Ridgerunner665
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Agreed....
Long time fan of the 350 myself...I've owned several.
Long time fan of the 350 myself...I've owned several.
Weatherby rounds' case stretch?
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For a belted round,
7mm-350 Rem Mag would be close, I think...neck is a little short though.[/quote]
Short??? .355" before reduced?? ( I think) What am I missing there?
God Bless
Bedtime here in the corn belt.
Later gang and THANK YOU all for the input so far.
For a belted round,
7mm-350 Rem Mag would be close, I think...neck is a little short though.[/quote]
Short??? .355" before reduced?? ( I think) What am I missing there?
God Bless
Bedtime here in the corn belt.
Later gang and THANK YOU all for the input so far.
Ridgerunner665
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Looked at SAAMI drawing...
By golly you're right...I didn't realize it was that long, never had reason to measure just the neck...at a glance, it doesn't appear that long.
By golly you're right...I didn't realize it was that long, never had reason to measure just the neck...at a glance, it doesn't appear that long.
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Ridgerunner665
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I remember when you were doing that...followed it then...nicely done.
Oldtrader3
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Kraky, the Savage 99 was rear recoil lugs which allowed the bolt to compress slightly more than a bolt action each time it was fired. The model 1895 Winchester rifles did the same thing when loaded with the .30-06.
The large case capacity Weatherby's with the double radius shoulder allow some stretching in the case body and in the radii. I noticed with my .340 Mark V, that I had to adjust my dies to set back the headspace by approximately .003/.004 each firing. That is why I used Forster dies for Full Length Resize, because they carefully controlled and made the shoulder radii the right shape in order to set headspace exactly where it belonged.
The large case capacity Weatherby's with the double radius shoulder allow some stretching in the case body and in the radii. I noticed with my .340 Mark V, that I had to adjust my dies to set back the headspace by approximately .003/.004 each firing. That is why I used Forster dies for Full Length Resize, because they carefully controlled and made the shoulder radii the right shape in order to set headspace exactly where it belonged.
kraky":3nj5yqsz said:
It's there. I bump standard stuff .0015 and the WSM's get .002/.003 in order to lighten up the next chambering. I have found no detriment to sizing the WSM brass a little more. The 270 and 7mm WSM have been about as easy as it gets in finding accuracy, add RL22 under some good heavier bullets and they'll shoot. I know, crazy stuff.. My 270 WSM never required me to mess with seating depth either, which looking back is a little odd, but they still shoot, so I am not complaining.
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Interesting. So you want a long necked, really short, belted magnum. Okay...
Cool. I'll be watching with interest.
As far as the Weatherby shoulder & case stretching, I've not noticed any undue stretching from the .257 Wby, but the dies are set to headspace on the shoulder. I like that with belted magnums in general.
Best of luck with your latest quest for the "just right" cartridge.
Regards, Guy
Cool. I'll be watching with interest.
As far as the Weatherby shoulder & case stretching, I've not noticed any undue stretching from the .257 Wby, but the dies are set to headspace on the shoulder. I like that with belted magnums in general.
Best of luck with your latest quest for the "just right" cartridge.
Regards, Guy
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The one thing I've failed to get through to many who snub the belted mag rounds is you don't HAVE TO headspace off the belt...UNLESS you have inadequate shoulder area, and IMHO I can find NO downside to having two areas to lock in a headspace even though so many claims the belt "causes" separation.
If separation occurs in only a few loads, it's the loader's fault, not the design so I too headspace off the shoulder, in everything, since I don't own any rounds with little shoulder.
My love affair with the belted case is not BECAUSE of the belt but more the capacity per inch of body being the higher end of "mid range" (and the fact that the BRASS is EVERYWHERE). The belt is just there and I've seen ZERO reasons to call such an issue and rather LIKE the appearance too. :wink:
I've often thought the ONLY way to improve the 35 Whelen or 375 Whelen would be to ADD a belt. LOL STILL set the dies to headspace off the shoulder (tight) but have the belt as "insurance".
Don't flame me. PLEASE?.....all in good fun (pretty much. :lol: ) I know "I'm weird".
Unless I have forgotten one, SHORT action belted rounds have only been attempted a couple times and IMO the ills of that production tarred the brush that colors all similar rounds to many. THOSE rounds simply were A. Too long case wise and B. INITIALLY put in less than what rifle I feel these rounds would best perform, mostly due to barrel length as far as RIFLE goes . While the 700 BDL with 24 inch barrel WAS around (a very short time) these rounds were in the short, short 600 Remington initially and again in the 660 and it wasn't till 4 years later (the damage was done) in the above mentioned 700 bdl. Remington's pin ball machine had to be going "TILT!! TILT!!.
BTW.....some may have noticed but a nicer 700 BDL in 350 mag just sold on GB recently for 2K. A NIB 700 BDL in 6.5 mag also sold at 3K, with shipping.
DANG.......I should have bought a gross of them in 1969!!
AT any rate. This build is just one thing on this ol' farts "bucket list" to take a shot at building a short action belted round that I believe will be highly efficient just for chits and giggles to finally answer the question that has nagged me for decades and decades.
EVEN IF......a "failure" (but I would give odds it will not be), the round will still "work", still "be mine" and still be fun working on.
It would be more fun if current health issues didn't shoot working while doing so.....dead, Bang-flop, and Uncle Sam's disability BS didn't take sometimes YEARS to git-r-done. :evil: Allegedly "it will be done within in the next 12 months" (Good heavens! As always it is He that provides for me as He chooses and I cannot do more than give thanks for such. Faith. One must hang onto it!!)
