165 gr. or 180 gr. partition for deer and elk?

[Mr Dean]

the powders i currently have in 8lb are rl22 , h-4831 and h-4350
are they listed??

H4831:
180gr - 60.0 grains @ 2798 fps
200gr - 59.0 grains @2656 fps

RL22:
180gr - 62.0 grains @2985 fps
200gr - 59.5 grains @2768 fps

Doesn't list H4350, Only IMR

IMR4350:
180gr - 56.5 grains @2835 fps
200gr - 55.5 grains @2651 fps

Good luck on your 'serious shooting' quest!

 

[rem'06]

thanks again,now to the first question? leaning back to the 200gr! data is rl-22 nombers. is that the highest velocity powder listed for the 200?

180gr .308
Calculated Table
Elevation: 5.055 moa
Azimuth: 0.000 moa

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Drop Windage Lead Time
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (lbs-sec) (moa) (moa) (moa) (sec)
100 2714.6 2945.2 2.17 7.7 0.0 0.0 0.107
200 2535.8 2570.0 2.03 -0.0 0.0 0.0 0.221
300 2364.6 2234.6 1.89 -3.1 0.0 0.0 0.344
400 2200.5 1935.3 1.76 -6.1 0.0 0.0 0.475
500 2042.3 1667.0 1.63 -9.3 0.0 0.0 0.617
600 1891.0 1429.1 1.51 -12.8 0.0 0.0 0.770
700 1747.4 1220.3 1.40 -16.6 0.0 0.0 0.935
800 1612.1 1038.6 1.29 -21.0 0.0 0.0 1.114
900 1486.0 882.5 1.19 -25.8 0.0 0.0 1.308
1000 1371.0 751.2 1.10 -31.2 0.0 0.0 1.518

200gr .308
Calculated Table
Elevation: 5.410 moa
Azimuth: 0.000 moa

Range Velocity Energy Momentum Drop Windage Lead Time
(yards) (ft/sec) (ft-lbs) (lbs-sec) (moa) (moa) (moa) (sec)
100 2616.5 3040.2 2.32 8.5 0.0 0.0 0.111
200 2465.5 2699.3 2.19 -0.0 0.0 0.0 0.230
300 2320.0 2390.2 2.06 -3.3 0.0 0.0 0.355
400 2179.6 2109.7 1.94 -6.4 0.0 0.0 0.488
500 2043.5 1854.4 1.81 -9.7 0.0 0.0 0.631
600 1912.5 1624.3 1.70 -13.3 0.0 0.0 0.783
700 1787.3 1418.5 1.59 -17.2 0.0 0.0 0.945
800 1668.0 1235.6 1.48 -21.4 0.0 0.0 1.119
900 1555.2 1074.0 1.38 -26.1 0.0 0.0 1.305
1000 1449.9 933.5 1.29 -31.3 0.0 0.0 1.505

 

[Mr Dean]

rl-22 nombers. is that the highest velocity powder listed for the 200?

Short and simple....Yes. and that charge was the most accurate for powder type as well.
Minus 2 grains-= 100 fps (2670)

FYI: The 180gr/RL22 load is the highest velocity load also.
Again minus 2 grains=100 fps (2881)

 

[roysclockgun]

I too have been made a believer in the AccuBond. I chose the 140gr bullet for my handloads in my 7mmRemMag, 26" bbl, Browning B78 single shot rilfe. This for a long range deer cartridge, after testing five other bullets for accuracy at the range. Long range for me, is anything beyond 300 yards, maxing out at 450 yards. The 250 lb muley that I scoped through the range finder was at 408 yds. The 140gr AccuBond bullet took him a little low in the heart/lung area. He let me know that he was hit hard by humping up, before walking over the ridge for 75 yards, before going down. After getting over there, I needed a coup-de-grace shot to prevent him from attempting to rise. I believe that the reason that he was not dead when I got to him, was my fault, in placing the first bullet too low. I also believe that I am getting the same killing power from the 140gr AccuBond that I used to get from 175gr older designed bullets. This, because of increased MV, which also translates in to a flatter trajectory and less worry over bullet drop within the parameters of my range limits. And maybe of even more importance, weight retention. On the same trip, this past Oct. I took a pronghorn at 275 yds. with the same load. This animal, unlike the muley, had an exit wound and went down immediately. The heart was shattered. The AccuBond proved to be the most accurate bullet in both of my 7mm rifles and I will continue to use the load that I worked up.
I welcome comments on another bullet that may prove to be more effective for the type of hunting that I have described.

 

[canoeblderinmt]

There has been some mention of this scattered throughout the posts, mostly by nosler, but I think this is a critical piece when trying to settle on "one" bullet. I spent considerable time working up loads this season for my M-1 Garand and my cousin's Rem 700 30.06. What a difference I found in group sizes given different powders, charge weights, and bullet weights and types! Raising the powder a half grain on some combos opened the group over 3" at 100. My vote goes to the bullet OVER 150 grs that SHOOTS BEST IN YOUR GUN. You didn't mention what ranges you typically shoot, but a 3" group at 100 yds means that you probably miss or gut shoot an animal at 300. Find the load that works well, place your shots and enjoy the venison steaks!

Greg

 

[moreloader]

I agree with the previous post. Pick the load that shoots best for you. The truth is any Nosler bullet 165g and above will drop Elk at any range. The real variable is where does the bullet hit. If you make a habit of end to end shots, which should never be considered ethical, pick the biggest Partition you can load. However, the accuracy is seldom as good as a BT or AB. So it is always your choice. The death of an animal is the result of where the bullet hits, and the bullet should not have to make up for a bad shot.

Pick the one that shoots and shoot often with it to gain confidence. Remember, a 22 in the eye will beat a 458 in the tail.

good fortune to your hunt and merry christmas

 

[rem'06]

canoeblderinmt; this weekend installed a new 3x9 vx-2 on my wifes .243.using 95gr NPT and H-4350. 41.3g to 41.6g had a 6 3/4" spread at 200yds,does this mean it is a bad combo? try the laddertest.

moreloader; at any range? i think not! is this not why this post is here?how much "energy" needs to be there to drop a deer or elk clean ethically?

mr dean; shooting 175SMK (cheeper than AB for velocities) cronied at 3073 w/ H-4350 full case and first hint of pressure at 61gr. 190's with slower powder next week...happy holidays!

 

[roysclockgun]

cdl06 had the question: "I would like to focus on a single bullet for deer and elk. Is the 165 gr. Partition up to the task or is it too light for elk? Is the 180 too much for deer?"

The short answer is; go with the heaviest premium bullet that provides the acceptable trajectory and acceptable groups at the range. You may never need the heavier bullet to kill a big bull elk, but then again, it is always better to be prepared and not need it, then to need it and not be prepared. As far a deer goes, anything that will kill elk will for sure kill deer, but not visa versa, so work up the elk load and use same on deer as well. I have heard the complaint about "too much meat loss". There are several items that I consider, before I worry about meat loss. Things like: proper bullet placement, expansion, penetration, wide wound channel and the ability of the bullet to keep doing damage even after encountering bone. Therefore, for one load for all deer, to include elk and moose, use the 180gr. For my 30-06 M70 Win., in the past, I loaded the 180gr Nosler Partition, pushed by 61gr of RL22 and was getting an MV 10ft from the muzzle, of 2870 fps. I believe that this cartridge would be more then adequate on a large bull and did take down a number of whitetail deer. Since then, I have used the AccuBond bullet in my 7mmRemMag and have become a strong believer in the performance of that bullet. Were I again to load 30-06 for elk and deer, I'd use the AccuBond bullet.