22-250 / 25-06 / 300 Win Mag range results

SJB358

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Well, my partner and I just came back from the range. It was a balmy 29 degrees here. Not as cold as some others, but it was a little cold for really good range shooting conditions. I took my 25-06, 22-250 and 45-70. I had some 350gr Hornady FP's loaded with H4198. I only shot 4 of them, and since they were about 9" low, I didn't have anything to take pictures. They did chrono at 2025 AVG with 52gr of H4198. I have some other loads and will mess with them later on in the Spring or something!

The good thing was I found two good shooting 60gr PT loads for my 22-250. They really show alot of promise with H4895 and RL15. Here are some targets.

34gr RL15 (3456, 3420, 3440)
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35gr RL15 (3487, 3502, 3486)
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34gr H4895 (3632, 3640, 3610, 3599)
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35gr H4895 (3745, 3721, 3717, 3732)
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RL15 at 35gr's looks really good as does 34gr's of H4895. I am pretty sure I will go with the RL15 and load a bunch for coyotes. 3500 is pretty quick and seems to be pretty accurate for yotes. H4895 looks great for speed though. Running out of time for load work, so I might mess with these more in the Spring. I did put the PT's .010" off the lands and that seems to really help accuracy alot.

The 25-06 shot about the same groups as previously done with the 59.5 and 60gr (Retumbo) loads at 3.250. I didn't take pictures of them again, but ran them across the chrono. The 59.5's ran 3101, 3084, 3097. The 60.0's ran 3236, 3213, 3222! Not sure how .5gr made so much difference. Maybe it is the anomaly Guy Miner was talking about. That is smoking and alot faster than Hodgdon states in their loads? Not sure what the deal was.

I also load some .010 off the lands, and they dropped to 3170, 3136, 3111 and 3159. The groups also opened up?

Here are the results of the 110gr AB's seated just off the lands. 58gr's were 3067, 3003, 3012. Groups were in the 3" range and the cases weren't sealing well at all. Same with 59gr's (3096, 3082, 3120). 60gr's netted me decent accuracy in the 2" range with great speed at 3194, 3161, and 3221? I am not sure if the rifle really likes AB's though. None of the groups were really great. I don't really care too much about the AB's as I would like to shoot the 115gr PT's anyhow.

The 300 Win Mag did okay with RL25. I loaded 76, 76.5 and 77 gr's and shot two groups of three with each load.

76gr's (2820 AVG)
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76.5's (2850 AVG)
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77gr's (2875 AVG)
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Nothing really great, about 1.25 for 76.5 and good speed. I think as the barrel breaks in, it will get better though. I am thinking maybe a primer change may assist also. Anyhow, it was a good day at the range, but I wanted to show you all the results. The 300 Win Mag is going to get better, this is only about the 40th round down the tube and needs a good cleaning. Wouldn't be surprised with a solid MOA shooter and over 2900 with some more load work with the PT's. Scotty
 
[quote="beretzsThe 25-06 shot about the same groups as previously done with the 59.5 and 60gr (Retumbo) loads at 3.250. I didn't take pictures of them again, but ran them across the chrono. The 59.5's ran 3101, 3084, 3097. The 60.0's ran 3236, 3213, 3222! Not sure how .5gr made so much difference. Maybe it is the anomaly Guy Miner was talking about. That is smoking and alot faster than Hodgdon states in their loads? Not sure what the deal was.


beretzs,
I have noticed an increase previously just as you have described above where a 1/2-1 gr. change in powder made a 100 fps difference where most .5 gr increments were resulting in 25-50 fps or so, depending on rifle and load. My gut instinct is that a pressure spike has been reached, and that is why the sudden increase and it might be a time to back off that load as it I feel might be maximum and too hot for the application stated even if the usual pressure signs are not showing. That is just my thinking on this, and I am not an expert. Maybe some of the Nosler experts can answer that one for us, or at least tell us if my theory is correct. Good luck with your load work. I guess I am going to have to break down and try some Retumbo or R22 or some of those in my wife's 25-06, but with its 22' barrel, I might be better served with my plain old IMR4350 and H4831SC.
David
 
I found the same when working with Retumbo with my 264 Win mag. With 130 Nos. AB. Hodgdon online data gave 67.5 grs as max with 129 gr bullet so I was working up. 66 grs was getting average 3150 fps and no signs what so ever of pressure but groups were around 1 1/2" at 100. Went to 67 grs and and only fired 2 rounds because of high pressure that left ejector marks on the base of the case and had sticky bolt lift and the velocity jumped up to a touch over 3400 fps. I dropped back to 66.5 grs and BINGO. No pressure signs and groups were averaging 1/2" and velocity was averaging 3350 fps. This is from a Rem 700 with a Shilen CM #5 27 3/4" barrel. WW cases reformed from 7mm Rem Mag, CCI 250, 130 AB 10 thousands off the lands. This load has smoked 5 deer DRT in the past two seasons.
 