Glass half full, there is an end in sight (just not a close one) and while funds will come......s l o w l y, I do have "lots of time" to work on it. LOL!! Actually, I've talked to a local guy about any interest IN one and having some financial backing (but be MY reamer for work done) and them having access to said reamer for a build. I would be glad to help with finding a donor rifle of their choice and coordinating all the necessary ins and outs of a build. Personally, I think I'll find one person to finance the reamer in order for them to be able to use it and have my help in a search for a donor and such. I have one person "on the fence" and is more than half interested in financing the whole shebang. Who knows. Nothing ventured.........
When finished others liking it or not will depend as all such actions always do as I mentioned earlier.
Simply put....one finds what one LOOKS FOR:
A reason to like it,
A reason to NOT like it or......
"It's neat but I don't "need" one".
That one always cracks me up. NEED? Lord almighty. If we ONLY purchased or built things we truly NEED, one would not have much!
BTW.......I don't feel this round will rate any "magnum" rating and not intended to have such. Belted yes, magnum, no. FWIW.
Forgive the "in the wrong forum" addition here but STILL looking for a Redding 270 Wby trim die and have a swap in the classifieds.
God Bless
If separation occurs in only a few loads, it's the loader's fault, not the design so I too headspace off the shoulder, in everything, since I don't own any rounds with little shoulder.
My love affair with the belted case is not BECAUSE of the belt but more the capacity per inch of body being the higher end of "mid range" (and the fact that the BRASS is EVERYWHERE). The belt is just there and I've seen ZERO reasons to call such an issue and rather LIKE the appearance too. :wink:
I've often thought the ONLY way to improve the 35 Whelen or 375 Whelen would be to ADD a belt. LOL STILL set the dies to headspace off the shoulder (tight) but have the belt as "insurance".
Don't flame me. PLEASE?.....all in good fun (pretty much. :lol: ) I know "I'm weird".
Unless I have forgotten one, SHORT action belted rounds have only been attempted a couple times and IMO the ills of that production tarred the brush that colors all similar rounds to many. THOSE rounds simply were A. Too long case wise and B. INITIALLY put in less than what rifle I feel these rounds would best perform, mostly due to barrel length as far as RIFLE goes . While the 700 BDL with 24 inch barrel WAS around (a very short time) these rounds were in the short, short 600 Remington initially and again in the 660 and it wasn't till 4 years later (the damage was done) in the above mentioned 700 bdl. Remington's pin ball machine had to be going "TILT!! TILT!!.
BTW.....some may have noticed but a nicer 700 BDL in 350 mag just sold on GB recently for 2K. A NIB 700 BDL in 6.5 mag also sold at 3K, with shipping.
DANG.......I should have bought a gross of them in 1969!!
AT any rate. This build is just one thing on this ol' farts "bucket list" to take a shot at building a short action belted round that I believe will be highly efficient just for chits and giggles to finally answer the question that has nagged me for decades and decades.
EVEN IF......a "failure" (but I would give odds it will not be), the round will still "work", still "be mine" and still be fun working on.
It would be more fun if current health issues didn't shoot working while doing so.....dead, Bang-flop, and Uncle Sam's disability BS didn't take sometimes YEARS to git-r-done. :evil: Allegedly "it will be done within in the next 12 months" (Good heavens! As always it is He that provides for me as He chooses and I cannot do more than give thanks for such. Faith. One must hang onto it!!)
Glass half full, there is an end in sight (just not a close one) and while funds will come......s l o w l y, I do have "lots of time" to work on it. LOL!! Actually, I've talked to a local guy about any interest IN one and having some financial backing (but be MY reamer for work done) and them having access to said reamer for a build. I would be glad to help with finding a donor rifle of their choice and coordinating all the necessary ins and outs of a build. Personally, I think I'll find one person to finance the reamer in order for them to be able to use it and have my help in a search for a donor and such. I have one person "on the fence" and is more than half interested in financing the whole shebang. Who knows. Nothing ventured.........
When finished others liking it or not will depend as all such actions always do as I mentioned earlier.
Simply put....one finds what one LOOKS FOR:
A reason to like it,
A reason to NOT like it or......
"It's neat but I don't "need" one".
That one always cracks me up. NEED? Lord almighty. If we ONLY purchased or built things we truly NEED, one would not have much!
BTW.......I don't feel this round will rate any "magnum" rating and not intended to have such. Belted yes, magnum, no. FWIW.
Forgive the "in the wrong forum" addition here but STILL looking for a Redding 270 Wby trim die and have a swap in the classifieds.
God Bless
I've got 257, 270, 300, 340, 30378 weatherby. Never had a problem w/case growth or need of excessive trimming. I simply bump the shoulders. 002 or less. I use hornady, redding and Forster dies on these. I even use my 2506 #and 270 win lee collect dies to neck size the 257 and 270 wby. (Using washers on top of the shellholders to make up dimensional differences)
Until this thread popped up I've always considered everything about the workings of the cases to be as normal and simple as any other casing. I also use Sinclair inserts to measure the point of needing a trim....alot of my cases never even need a trim over the 5-6 full power reloads I consider safe case life w/full power loads.
Until this thread popped up I've always considered everything about the workings of the cases to be as normal and simple as any other casing. I also use Sinclair inserts to measure the point of needing a trim....alot of my cases never even need a trim over the 5-6 full power reloads I consider safe case life w/full power loads.
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