Unique quickload request

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bob_dobalina

Handloader
Oct 6, 2009
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Here's a fun challenge if anyone is bored - can quick-load provide a few good loads for a 25/284 with a Berger 133 or the new 134 ELD-M? I have the 25-06 load data from Berger and am interested in comparing. I just emailed Hornady as well.
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .25-284 Win
Bullet             : .257, 133, Berger Elite Hunt #25586
Useable Case Capaci: 54.403 grain H2O = 3.532 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   81    38.16   2583    1970   48127  10256    100.0    1.291
-09.0   81    38.58   2606    2005   49470  10327    100.0    1.274
-08.0   82    39.01   2629    2041   50845  10395    100.0    1.258
-07.0   83    39.43   2652    2077   52253  10463    100.0    1.242
-06.0   84    39.86   2675    2112   53695  10530    100.0    1.226
-05.0   85    40.28   2697    2148   55172  10597    100.0    1.210  ! Near Maximum !
-04.0   86    40.70   2720    2184   56685  10664    100.0    1.195  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   87    41.13   2742    2220   58235  10730    100.0    1.181  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   88    41.55   2764    2257   59823  10795    100.0    1.166  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   89    41.98   2786    2293   61450  10860    100.0    1.152  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   90    42.40   2808    2329   63117  10924    100.0    1.138  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   90    42.82   2830    2366   64824  10988    100.0    1.124  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   91    43.25   2852    2402   66574  11051    100.0    1.111  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   92    43.67   2874    2439   68367  11114    100.0    1.097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   93    44.10   2896    2476   70205  11176    100.0    1.084  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   94    44.52   2917    2513   72089  11237    100.0    1.072  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
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Code: 
Cartridge          : .25-284 Win
Bullet             : .257, 133, Berger Elite Hunt #25586
Useable Case Capaci: 54.403 grain H2O = 3.532 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63850 psi, or 440 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