Scotty,

The RL15 in the 22-250 is looking good. There is nothing wrong with that data.

1Shot,

That is why each rifle must be treated as the unique weapon it is. Every load must be worked up from a safe minimum. Yours is a great illustration of this truth.
 
Scotty,

Nice whooting with the 22-250. I will have to dig out my test data fir the 60 gr PT and RL 15.

Don't give up on the 25-06, you will hit the jack pot, stay with it.

What bullet are you shooting with the 300 Win Mag, 200 gr AB?

JD338
 
It is the 200gr PT.

Not giving up on the 25-06 at all. It is shooting very decent at MOA or so. I think I am due to switch up powders. It doesn't seem to be really clicking with Retumbo until you get to about max. At least for my rifle.

The 22-250 is really shooting the 60gr PT's though. I would try both 4895 and RL15. Seems both of them could do very well and the speed outta 4895 is incredible. That would smoke coyotes! Scotty
 
Scotty - are those .300 mag groups all three-shot groups?

Reason I ask is that a couple of the bullet holes look like either two hits, or the bullet may be going a little bit sideways when it impacts.

On the other hand, the groups look decent, and it could just be the way the photo looks.

Guy
 
Regarding the .45/70 - I think you're going to like that 350 Hornady/H4198 combo... It's a good one.

Guy
 
On the .22-250 - you've got some work to do if you want to catch up with my 80+ year old Dad. :grin: He sent me this a couple of years ago. I'm jealous - it's from a factory Remington 700:

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Man, that is great shooting from your Dad Guy!

The 45-70 is the Hornady/4198. Seems like they have alot of promise also. Can't wait to finish shooting them.

All the 300WM groups are three shots. They seemed straight and not oblong. Just not sure what is going to tighten them up. Might take them out to 200 and see what they do!

Tell me what kind of speed you were getting from your 60.0 Retumbo and 115gr BT Guy. Seems like there are 0 pressure signs, but velocity is very high? Bolt lift is really easy, and the primers look good, except for the cratering, which is present on everything! Scotty
 
Jim, I just loaded up some more 60gr PT's over 35gr's of RL15. I am getting about 2.455" COAL avg measuring base to tip. I have been measuring off the ogive, but I wanted to give you my length so you have something to work with.

I am kinda bummed as I bent the decapping rod assembly for my Redding 25-06 resizing die. I received my 200, 115gr PT's in the mail today and have some 100gr BT's to try that (Mark) Powerstroke sent to me. Hoping to find a decent load before I head North in a few weeks. God forbid I have to use factory loads for this rifle!!!!! Scotty
 
Scotty,

You would consider the ultimate blasphemy of contaminating that new rifle with factory ammunition? :shock: Horrors!
 
This rifle is already tainted with Remington 100gr shells. I had to try something for the test after I floated the barrel. I am not too worried about, but I will say, this 25-06 is THE pickiest rifle I have ever loaded for. Remington is REALLY on their game nowadays fellas!!

Either way, I am going to try some RL22/Hybrid 100V/H4831 with the 25-06 shortly. Just need to get the new resizing die. I think a slower powder will really help it out. Scotty
 
Scotty

I will give RL 15 another try with the 60 gr PT I had my COL at 2.409" so I will get them a litle closer to the lands.

JD338
 
I hope it works out Jim. I loaded 16 more of them up in order to final BZO and take it out to 400 and see what they do at that range. Scotty
 
Loads that have worked well only in the 300 Win:
208 Amax 75gr RL-25, win brass prep 215M, Rifles: Savage and Styer
200gr AccuBond, RL-25 @ 75gr, win brass prep, 215M, Rifles: Rem and Styer
200gr SMK and SGK, RL-25 @76.5, win brass prep. 215M, Rifles: 1903 re-chambered, Savage accutrigger, Styer
The loads listed above need to be worked up to for All rifles are different. These loads all shot a 3 shot group of a nickle or less.....
 
All that work on the 22-250 for nothing. I just got the new Hodgdon manual. How does over 3700 fps with 60 gr V-max sound to you? The new Superformance powder is supposed to get you there. Sounds like it is back to the drawing board for the 22-250. :mrgreen:
 
1shot, H4895 will do over 3700 also. I wonder how the new powder would work out? That does sound like it would be an awesome load though. 34gr of H4895 got me in high 3600's and 35gr was 3720's or so. 34gr shot better, but still not as good as RL15. Again, I am not finished, just need a load for hunting. Got till the end of my life to figure this out! Scotty
 
From a while back I had lots of 40 grain BT's. With H4895 I drive them at 4150 fps and they shoot great.

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