Oldtrader3
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I have never felt the need for humility with using .270 while hunting, maybe a .243 instead?
Why do companies keep producing new 7mm Magnums?
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BeeTee
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nvbroncrider":3ne0oysn said:
The various 7 Mags come pretty close to the ideal when considering PBR, adequate+ energy on target, and tolerable recoil. I think Nosler deserves some of the credit too. So many different versions of the 7 Mag exist, I suspect, because some particular company or another wants a slice of the action.
cloverleaf
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What little Ive seen they keep making the 7Mag cause it works well. The other iterations are marketing. CL
filmjunkie4ever
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My friend basically I look at my tool box...now we all could get by with a hammer, saw, and crescent wrench for sure but a tool box full of tools makes a lot of jobs easier and its fun to assemble and keep up.
In the same way we all could get by with a 22 L.R., a 30-06, and a 12 gauge but its more fun to have several different ones to choose from for varying different tasks and to assemble, customize, and keep up.
As Elkman put it, we really havent had a new idea since the 1960's...its all about appealing the different wants and needs of the shooting public. And if it gets more rifles out into the hands of the public, I am all for it!
In the same way we all could get by with a 22 L.R., a 30-06, and a 12 gauge but its more fun to have several different ones to choose from for varying different tasks and to assemble, customize, and keep up.
As Elkman put it, we really havent had a new idea since the 1960's...its all about appealing the different wants and needs of the shooting public. And if it gets more rifles out into the hands of the public, I am all for it!
I used the 7mmRM for many years and killed lots of deer and elk until I read how much better the larger guns were. It seemed to me they killed everything I shot in short order, but can you imagine the embarrassment a 6 point bull would have being shot with such a cartridge! I might just dig one of them out of my gun cabinet again but the 300's would kick the door open to get out.
Guy Miner
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7's ? Heck, look at all the doggone .30's:
.30 carbine, .30-30 Win, .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30 TC, .30-06, .300 WSM, .300 Win mag, .300 H&H mag, .300 Wby mag, .308 Norma Mag, .300 RSAUM, .300 RUM, .30-378 Weatherby... There's a whole lot of overlap in that .300 mag category too.
Heck, I've likely neglected a few along the way... At one point or another I've owned quite a few from that list of .30 cal rifles...
Am thinking that the guys are right - as long as shooters/hunters are willing to buy them, the firearms companies will keep making new versions.
There are some interesting benefits from some of the newer cases, thinking here mostly of the WSM and similar short/fat cases with sharply angled shoulders. Lots of power in a compact & efficient package, no belt to mess with (not that it's a real problem) and from what I've seen with the .300 WSM, not much case neck stretching.
Also the .300 RUM and the others in that family, are about as big a cartridge as can be worked through the magazine and action of a Rem 700.
Interesting stuff - but do we "need" them? Heck no. Somebody pointed out that we could likely do it all with a .22 rimfire, .30-06 and a 12 gauge. Yup, I think that would take care of most situations in North America.
FWIW, Guy
.30 carbine, .30-30 Win, .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30 TC, .30-06, .300 WSM, .300 Win mag, .300 H&H mag, .300 Wby mag, .308 Norma Mag, .300 RSAUM, .300 RUM, .30-378 Weatherby... There's a whole lot of overlap in that .300 mag category too.
Heck, I've likely neglected a few along the way... At one point or another I've owned quite a few from that list of .30 cal rifles...
Am thinking that the guys are right - as long as shooters/hunters are willing to buy them, the firearms companies will keep making new versions.
There are some interesting benefits from some of the newer cases, thinking here mostly of the WSM and similar short/fat cases with sharply angled shoulders. Lots of power in a compact & efficient package, no belt to mess with (not that it's a real problem) and from what I've seen with the .300 WSM, not much case neck stretching.
Also the .300 RUM and the others in that family, are about as big a cartridge as can be worked through the magazine and action of a Rem 700.
Interesting stuff - but do we "need" them? Heck no. Somebody pointed out that we could likely do it all with a .22 rimfire, .30-06 and a 12 gauge. Yup, I think that would take care of most situations in North America.
FWIW, Guy
joelkdouglas
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filmjunkie4ever":3f5z9p2i said:
That's just what I have.
Plus a blackpowder rifle because rifle tags are sometimes darn difficult to get.
DrMike
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.30 BR, .30 Borchard, .30 Flanged Nitro Express Purdey, .30 Gibbs, .30 Herrett, .30 Newton, .300 Dakota, .300 Imperial Magnum, 7.82 Warbird, etc. Kurt, we've only begun to play.
wildgene
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efw":31lmdirz said:
..."cool" is the .358 Norma Mag...
DrMike
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Yeah, try going off a 64-year-old memory!
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nvbroncrider
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It was interesting to see everyone's opinion but like the old saying goes "money talks." It's no different than anything else in the world driven by a percived demand that is created by differentation in the market place. And someones percived thought that they need something new and better and a way to make another buck. It is why our economy is the way it is because "someone" is trying to always make another dollar. That is why a lot of companies are outsourcing overseas and one reason why it is important for Americans to support American made products such as Nosler bullets which are produced in the U.S.A. (When is the last time you picked up a package and saw made in U.S.A.?) It helps all of us out. Not just Nosler. It comes back full circle to us the American.
Oldtrader3
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I actually seek out and buy American, especially hardware and tools if at all possible. I try very hard not to buy any durable goods made in China. Of course it is sometimes impossible to not buy Chinese products but I make a sincere effort not to.
filmjunkie4ever
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We have all got to do that gentlemen, its the right thing to do. And frankly until the corporations bring those jobs back home, we are not going to be able to create the jobs on the scale that we need to as fast as we need to. Now I don't want to hijack this forum by turning it into a political debate but I respect all of you very much for choosing to buy American and support the American economy by doing so.
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DrMike":mjgbg1ck said:
You both are a couple of spike horns. :mrgreen:
Good thinking young bucks I might add, 'cause I thought you both added nicely to Guy's list that I thought was covered well.
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