300gr Speer - 45-70

• Sep 24, 2011

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Here are some pictures of the magnificent Speer 300gr 45-70 bullet. I can't say enough good about this bullet guys. It really is a true sleeper for us 450 Marlin and 45-70 shooters. It is probably just about the least expensive .458 "premium" bullet around. It costs around $22 for 50 of them and they are a bargain in my eyes. This bullet weighs 263gr's. It comes out of the muzzle of my 45-70 around 2300 FPS. I wished I had the group that was shot with these last weekend, but I would guess 3 shots would be covered with a nickel and easily by a quarter. They are just a great bullet and in lieu of Nosler every putting out a proper 45-70 bullet that will hold up to higher speeds and bones, this bullet will! I have seen a few others recovered from game the size of elk (pictures) and they look about the same. I have enough loaded up right now to carry me through deer season I believe, but I wouldn't expect to ever recover one of them in a deer. I think it would take a full end to end shot to even dream of catching one. They expand really nicely and it seems like the lead is bonded to the jacket pretty well. Again, I am very impressed with them. Oh, I forgot to mention, this was found on the table between the 6th and 7th jug. Scotty











Here is the video.

http://youtu.be/4oRFyyqz0a0

 

• Sep 24, 2011

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That Speer .458 300 gr is a tough bullet.

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• Sep 24, 2011

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JD338":asoqv9b4 said:

That Speer .458 300 gr is a tough bullet.

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Jim, check out the video I just put up there. It moves some jugs. Scotty

 

• Sep 24, 2011

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Some guys have shot moose with them and were quite happy now we know why. Looks like Speer built themselves a great bullet there, thanks for sharing your results Scotty. Just had a thought could you imagine what a 400 gr UniCor bullet would do?

 

• Sep 24, 2011

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gerry":5qqcobuu said:

Some guys have shot moose with them and were quite happy now we know why. Looks like Speer built themselves a great bullet there, thanks for sharing your results Scotty. Just had a thought could you imagine what a 400 gr UniCor bullet would do?

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Gerry, I would have no issues tackling moose or elk with this bullet. Speers 350 is supposed to be a tough bullet as well. A 400gr UniCor would be a beast. Probably make good bear rounds at around 1900. Scotty

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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Has Speer released, or plan to, a Deep Curl version for anything in .458?

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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CatskillCrawler":7ylrqyle said:

Has Speer released, or plan to, a Deep Curl version for anything in .458?

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Not that I know of. I kinda hope they don't change anything about that bullet. I'm not sure they would gain too awfully much anyhow. Scotty

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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I thought this bullet is made exactly the same way as the Deep Curl bullets so any changes would be in name only to create a line up of bullets

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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gerry":3klgyk6b said:

I thought this bullet is made exactly the same way as the Deep Curl bullets so any changes would be in name only to create a line up of bullets

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Could be? I think it is the same exact bullet used in Federal Fusion loads which are supposed to be the same as Deep Curls. Again, this is all here say and such. I really haven't seen anything written solidly down. Scotty

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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The only difference I am aware of is the Fusion is a boat tail and the Deep Curl is a flat base. Could be wrong though it has happened before

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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Could be? Again, you could hold what I know in the palm of a babies hand! :lol: I do know I like this Speer and will order a bunch of them the next time I can. They are good for the 45-70. Scotty

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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Yup the 350 Speer is made with the 458 Win mag in mind.


Scotty what was retained weight man?

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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It weighs 263gr's Fotis. It is an impressive bullet. I hear some folks say it is actually tougher than the 350 being that it is more of a bonded bullet. Either way, I would bet it would work great on just about anything most would use a 45-70 for. Scotty

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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Good information, Scotty. That is, indeed, a tough bullet. It would do very well on large North American game.

 

• Sep 25, 2011

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Impressive for sure. If you tried that with a 300 gr Hornady it would have been in pieces. They have to be doing something to these suckers.

 

• Sep 27, 2011

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DrMike":32qqn3x5 said:

Good information, Scotty. That is, indeed, a tough bullet. It would do very well on large North American game.

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It would be a sweet bullet for you to start with in your 1886 45-70 Mike! Heck, I even have plenty of load data to get you started out! Scotty

 

• Oct 10, 2011

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Scott....what was your load?

 

• Oct 10, 2011

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Winchester cases, CCIBR2's, 59grs of H4198 and the 300gr Speer. Crimp with the Lee FCD. Runs about 2300 outta my rifle. Scotty

 

• Oct 10, 2011

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DrMike":18etqzae said:

Good information, Scotty. That is, indeed, a tough bullet. It would do very well on large North American game.

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It would be a sweet bullet for you to start with in your 1886 45-70 Mike! Heck, I even have plenty of load data to get you started out! Scotty

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Mike,

When you get your 1895 45-70, you can do a bullet test on a moose. :mrgreen:

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• Oct 10, 2011

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Scotty, I am using the Speer Hot Cor jacketed bullets as well but I have the 350 gr flat nosed bullets for my .45-70 at about 2150 fps with IMR 3031. Lots of horsepower there.