wisconsinteacher
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Taking a front on shot at a deer with a 150 grain Btip going 3050/3150 fps? Would you take this shot at ranges from 20-100 yards?
Would you fear???
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ElmerThud
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Nope... wouldn't fear it, - but I wouldn't enjoy the clean up to tidy out the venison afterwards.
Guy Miner
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No - I've shot several deer and a couple of pronghorn with the 115 gr B-Tip @ 3120 fps from my .25-06 rifle. Put it in the ribcage, expect a quick kill and a pass-through.
I do prefer the 165's in .30 cal anymore though. Took a small whitetail buck at under 100 yds with the 165 @ 2750 fps from my .308 Win (might have been the 2800 fps version of that load) and got an instant kill and an impressive exit wound.
Shooting them in the rib cage typically ruins very little meat for me.
Regards, Guy
I do prefer the 165's in .30 cal anymore though. Took a small whitetail buck at under 100 yds with the 165 @ 2750 fps from my .308 Win (might have been the 2800 fps version of that load) and got an instant kill and an impressive exit wound.
Shooting them in the rib cage typically ruins very little meat for me.
Regards, Guy
DrMike
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Taken more than a few with 140 grain Cup and Core bullets at up to 200 yards from my .280.
cloverleaf
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No problem with that shot. I keep coming back to the idea that we have an obligation to put an animal down (no- kill it) as quickly as possible. A BT may make a mess of things at close range (although that has not been my experience) but it still has the best chance of killing that animal immediately. My opinion. Seen plenty deer run away at those ranges with a hole in each side, from a 12 ga slug. I want that bullet to come apart and do as much damage in as many vital places as possible. I know that's not the current school of thought but that's mine, Deer are tough, but they are not armor plated. CL
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Without hesitation, I would take the shot.
I have taken quite a few deer with the 7mm 140 gr BT from a 280 Rem, including the shot
angle you are asking about. It will drop a deer in its tracks. If you hit the shoulder, it will be totally destroyed.
Here is an exit from a crop damage deer that Sue shot last weekend with her 280AI at 250 yds. The 7mm 140 gr BT MV is 3180 fps.
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I have taken quite a few deer with the 7mm 140 gr BT from a 280 Rem, including the shot
angle you are asking about. It will drop a deer in its tracks. If you hit the shoulder, it will be totally destroyed.
Here is an exit from a crop damage deer that Sue shot last weekend with her 280AI at 250 yds. The 7mm 140 gr BT MV is 3180 fps.
JD338
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bbearhntr
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150 g BT @ 3100fps= DEAD deer what's to fear?
I shot a doe with a 115 BT from my .257 WBY @ 40 yds (3400 fps) with that angle. I found parts of the bullet in the rear hip. Deer reared up on her hind legs like a horse then face planted in the dirt. A BT into the chest from any angle kills deer in a hurry from my experiences.
I shot a doe with a 115 BT from my .257 WBY @ 40 yds (3400 fps) with that angle. I found parts of the bullet in the rear hip. Deer reared up on her hind legs like a horse then face planted in the dirt. A BT into the chest from any angle kills deer in a hurry from my experiences.
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I probably would.
A quartering away? Absolutely not.
A quartering away? Absolutely not.
Guy Miner
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The BT's do expand quickly, but really, there's not even all that much lead left in the new ones. Lots of sturdy jacket material.
They work well.
Guy
They work well.
Guy
longrangehunter
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I've put .284 and .308 NBT's into deer sized game from both ends without any issues that traveled the entire length of the animal. A Black Buck took a 150/.284 BT just below its balls while running at 350 yards at the Y.O. Ranch and was found between the muscle and skin in perfect shape. A big Northern WT took one from an '06 in the chest and travel full length to its inner tender loins. Neither one of those took another shot to expire. Same for more then a few Hogs that didn't belong amongst the living creatures for that given area. Why Ranchers don't just let them be hunted for free is beyond me, but having just anybody on your property is understandable.
pre6422hornet
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I shot a Missouri 300 pound whitetail in 2011 from a distance of maybe 20 yards completely facing me. Load was a 130gr Partition around 3000 FPS. At the shot the buck rocked back on its haunches and fell over.
Upon skinning and butchering I never found the Partition even though there was no exit wound. The lungs and heart were dang near mush. I imagine the nose completely disintegrated and the base expanded/tore/ripped to darn near nothing. Complete energy transfer.
I would have no problems.
Upon skinning and butchering I never found the Partition even though there was no exit wound. The lungs and heart were dang near mush. I imagine the nose completely disintegrated and the base expanded/tore/ripped to darn near nothing. Complete energy transfer.
I would have no problems.
I used to think that the BT line was ment for coyotes and varmits. I had my eyes opened a little when I was playing with the 120 BT and 140 Bt in my 280 AI and 7-08.
I shot the 120 Bt out of the 7-08 and it took several mule deer, all clean one shot kills that were quite impressive.
I used the 120 Bt as a training load for my wife in my 280 AI. Grabbed that rifle on a short notice black bear hunt a few years ago. I had no intention of shooting a bear, but was backing up a buddy with a 338 WM. A nice bear ran out of the bushes and my buddy was hesitating a little to long so I let her have it. I'm still not sure where the first shot hit, but it flat stoned her. After sitting there for a bit staggering around she took off again. My buddy missed her, I hit her again. She turned and ran towards some bushes. He managed to get a round into her right before she hit the cover. We waited an hour and went in after her. The brush was really thick, and I have never felt so under gunned in my life. Finally located her sitting behind a big rock...10 yards away. Smoked her with a final 120 BT. Not the perfect hunt, but was pretty impressed none the less.
I also watched my dad smoke a nice 5x6 bull elk with a 140 BT out of my 280 AI. 200 yard bang flop through the shoulder.
They are tougher than they get credit for.
I shot the 120 Bt out of the 7-08 and it took several mule deer, all clean one shot kills that were quite impressive.
I used the 120 Bt as a training load for my wife in my 280 AI. Grabbed that rifle on a short notice black bear hunt a few years ago. I had no intention of shooting a bear, but was backing up a buddy with a 338 WM. A nice bear ran out of the bushes and my buddy was hesitating a little to long so I let her have it. I'm still not sure where the first shot hit, but it flat stoned her. After sitting there for a bit staggering around she took off again. My buddy missed her, I hit her again. She turned and ran towards some bushes. He managed to get a round into her right before she hit the cover. We waited an hour and went in after her. The brush was really thick, and I have never felt so under gunned in my life. Finally located her sitting behind a big rock...10 yards away. Smoked her with a final 120 BT. Not the perfect hunt, but was pretty impressed none the less.
I also watched my dad smoke a nice 5x6 bull elk with a 140 BT out of my 280 AI. 200 yard bang flop through the shoulder.
They are tougher than they get credit for.
Bruce Mc
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The only thing I would fear would be the field dressing job afterward because that bullet is going stem to stern unless you shoot high into the spinal area.
Bruce Mc":1oc2s407 said:
Ya got that right right Bruce. Been there done that. When a bullet goes thru the gut sac,what a stinky mess. Unless I was pretty hungry I would wait for the deer to turn or take a neck shot. The bullet weight or velocity or type would not be my deciding factor.