14 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 76 *C               108.4     58.5     3.79    3070   100.0    63850   14851   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 *C               99.8     53.8     3.49    3013   100.0    63850   13783   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 *C               110.0     59.8     3.88    3000    97.8    61265   15145   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 *C              108.8     54.3     3.52    2997   100.0    63850   13424   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                105.4     56.4     3.66    2995    99.3    63850   14120   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  105.2     56.3     3.65    2994    99.3    63850   14094   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C                       100.8     52.7     3.42    2994   100.0    63850   13961   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C                 102.6     52.6     3.41    2991    98.6    63850   14360   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 *C                 110.0     58.2     3.77    2983    94.8    59375   15524   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    102.8     54.8     3.55    2983    97.4    63850   14458   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       101.3     52.2     3.38    2982    98.9    63850   13908   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           107.1     52.2     3.38    2982    98.9    63850   13908   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N565 *C*T               107.4     55.3     3.58    2972    98.7    63850   14210   1.138  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N568 *C*T               110.0     57.6     3.73    2971    97.1    60393   14865   1.147  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        102.4     51.9     3.36    2968    98.8    63850   13780   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C              102.9     52.1     3.38    2967    99.6    63850   13785   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C                    102.9     52.1     3.38    2967    99.6    63850   13785   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       102.9     52.1     3.38    2967    99.6    63850   13785   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C                94.3     50.4     3.26    2966   100.0    63850   12972   1.116  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     105.6     52.4     3.40    2966    99.5    63850   13804   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        105.6     52.4     3.40    2966    99.5    63850   13804   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 *C                     110.0     55.2     3.57    2965    99.0    61419   14306   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        110.0     55.2     3.57    2965    99.0    61419   14306   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214                        106.2     55.3     3.58    2963    99.1    63850   13610   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T                91.4     48.1     3.11    2952   100.0    63850   12384   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     102.6     56.0     3.63    2951    99.9    63850   13181   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      104.1     51.8     3.36    2936    98.5    63850   13474   1.125  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT *C ~approximation    106.0     54.2     3.51    2935    97.2    63850   13612   1.111  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T                95.3     46.6     3.02    2932   100.0    63850   12303   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T            95.3     46.6     3.02    2932   100.0    63850   12303   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T               90.4     47.6     3.08    2930   100.0    63850   12295   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            90.4     47.6     3.08    2930   100.0    63850   12295   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                         99.2     49.5     3.21    2928    99.5    63850   13068   1.115  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T           104.6     51.3     3.32    2926   100.0    63850   12289   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP36 ZT *C *T               104.6     51.3     3.32    2926   100.0    63850   12289   1.133  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C               99.7     50.0     3.24    2926    99.5    63850   13139   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T               101.4     49.9     3.23    2921   100.0    63850   12476   1.152  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                 96.0     49.7     3.22    2920   100.0    63850   12772   1.128  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         100.5     50.4     3.27    2919    99.5    63850   13048   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 92.2     49.3     3.19    2917   100.0    63850   12671   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      95.3     49.3     3.20    2916   100.0    63850   12654   1.129  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        90.0     47.7     3.09    2916   100.0    63850   12725   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      90.0     47.7     3.09    2916   100.0    63850   12725   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   93.8     49.3     3.19    2913   100.0    63850   12413   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     54.6     3.54    2910    98.6    60284   13436   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 *T                   110.0     54.6     3.54    2910    98.6    60284   13436   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 *C              110.0     59.8     3.88    2907    94.1    55622   15076   1.186  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 *T                   105.0     51.2     3.32    2904    98.2    63850   12995   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T                101.0     51.2     3.32    2904    98.2    63850   12995   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C                        94.7     49.0     3.18    2903    99.4    63850   12809   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           97.7     49.0     3.18    2903    99.4    63850   12809   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         97.7     49.0     3.18    2903    99.4    63850   12809   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        96.7     48.2     3.12    2894   100.0    63850   11749   1.142  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C*T                92.2     47.2     3.06    2893   100.0    63850   12253   1.139  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C                        94.8     47.0     3.05    2893   100.0    63850   12106   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          94.9     47.1     3.05    2892   100.0    63850   12103   1.136  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR                         92.5     46.4     3.01    2891   100.0    63850   12096   1.130  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                        99.9     50.6     3.28    2889    99.8    63850   12540   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       93.9     47.1     3.05    2887   100.0    63850   12064   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              98.4     52.0     3.37    2881    99.4    63850   12493   1.127  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation     95.4     48.6     3.15    2879    99.9    63850   12308   1.135  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                       98.6     48.8     3.16    2877    98.8    63850   12522   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 *C                 105.2     52.2     3.38    2875    99.7    63850   12265   1.132  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            99.5     47.8     3.10    2875   100.0    63850   11849   1.144  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         108.8     51.6     3.34    2874   100.0    63850   12145   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      102.9     51.6     3.34    2874   100.0    63850   12145   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T              102.3     49.9     3.23    2871    98.4    63850   12590   1.122  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350               94.7     47.0     3.04    2864   100.0    63850   12088   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          94.7     47.0     3.04    2864   100.0    63850   12088   1.141  ! Near Maximum !
 
The data base I am using doesn't contain the 134 grain ELD-M.
 
Thanks DrMike! Would 4064 be your choice then? I don't see it on the other list. I do have some MRP though, would that be a good one? I was thinking MRP/RL22, retumbo, rl26.
 
I simply used IMR4064 to get me into the right area and to give me an idea from whence to cast my net for all the other propellants. I should imagine that to a great extent, propellant availability will dictate, at least in part, which powder you focus on. Because I'd already generated the data for 4064, I simply put it up.
 
bob_dobalina said:
Thanks DrMike! Would 4064 be your choice then? I don't see it on the other list. I do have some MRP though, would that be a good one? I was thinking MRP/RL22, retumbo, rl26.
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I should imagine that any of those propellants you name would be a good choice. I have enjoyed good success with MRP & RL22 in the past on a number of similar cartridges.
 
DrMike said:
I should imagine that any of those propellants you name would be a good choice. I have enjoyed good success with MRP & RL22 in the past on a number of similar cartridges.
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Are your list of all powders basically displaying max charge?
 
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