument about the difference. In our family the preference seems to run 375, 340, 35, and the 338 bringing up the rear.

 

[Oldtrader3]

This is kind of like arguing about how many nymphs can dance on the head of a pin! In reality, in the field, all four calibers will expeditiously kill most game. If I had to choose one rifle for everything, it would be the .375 Ouch & Ouch. However, the other three calibers will do just fine for all North American hunting.

 

[SJB358]

I agree. The 375 hole is pretty impressive too! You just never know what'll end up in our hands! Speaking of which, time to get the Whelen tuned up!